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  1. Deagonx

    DMC Ability Removals [Part 2]

    If affecting the avatars doesn't affect the main abstraction and the only way to have an effect is to target the abstraction itself it's type 1. If affecting the avatars directly affects the abstraction its type 2.
  2. Deagonx

    DMC Ability Removals [Part 2]

    It would if you could accomplish this without literally killing them. Otherwise no. Yes. In this case, Soul Manip is not resulting in Empathic Manip.
  3. Deagonx

    DMC Ability Removals [Part 2]

    It isn't the only thing that matters. You're being obtuse. If you can't actually influence emotions you won't get the ability. Destroying the container for them is irrelevant here, it doesn't meet any of the criteria for the ability. You need to be able to control what emotions people are...
  4. Deagonx

    Bill Cipher HDE?

    I have some concerns about the 12-D Gravity Falls thing in general but that would need to be a different thread. As is, with what's currently been accepted, this should be fine to add.
  5. Deagonx

    DMC Ability Removals [Part 2]

    It does. We aren't giving anyone Empathic manip if they can't literally influencing living beings' emotions directly. Just destroying the thing with the emotions inside doesn't matter.
  6. Deagonx

    DMC Ability Removals [Part 2]

    You've misunderstood me. I'm not say Energy-Matter Manipulator might have Empathic Manip because brains might contain emotions. I am saying that even if we knew concretely (as we do in the real world) that emotions are physical properties of the brain, that would not automatically mean that...
  7. Deagonx

    DMC Ability Removals [Part 2]

    No, it doesn't work that way. For instance, let's say there's a character named "the Energy/Matter Manipulator" and he has Matter Manip and Energy Manip. Does he have Empathic Manip since our emotions are just the physical/electrical synpases in our brain? Does he have Illusion Creation because...
  8. Deagonx

    DMC Ability Removals [Part 2]

    I'm aware, I am not denying that these things would be caught up in the mix in some way or another, but when we say a character has (X Manip) they need to be able to directly manipulate it. If some can use their bio manip to destroy someone's brain, that isn't empathic manip. They can't actually...
  9. Deagonx

    DMC Ability Removals [Part 2]

    @Catzlaflame @Maverick_Zero_X @Tllmbrg @Planck69 @SuperSonicTL @Armorchompy @Tony_di_bugalu @Random-Helper323 @Abstractions You all participated in the last thread. Feel free to look at this one too, if you'd like.
  10. Deagonx

    DMC Ability Removals [Part 2]

    This is more stuff from the Demon Physiology page. This one is meant to be fairly simple. The intro section provides scans to establish that various things are part of the soul like emotions, power, life energy, etc. It draws this conclusion: Souls This is specious reasoning. The fact that the...
  11. Deagonx

    DMC Ability Removals [Part 1]

    Given the unanimous staff agreement and that we're past grace, I will close this and apply the changes.
  12. Deagonx

    Vs battles wiki pet peeves

    "The Greatest Generation" is widely held to be their best album. My favorites from them are "Cigarettes & Saints" "There, There" "I Don't Like Who I Was Then" and "Low Tide." In other news, I got a guitar pick from the singer today, so that was sick. EDIT: Widely, not 'wildly'
  13. Deagonx

    DMC Ability Removals [Part 1]

    It doesn't target them. It's a power transformer for human souls. There were only two living things mentioned in that sequence, Dante and Beryl. Dante is a demon, Beryl is a human. Neither died. It's not clear it was supposed to kill them either, or if random wildlife or other humans would've...
  14. Deagonx

    Vs battles wiki pet peeves

    You don't really listen to TOOL. You experience it.
  15. Deagonx

    Vs battles wiki pet peeves

    I like them a lot. I grew up listening to a lot of pop punk/emo bands like Green Day or Fall Out Boy, but a lot of the lyrics in that genre are pretty juvenile (which is the appeal for some) The Wonder Years is a lot more mature and thoughtful, and their stuff really connects with me. I see...
  16. Deagonx

    DMC Ability Removals [Part 1]

    This is begging the question. The argument is that them being immune is merely a reference to the function of the Beastheads. However, several of these statements are prior to Chen and Dante's revelation that the Beastheads replenish demons rather than absorbing them. Again, three problems. 1)...
  17. Deagonx

    DMC Ability Removals [Part 1]

    This doesn't really read like corruption. More like necromancy because it seems Denvers got killed and then came back. In any case without more context it's not clear all demons can do this. That scan doesn't suggest all demons ignore gravity and physics. It doesn't specify what laws are being...
  18. Deagonx

    The Dread Tiering System Revisions

    What specifically would be included in the check list? I can put something together when I have time.
  19. Deagonx

    Vs battles wiki pet peeves

    Who is it? I don't recognize the character.
  20. Deagonx

    Vs battles wiki pet peeves

    Yeah I just like it. It was a decision made on a whim. At some point on Comicvine I thought "Okay I can't be pfp-less" so I went into my documents folder and that was the one that one that seemed functional.
  21. Deagonx

    DMC Ability Removals [Part 1]

