DOOM's Cosmology 7D upgrade

[XeisenbergNisa]

I believe that DOOM Cosmology would be at least 7-D, which Doomguy and Davoth scales to it.

Earth's Dimension/Universe (Low 2-C) 4D​

"The Icon’s presence warps reality, damaging the implicate order of our dimension merely by existing within it. . . Followed by a breakdown of spacetime around the planet. The resultant black hole will eventually drag our entire universe down, casting it into the mouth of Hell as conquest to be absorbed by the Dark Realm."​

"The Hellgrowth formations on Earth have undergone great scrutiny by experts at the Allied Nations. These cancer-like growths exhibit alarming cellular reproduction rates, outpacing any biological lifeform previously known. Their structural pattern is chaotic, almost random, with only one identifiable constant – the emergence of totem-like nests, which, at full maturity, resonate with powerful electromagnetic frequencies capable of producing a form of inverse quantum field. These fields, once activated, result in the fabrication of Hell portals; tears in space-time which serve as gateways between dimensions." - The Hellgrowth | Part 1​

Earth's Multiverse (Low 1-C) 5D​

The Multiverse/Mortal Realm contains Countless dimensions

"In doing so, the Priests would fulfill their black covenant for Hell was not alone in its conquest of Earth. The silent Maykrs, arbiters across countless dimensions, shared a pact with Hell, a calculated risk and a mutually fortuitous arrangement, for which Earth would serve as the bargaining chip"​

"Within the infinite conscious-matrix of the all-seeing Maykr God-mind, there exists every potentiality - every predictive variable of possible future timeline - each one known to the Maykr collective with omniscient, inextricable clarity. The God-mind surveys these timelines, watching them form and expand exponentially like fractal patterns in the fabric of existence"

Basically fractals are mathematical sets renowned for their "infinitely complex patterns that are self-similar across different scales". They can describe "processes in time" and appear in chaotic systems.

When timeline branching occurs like fractal patterns, it means the number of distinct realities generated is not merely a countable sequence (e.g., 1, 2, 3...), but rather a continuous, infinitely dense spectrum of possibilities. Just as there are uncountably infinite points on any continuous line segment (even an infinitesimally small one), a fractal branching process implies an uncountably infinite number of unique outcomes and, thus, uncountably infinite distinct timelines

This "continuous" infinity is precisely what is defined in set theory as the cardinality of the continuum, or Aleph-1 (ℵ1) because a 4-D spacetime continuum itself has uncountably infinite points along each of its dimensions (including time), the application of this fractal branching principle to such a continuum directly yields an uncountably infinite number of parallel 4-D timelines

The convergence of these points confirms that each dimension encompasses an uncountably infinite number of parallel 4-D realities/timelines now with VsBW's tiering standards, a structure containing an uncountably infinite collection of N-dimensional realities necessitates an (N+1) dimensional framework to contain or organize them. Therefore, Multiverse is justly scaled at Low 1-C (5-D)

For the fractile patterns, assuming irrational fractals, it would be an uncountable infinite number. Otherwise, it would just be supporting evidence of a quantum-based MWI, though even that would still be Low 1-C, assuming every separation is its own space-time.

This is already something accepted in previous thread made by user called Baldiback3162

The Urdak/Realm of Maykrs (1-C) 6D​

The Realm of the Maykrs is a higher-dimension composed of transcendent technology

It is not accessible to anyone, no human or Sentinel has ever set foot in their dimension.​

These same sentinels are able to traverse through space-time via Argent energy (4:34)

Urdak was also the original home of the Father, a Formless Primeval

Urdak is contained within an even bigger realm called The Holt

Hugo explains Urdak's higher-dimensional nature of the interdimensional highway, which allows demons to access all of the lower dimensions

Urdak being an inaccessible world to anyone, it's also a higher-dimension with higher-dimensional nature (1D+)

Hell/Jekkad higher layer into (1-C) 6D​

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Hell is beyond Urdak according to The Father

Both Hell and Urdak is higher layer of reality both planes of existence are fixed outside of the known universe

"BOUND BY THE FORCES OF CHAOS, Hell is unlimited by boundaries of space, time, or dimension. Hell is itself a living thing, an entity possessing certain undeniable sentience. An inverse image of the living world, Hell thrives on the destruction of life, and the greater the pain and suffering it inflicts into our world, the more powerful it becomes. For all of eternity, Hell has been ruled by an ancient order of evil: six sovereign chapters of"​

Hell is described to have a pan-dimensional existence

Impossible for humans to understand or comprehend it entirely.

