The Shadow Monarch vs The one who walks in the darkness (6-12-0)

[DavidTPPM]

Can we also talk about how genjutsu isn't a first move for Sasuke? It's something he can use, might occasionally use but it's definitely not his first choice.

It's an early enough move in majority of his versions. It's just that majority of his versions also fight genjustu resistant mfers or fodders.
BoS Sasuke? Instantly genjutsued Naruto the moment he tried accessing Kurama chakra.
Hebi Sasuke? Instantly went for genjustu exchange with Itachi.
5ks Sasuke? Genjutsued Cee right away and seemingly tried genjutsuing Ay as well.
Rinnegan Sasuke? Genjutsued the 9 bijuu and Sakura the second he turned against them.

I'm pretty sure when he sees an army of million mfers stronger than himself he's going to whip out the genjutsu

 

[Trihexa102]

Sasuke FRA.

 

[Catbowtie]

Sasuke FRA

 

[Arkenis]

It's an early enough move in majority of his versions. It's just that majority of his versions also fight genjustu resistant mfers or fodders.
BoS Sasuke? Instantly genjutsued Naruto the moment he tried accessing Kurama chakra.
Hebi Sasuke? Instantly went for genjustu exchange with Itachi.
5ks Sasuke? Genjutsued Cee right away and seemingly tried genjutsuing Ay as well.
Rinnegan Sasuke? Genjutsued the 9 bijuu and Sakura the second he turned against them.

I'm pretty sure when he sees an army of million mfers stronger than himself he's going to whip out the genjutsu

Can he even genjutsu all of them at once? Whats the win con here?

 

[Phoenks]

, SJW will approach bro and try to blitz him, only to fail because Sharingan Perception Amp is broken.

Jinwoo has the same perception amp + he's already 7x faster than Sasuke's base.

As far as I know, a 3x difference in speed is already extremely hard to overcome.

So there will be no way he keeps up.

People mentioned the Shadow Soldiers speed. All of them are slower than Jinwoo to some extent. Igris explicitly had no way of avoiding the breath of destruction, for a example.

However, the stronger ones like the Titans and Generals should reasonably just scale down from him since they can give him somewhat of a challenge in combat and fight alongside him against beings like the Monarchs.

They are probably still faster than base Sasuke.

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

Jinwoo has the same perception amp + he's already 7x faster than Sasuke's base.

As far as I know, a 3x difference in speed is already extremely hard to overcome.

So there will be no way he keeps up.

People mentioned the Shadow Soldiers speed. All of them are slower than Jinwoo to some extent. Igris explicitly had no way of avoiding the breath of destruction, for a example.

However, the stronger ones like the Titans and Generals should reasonably just scale down from him since they can give him somewhat of a challenge in combat and fight alongside him against beings like the Monarchs.

They are probably still faster than base Sasuke.

Like I said earlier, the reason I didn't make it speed equal is because with a simple mangekyo he was already able to get FTL reactions, his Eternal MS is just way better not to mention he does not start fights without his sharingan (which is the one who got the relativistic+/0.86c) in his previous weaker form.

Assuming he would start with his normal sharingan he should already upscale his previous sharingan feat so he should be able to easily keep track of Sung even if he was faster, with his EMS the speed straight up is equal or in his favor

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

I vote for the Shadow Monarch. Naruto’s shadow clones (which has never barraged Sasuke by the hundreds let alone millions) is not enough experience. Sasuke doesn’t have the feats nor stamina to suggest he can kill millions of immortal soldiers nor the chakra capacity to take control of even 1% of them.

Genjutsu is not his go to skill but he uses it enough I suppose. Still he will not be able to get a lock on Sun within that immortal army several times larger than the one formed against Obito in the War arc. It’s actually impossible. He’s more likely to just exhaust himself and collapse.

His only hope is if the Shadow Monarch decided to engage him directly. To maybe incap him since killing is not possible. He’s more likely to engage him first with his sword techniques infused with raiton and Amaterasu.