    There's many more than are in this thread, but I am trying to limit how many I handle at once, since even relatively straightforward removals can become complicated if someone really wants to make an argument out of it.
  22. Deagonx

    Vs battles wiki pet peeves

    I've replaced it with a higher res version. It's my favorite band. I'll take it.
  23. Deagonx

    DMC Ability Removals [Part 1]

    This is for "Low Tier Demon Physiology" so this is the stuff that all demons are being claimed to have. We have to demonstrate that pretty much all demons can just straight up corrupt people. Scans that their world is corruptive don't suffice. Law Manip will be handled separately, I'm just...
  24. Deagonx

    The Great Sisyphean Quest to Downgrade God of War ⌈Part 6⌋

    Okay, so setting aside the guidebook canonicity matter for now, are you fine with these changes: 1) Clarifying the "on every hit" entries to reflect the chances 2) Removing Chaos Manip from the blades 3) Removing Dura Neg and Fire Manip from Light of Dawn, keeping Holy Manip for now 4) Removing...
  25. Deagonx

    DMC Ability Removals [Part 1]

    Slight correction, I got confused somewhere along the line I think due to the Beastheads scan. Resistance to Law Manip isn't being discussed here, it's Resistance to Physics Manip and Gravity Manip.
  26. Deagonx

    The Dread Tiering System Revisions

    Adding Chaos Manip to my Ultima profile.
  27. Deagonx

    DMC Ability Removals [Part 1]

    This is for removing the Supernatural Willpower entry. This isn't the reasoning that he is using. This isn't about demons having "Resistance to Corruption." This is about demons having the Corruption power themselves on the basis that the DW corrupts things. This is for removing "Resistance to...
  28. Deagonx

    The Great Sisyphean Quest to Downgrade God of War ⌈Part 6⌋

    Yes. A certain energy or substance being within a weapon doesn't grant it manipulation of that thing. When we give abilities based on equipment we are saying "by using this equipment, the character gains [X] ability." If I have a sword that is imbued with holy magic, and it has the special...
  29. Deagonx

    DMC Ability Removals [Part 1]

    I didn't miss it, I quoted it in the comment you are responding to. My stance remains unchanged, we know that the Beastheads do not work on Demons. There is no evidence that this is due to supernatural willpower instead of it just not being compatible with them, since it was designed to...
  30. Deagonx

    The Great Sisyphean Quest to Downgrade God of War ⌈Part 6⌋

    Do you have scans that show that the blades do this? If not, it's irrelevant.
  31. Deagonx

    DMC Ability Removals [Part 1]

    No, we would need an indication that (A) The Beastheads are actively trying to devour demons and (B) The reason that the Beastheads fail is that they have extraordinary will. We dont have enough information to reach that conclusion, it seems more likely that the Beastheads just arent targetting...
  32. Deagonx

    Vs battles wiki pet peeves

    I've never changed my PFP. This was also my PFP back on comicvine.
  33. Deagonx

    The Great Sisyphean Quest to Downgrade God of War ⌈Part 6⌋

    I don't know what you mean by "can revert others into herself naturally" but if you're saying the blades can revert things into chaos, we'd need a demonstrative feat. I'd rather not try to handle the "guidebook canonicity" can of worms here, so I'll just leave that for another thread. I'll...
  34. Deagonx

    DMC Ability Removals [Part 1]

    No. Once Chen and Dante realize the Beastheads eat humans and replenish demons, Chen remarks: "I should patent this. A process for transforming humans into a basic magical energy." If the Beastheads just aren't designed to devour demons or transform them into magical energy, they wouldn't need...
  35. Deagonx

    I Don't Agree with Bill Cipher's 1-B Scaling

    Every 2D side scroller has been fairly easy.
  36. Deagonx

    I Don't Agree with Bill Cipher's 1-B Scaling

    This seems counter intuitive.
  37. Deagonx

    DMC Ability Removals [Part 1]

    Hello. The Demon Physiology page for Devil May Cry includes a lot of rather strange abilities. I'll be going through this page and others in the verse over a period of time to remove the ones that are not appropriately justified. This is for the "Lower Tier Demons" section. Abilities Humans...
  38. Deagonx

    The Great Sisyphean Quest to Downgrade God of War ⌈Part 6⌋

    Simply having something is not the same as manipulating it. Sure, that is helpful for the GOW2 guide (well, Cory Barlog. At that time Eric Williams was just the combat systems designer), but no such acknowledgements are present in the Chains of Olympus guide, and Cory Barlog didn't even work...
  39. Deagonx

    The Great Sisyphean Quest to Downgrade God of War ⌈Part 6⌋

    They helped "bring it together." The exact nature of this is entirely unknown. This also isn't a databook, it's a game guide by a different company that makes many game guides for various companies. The writers work for a company called "Off Base Productions" and they only make game guides. You...
  40. Deagonx

    The Great Sisyphean Quest to Downgrade God of War ⌈Part 6⌋

    The back of the guide thanks Ready at Dawn for "for making a fantastic game and for all their help in bringing this guide together." Without knowing whether the actual writers were involved or what the nature of their involvement was, this doesn't seem substantive enough to call it secondary...
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