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The entire "downgrade for downgrade's sake" was revolving solely around that Atlantis sinking thing you were talking about. Never in my mind did I ever even intend to use it for Bio Manip because the two were unrelated, and still are.You are literally the one that brought it up here. I was just responding to the accusation of a "downgrade for downgrade's sake" being pretty silly given you agreed the existing justification is bad and have now agreed that the first proposed replacement is bad.
Now can we please stop clogging the thread with what's already been discussed on the other thread?