Hell connects to worlds with pathways of darkness transcending space and time

Hell is described as a force beyond human comprehension

All of these explantations for Hell/Jekkad proves that iHell will eventually grow and destroy Urdak, it also has a superiority on Urdak (6D realm) but it's not a dimensional gap so it would be higher into 6D.

The Cosmic Realm (1-C) 7D​

Cosmic Realm is chilling reminder of dimensions that exists even beyond Hell. meaning it has a superiority on Hell.

"The Cosmic Realm is a dimension of unfathomable dread where reality warps and sanity falters. Ancient structures of impossible geometry rise from blackened seas, their surfaces pulsating with unholy runes. The skies churn with colors unknown, inhabited by titanic beings that defy comprehension."​

Cosmic Realm containing Ancient structures of impossible geometry supports the higher-dimensional status of Cosmic Realm. From a physics perspective, impossible geometry refers to shapes and structures that cannot be contained or understood within a lower-dimensional space our minds, for example, struggle to visualize a 4-D tesseract, which is a common example of impossible geometry in a 3-D world. In this context, the impossible geometry of the Cosmic Realm suggests it exists in a dimensional space that is dimensionally superior to 6-D Hell.

This means Cosmic Realm is dimensions beyond Hell and impossible geometry, meaning it's higher-dimensional compared to 6-D Hell which leads to 7-D scaling for Cosmic realm.

Doom Slayer and Davoth/Dark Lord would scale to all of these​

Doom Slayer defeated Dark Lord/Davoth

The Davoth is the creator of DOOM Cosmology

He was the primordial being of the Void

And capable of molding said Void into his creations

Hugo directly hints at all of creation and entire structure of Hell being an extension of Davoths power, even in his current state

Agree :​

Neutral :​

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Disagree :​

 

[KaramcaS]

I don't understand if the same person is opening different accounts

 

[Eseseso]

At this point we might need a discussion rule banning this stuff, the arguments are mostly the same every time.

 

[Gamecooob]

 

[Vietthai96]

Credits to https://fictional-indexing.fandom.c...de/iDverse_Cosmology_Redux#What_Will_Be_Used? for information.

Yike, like, this supposed "cosmology blog" is a cosmology that smashed 4 - 5 games into one cosmology, like, there are Quake scans, Commander Keen and...................wth is that red symbol verse??

Like, i never see stuff like the Black Sun Dimension, The Dreamlands in DOOM, lol

also the blog

Debunk 4 - VSBW Stuff​

Vs Battles Wiki says a lot of stupid shit on DOOM, but there is one argument in particular that I want to tear down. Some people have argued that Hell's "unlimited by the boundaries of time, space, or dimension" statement is just a fancy way of saying that Hell is infinite "spatially and temporally". This doesn't make any sense, as all universes in DOOM are already infinite-sized, and given these statements of Hell are essentially emphasizing how Hell is unique to every other realm, it would be incredibly strange for the verse to treat Hell specially this way and it should inherently mean something else. As for the "temporally" part, Hell is a timeless realm, as in time just doesn't exist there, so that doesn't work either.

Yike, lol

 

[Wonder_of_Fantasy]

At this point we might need a discussion rule banning this stuff, the arguments are mostly the same every time.

True

 

[Hayato5652]

Again...

 

[XeisenbergNisa]

Yike, like, this supposed "cosmology blog" is a cosmology that smashed 4 - 5 games into one cosmology, like, there are Quake scans, Commander Keen and...................wth is that red symbol verse??

Like, i never see stuff like the Black Sun Dimension, The Dreamlands in DOOM, lol

The "red symbol verse" is Wolfeinstein, and the connection is established by the original game creators, the protagonists of DOOM, Wolfenstein, and Commander Keen are all part of the same family tree

The games Quake III Arena and Quake Champions officially connect these worlds by having their protagonists, including Doomguy and B.J. Blazkowicz, taken from across the history of the universemto an extra-dimensional arena. This confirms they all take place within the same world/multiverse.

And Black Sun Dimension from the Wolfenstein series, with Dreamlands also being a real rom the Quake series

 

[XeisenbergNisa]

I don't understand if the same person is opening different accounts

Wdym?

 

[Ezaru]

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Earth's Multiverse (Low 1-C) 5-D​

The Multiverse/Mortal Realm contains Countless dimensions

Countless = / = Uncountably infinite

Basically fractals are mathematical sets renowned for their "infinitely complex patterns that are self-similar across different scales". They can describe "processes in time" and appear in chaotic systems.

When timeline branching occurs like fractal patterns, it means the number of distinct realities generated is not merely a countable sequence (e.g., 1, 2, 3...), but rather a continuous, infinitely dense spectrum of possibilities. Just as there are uncountably infinite points on any continuous line segment (even an infinitesimally small one), a fractal branching process implies an uncountably infinite number of unique outcomes and, thus, uncountably infinite distinct timelines

This "continuous" infinity is precisely what is defined in set theory as the cardinality of the continuum, or Aleph-1 (ℵ1) because a 4-D spacetime continuum itself has uncountably infinite points along each of its dimensions (including time), the application of this fractal branching principle to such a continuum directly yields an uncountably infinite number of parallel 4-D timelines

The convergence of these points confirms that each dimension encompasses an uncountably infinite number of parallel 4-D realities/timelines now with VsBW's tiering standards, a structure containing an uncountably infinite collection of N-dimensional realities necessitates an (N+1) dimensional framework to contain or organize them. Therefore, Multiverse is justly scaled at Low 1-C (5-D)

For the fractile patterns, assuming irrational fractals, it would be an uncountable infinite number. Otherwise, it would just be supporting evidence of a quantum-based MWI, though even that would still be Low 1-C, assuming every separation is its own space-time.

This is already something accepted in previous thread made by user called Baldiback3162

This statement is like way too vague to scale to all this math stuff you want it too.

Yike, lol

The wording is yikesy but I kinda agree that statement obviously doesnt mean it's infinite in size and does relate to spacial dimensions tbh

Assuming thats actually how its worded I don't know doom

 

[Axxtentacle]

The wording is yikesy but I kinda agree that statement obviously doesnt mean it's infinite in size and does relate to spacial dimensions tbh

Assuming thats actually how its worded I don't know doom

He has the wording correct

 

[XeisenbergNisa]

Countless = / = Uncountably infinite

I never implied Countless to Uncountably infinite nor said Countless = Uncountably infinite, my proposal for Multiverse having Aleph-1 number of Universes is Divinity machine codex's statement about how timelines, watching them form and expand exponentially like fractal patterns in the fabric of existence

This implys Uncountably infinite as explained by Qawsedf234

For the fractile patterns, assuming irrational fractals, it would be an uncountable infinite number. Otherwise, it would just be supporting evidence of a quantum-based MWI, though even that would still be Low 1-C, assuming every separation is its own space-time.

 

[KLOL506]

This is getting annoying. This already seems to have been rejected on multiple counts now, that I think a discussion rule should be made.

@Qawsedf234 @Firestorm808 Whaddya think? Should a rule be made now given just how many times threads like these have popped up in quick succession?

 

[Gewsbumpz_dude]

Please just let my off-site stuff rest in peace. I would really appreciate that.

 

[KLOL506]

Please just let my off-site stuff rest in peace. I would really appreciate that.

Hol'up, all this stuff in OP is yours?

 

[Gewsbumpz_dude]

A good chunk of it is, yeah. As a whole, I admittedly haven't really kept up with the DOOM affairs on this website (Mostly for my own sake), but with the little I have seen with these recent CRTs, a number of things from them can be traced back to me it seems.

 

[Gewsbumpz_dude]

I'm mostly minding my own business, doing my own thing on websites like Alt Battles Wiki. I don't want any trouble or anything, and my work is already kind of connected to this wiki, but please leave me be.

 

[Gewsbumpz_dude]

Especially with shit like this. DOOM is just 5-D at best.

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

Lol 3 messages and aleady a Doom Upgrade? Someone is smurfing

 

[Gewsbumpz_dude]

Not even arguing things correctly. Like that statement of the Black Sun Dimension having "impossible angles"? That is a statement for an entirely different structure in Quake Champions lore known as the Fathom Orb, nothing to do with the Black Sun Dimension. The premise of the Black Sun Dimension being 6-D in the first place since there is nothing saying that it transcends the multiverse or whatever. Yeah, its "extra-dimensional", but that doesn't exclude it from being simply 4-D (Weird how people just forget that 4-D is higher-dimensional when using evidence like this).

With that said, if anyone like actually wants to know my thoughts on DOOM scaling, just ask me directly (I.E. Message wall, DMs, whatever) instead of going off others, like this person, say. Now, I'll leave this thread back to you guys.

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

Not even arguing things correctly. Like that statement of the Black Sun Dimension having "impossible angles"? That is a statement for an entirely different structure in Quake Champions lore known as the Fathom Orb, nothing to do with the Black Sun Dimension. The premise of the Black Sun Dimension being 6-D in the first place since there is nothing saying that it transcends the multiverse or whatever. Yeah, its "extra-dimensional", but that doesn't exclude it from being simply 4-D (Weird how people just forget that 4-D is higher-dimensional when using evidence like this).

With that said, if anyone like actually wants to know my thoughts on DOOM scaling, just ask me directly (I.E. Message wall, DMs, whatever) instead of going off others, like this person, say. Now, I'll leave this thread back to you guys.

1-A Goosbumps when?

 

[Mythic381]

This statement is like way too vague to scale to all this math stuff you want it too.

The argument is already accepted in a previous thread.

Lol 3 messages and aleady a Doom Upgrade? Someone is smurfing

They did already attempt a 1-A upgrade a while ago too.

Black Sun Dimension (1-C) 6D​

Can you actually prove these statements are related to it being transcendent over the Multiverse and not just a casual 4D spacetime? Also is the Black Sun Dimension even accepted as canon to Doom here?

 

[Qawsedf234]

Whaddya think? Should a rule be made now given just how many times threads like these have popped up in quick succession?

If it keeps happening sure, but they are all technically new attempts to upgrade the cosmology rather than the same attempt repeated.

Though for the thread, Wolfenstien's dimension being larger than a normal universe does not mean its larger than the multiverse. Especially because its from an entirely different source with different knowledge than the DOOM one.

Overall the 7D justifications are just pretty weak and for some reason a fourth of the thread is spent on already accepted scaling.

 

[KaramcaS]

This implys Uncountably infinite as explained by @Qawsedf234

is that mean you already know whats happening in the wiki and the admin's explanations?? So you are not NEW on this wiki? how could you only have 3-6 messagges?

 

[Ezaru]

I never implied Countless to Uncountably infinite nor said Countless = Uncountably infinite, my proposal for Multiverse having Aleph-1 number of Universes is Divinity machine codex's statement about how timelines, watching them form and expand exponentially like fractal patterns in the fabric of existence

This implys Uncountably infinite as explained by Qawsedf234

For the fractile patterns, assuming irrational fractals, it would be an uncountable infinite number. Otherwise, it would just be supporting evidence of a quantum-based MWI, though even that would still be Low 1-C, assuming every separation is its own space-time.

assuming irrational fractals

Why are we assuming this?

 

[Ezaru]

The argument is already accepted in a previous thread.

It seems like 5-D universe was accepted

Fair

But Im not sure why, there was so much going on in that thread and I just looked quickly, but Im not even really sure why they were convinced it has uncountably infinite universes

 

[Mythic381]

Why are we assuming this?

It either proves irrational fractals or further proof of Quantum MWI, both cases are Low 1-C, the latter being supported as we already know MWI exists.

But Im not sure why, there was so much going on in that thread and I just looked quickly, but Im not even really sure why they were convinced it has uncountably infinite universes

Quantum MWI pretty much has an uncountable infinite number of universes.

 

[Mythic381]

is that mean you already know whats happening in the wiki and the admin's explanations?? So you are not NEW on this wiki? how could you only have 3-6 messagges?

Simply could've been watching CRTs without having an account.

 

[Ezaru]

It either proves irrational fractals or further proof of Quantum MWI, both cases are Low 1-C, the latter being supported as we already know MWI exists.

Quantum MWI pretty much has an uncountable infinite number of universes.

It proves fractals, not irrational which I think is needed for uncountably infinite

Which part shows it is quantum?

 

[Mythic381]

It proves fractals, not irrational which I think is needed for uncountably infinite

It can be used with further evidence (if provided) to prove irrational fractals, but no supporting proof for it.

Which part shows it is quantum?

"For the fractile patterns, assuming irrational fractals, it would be an uncountable infinite number. Otherwise, it would just be supporting evidence of a quantum-based MWI, though even that would still be Low 1-C, assuming every separation is its own space-time."

from @Qawsedf234

 

[XeisenbergNisa]

is that mean you already know whats happening in the wiki and the admin's explanations?? So you are not NEW on this wiki? how could you only have 3-6 messagges?

I've readed and check to previous threads about DOOM before i have make a CRT about it, this is why i know what's happening for DOOM.

 

[XeisenbergNisa]

Overall the 7D justifications are just pretty weak and for some reason a fourth of the thread is spent on already accepted scaling.

Understandable, also i also have added things that is already accepted scaling because i didn't want it to make thread that short.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Everything just feels like barebones repeats of the same thing from multiple "new people."

 

[Qawsedf234]

Understandable, also i also have added things that is already accepted scaling because i didn't want it to make thread that short.

You haven't added anything of substance.

• Why are Quake and Commander Keen even mentioned as being "canon"?
• You have two irrelevant sections for 4D and 5D when you've posted a prior thread of them already being accepted
• Your 7D scans are just the current 6D scans

The only thing new being proposed, which is the Wolfenstein part, is buried in the thread.

Black Sun Dimension (1-C) 6D​

The Black Sun Dimension is a extra-dimensional space

This is meaningless for 6D. Extradimensional just means outside of known space. For it to just be 5D you'd have to showcase that BJ is wording the word dimension as geometric and not another realm.

Staded to be beyond frontiers of human knowledge

This statement is being made by a person who doesn't know the multiverse exists and is in-context happening in the 1940s. The comic story is about a city that was made the Thule civilization that works in weird ways. How is this upscaling from the multiverse?

"There's a another dimension, one of hundreds. Seperated from us by the vastness of time and space"

???

Did you watch your own scene? This is about BJ stating there's different Earth's out there where the Nazis didn't win. This has nothing to do with the Black Sun dimension. In fact him calling other universes dimensions:

Blazkowicz separated from us by the vastness of time and space indicates that time and space are the means of their separation this literally implys that that these dimensions are indeed extra spatio-temporal dimensions in the sense that they exist within a larger encompassing spatio-temporal fabric but distinct from our local universe's specific configuration of space-time,

works completely against your point here. Those universes operate as normal universes with different histories, but he still calls them dimensions. Because they're not using dimension to mean geometric space but just standard realms.

It also contains impossible angles which supports extra-dimension (1D+) furthermore

This is a Quake Champions bio. Please tell me how this relates to the Black Sun dimension.

Our minds, which are limited to perceiving three spatial dimensions, cannot reconcile the contradictory perspectives and geometry, much like how a two-dimensional being would find a three-dimensional object to have impossible angles

All of this proves that Black Sun Dimension is a extra-dimension (1D+) compared to Multiverse.

This does not prove the Black Sun dimension is 6D. The most, if I'm being generous to you, is that you proved the Black Sun dimension is 5D. But that doesn't upgrade the multiverse and doesn't upgrade Hell or Urdak either.

Anyways I'm against this upgrade.

 

[XeisenbergNisa]

You haven't added anything of substance.

• Why are Quake and Commander Keen even mentioned as being "canon"?
• You have two irrelevant sections for 4D and 5D when you've posted a prior thread of them already being accepted
• Your 7D scans are just the current 6D scans

The only thing new being proposed, which is the Wolfenstein part, is buried in the thread.

This is meaningless for 6D. Extradimensional just means outside of known space. For it to just be 5D you'd have to showcase that BJ is wording the word dimension as geometric and not another realm.

This statement is being made by a person who doesn't know the multiverse exists and is in-context happening in the 1940s. The comic story is about a city that was made the Thule civilization that works in weird ways. How is this upscaling from the multiverse?

???

Did you watch your own scene? This is about BJ stating there's different Earth's out there where the Nazis didn't win. This has nothing to do with the Black Sun dimension. In fact him calling other universes dimensions:

works completely against your point here. Those universes operate as normal universes with different histories, but he still calls them dimensions. Because they're not using dimension to mean geometric space but just standard realms.

This is a Quake Champions bio. Please tell me how this relates to the Black Sun dimension.

This does not prove the Black Sun dimension is 6D. The most, if I'm being generous to you, is that you proved the Black Sun dimension is 5D. But that doesn't upgrade the multiverse and doesn't upgrade Hell or Urdak either.

Understandable, then im gonna try a new argument that is not discussed yet for DOOM

Cosmic Realm is chilling reminder of dimensions that exists even beyond Hell.

"The Cosmic Realm is a dimension of unfathomable dread where reality warps and sanity falters. Ancient structures of impossible geometry rise from blackened seas, their surfaces pulsating with unholy runes. The skies churn with colors unknown, inhabited by titanic beings that defy comprehension."

Cosmic Realm containing Ancient structures of impossible geometry supports the higher-dimensional status of Cosmic Realm. From a physics perspective, impossible geometry refers to shapes and structures that cannot be contained or understood within a lower-dimensional space our minds, for example, struggle to visualize a 4-D tesseract, which is a common example of impossible geometry in a 3-D world. In this context, the impossible geometry of the Cosmic Realm suggests it exists in a dimensional space that is dimensionally superior to 6-D Hell.

This means Cosmic Realm is dimensions beyond Hell and impossible geometry, meaning it's higher-dimensional compared to 6-D Hell which leads to 7-D scaling for Cosmic realm.

Since the Void first appeared and then The Father acted upon it to create new realities including all other realms meaning it came before even Cosmic Realm, which also scales Void at least 7D.

In overall, the DOOM Cosmology would be at least 7D which Doomguy and Davoth/Dark Lord scales to it.

Anyways I'm against this upgrade.

If it's possible, can you please see the new argument for 7D DOOM Cosmology? Cosmic Realm was not discussed in this site so this is something new.

 

[Qawsedf234]

it's possible, can you please see the new argument for 7D DOOM Cosmology? Cosmic Realm was not discussed in this site so this is something new.

Any upgrades after the discussion rule requires a staff thread.

 

[Mythic381]

Cosmic Realm containing Ancient structures of impossible geometry supports the higher-dimensional status of Cosmic Realm. From a physics perspective, impossible geometry refers to shapes and structures that cannot be contained or understood within a lower-dimensional space our minds, for example, struggle to visualize a 4-D tesseract, which is a common example of impossible geometry in a 3-D world. In this context, the impossible geometry of the Cosmic Realm suggests it exists in a dimensional space that is dimensionally superior to 6-D Hell.

I think you are referring to impossible object

”An impossible object is a type of optical illusion that consists of a two-dimensional figure which is instantly and naturally understood as representing a projection of a three-dimensional object but cannot exist as a solid object.”

Not sure exactly how containing a 2-dimensional illusion of a 3-dimensional object proves higher dimensionality.

 

[XeisenbergNisa]

Not sure exactly how containing a 2-dimensional illusion of a 3-dimensional object proves higher dimensionality.

Basically Cosmic Realm is dimensions that exist even beyond Hell" since Hell is already a 6-D realm, a realm that exists beyond it must, by definition, be of a higher order of dimensionality with the context of impossible geometry.

Since a being from a 6-D reality would perceive a 7-D space as having structures that defy comprehension because their minds are not equipped to process an extra dimension. The term impossible geometry in this context is a narrative way of expressing a quantitative leap in dimensionality, not a simple optical illusion or a 2-D projection of a 3-D object.

 

[Mythic381]

Basically Cosmic Realm is dimensions that exist even beyond Hell" since Hell is already a 6-D realm, a realm that exists beyond it must, by definition, be of a higher order of dimensionality with the context of impossible geometry.

I mean, it states it's a reminder of the dimensions that exist beyond hell, and as mentioned before, Hell can't be higher-dimensional over Urdak since Urdak is already outside of space and time, meaning the rest can't be more outside of it.

 

[XeisenbergNisa]

I mean, it states it's a reminder of the dimensions that exist beyond hell, and as mentioned before, Hell can't be higher-dimensional over Urdak since Urdak is already outside of space and time, meaning the rest can't be more outside of it.

Not really, the 5-D Multiverse is also outside of space and time relative to the 4-D Earth dimension. The 6-D Urdak and Hell are also outside of space and time relative to the 5-D Multiverse so outside of space and time doesn't mean a realm is at the top of the hierarchy it simply means it is not bound by the space-time of the dimension below it.

The key is that a higher dimension isn't just more outside of space and time. It is a quanitatively different reality that contains a greater number of dimensions. The 6-D realms (Hell and Urdak) are outside of space and time for the 5-D Multiverse because they are not contained within its dimensional structure. The 7-D Cosmic Realm is outside of space and time for the 6-D realms for the exact same reason.