 

[DavidTPPM]

Can he even genjutsu all of them at once? Whats the win con here?

No need. He can just genjustu Jinwoo and make him unsummon the army.

Jinwoo has the same perception amp + he's already 7x faster than Sasuke's base.

As far as I know, a 3x difference in speed is already extremely hard to overcome.

So there will be no way he keeps up.

Sasuke literally never fights with his sharingan off. Like he usually straight up walks into a fight either with his sharingan or MS already active, so the speed gap between base sauce and Jinwoo doesn't matter.

 

[karo_senpaii]

I vote for the Shadow Monarch. Naruto’s shadow clones (which has never barraged Sasuke by the hundreds let alone millions) is not enough experience. Sasuke doesn’t have the feats nor stamina to suggest he can kill millions of immortal soldiers nor the chakra capacity to take control of even 1% of them.

Genjutsu is not his go to skill but he uses it enough I suppose. Still he will not be able to get a lock on Sun within that immortal army several times larger than the one formed against Obito in the War arc. It’s actually impossible. He’s more likely to just exhaust himself and collapse.

His only hope is if the Shadow Monarch decided to engage him directly. To maybe incap him since killing is not possible. He’s more likely to engage him first with his sword techniques infused with raiton and Amaterasu.

Asides from a few hundred titans the rest are thousands of times weaker than he is. He could simply ignore them as they can't harm him. And absolutely no one can touch him if he goes susanoo mode.

 

[Testarossa002]

Can we also talk about how genjutsu isn't a first move for Sasuke? It's something he can use, might occasionally use but it's definitely not his first choice.

At this point, I might have to make a CRT to add this to the profiles
Sharingan genjutsu is typically the first move for every Sharingan user. Except Danzo for obvious reasons.
The reason why it doesn't look that way is because every ninja knows about it and the appropriate countermeasures needed to combat it (don't look them in the eye, fight in pairs, just run away etc)
Which forces sharingan users to find creative ways to get their opponent to drop their guard (or just power through it i.e Sasuke vs Bijuu)
Crossverse, nobody has that prior knowledge (except through jacked-up info analysis or it's specified in matches). Which means they're easy prey to genjutsu. Sasuke fought a bunch of randoms in Redaku country and that was his initial move. Despite not even using it in combat throughout boruto

 

[Tatsumi504]

5ks Sasuke? Genjutsued Cee right away and seemingly tried genjutsuing Ay as well.

Ah, I remember this one but why didn't he use it on Ay again?

Like I said earlier, the reason I didn't make it speed equal is because with a simple mangekyo he was already able to get FTL reactions, his Eternal MS is just way better not to mention he does not start fights without his sharingan (which is the one who got the relativistic+/0.86c) in his previous weaker form.

Assuming he would start with his normal sharingan he should already upscale his previous sharingan feat so he should be able to easily keep track of Sung even if he was faster, with his EMS the speed straight up is equal or in his favor

But that's still only perception

No need. He can just genjustu Jinwoo and make him unsummon the army.

Sasuke literally never fights with his sharingan off. Like he usually straight up walks into a fight either with his sharingan or MS already active, so the speed gap between base sauce and Jinwoo doesn't matter.

Perception and reactions isn't the same as combat speed. He might be a to deal with one or two telegraphed moves but eventually he just sees himself standing still while he takes a punch to the face. Speed very much matters

 

[Robo432343]

Jin-Woo has looked into his opponents eyes every single fight
it will be the same here except he gets genjutsu'd

 

[DavidTPPM]

Ah, I remember this one but why didn't he use it on Ay again?

Ay looks him in the eyes and says "I can't be taken down by a mere sharingan". I've seen some discussions about the scene but personally I believe Sasuke tried to and Ay somehow resisted it.

But that's still only perception

No it's his reactions. The 0.86c value comes from a calc of Sasuke physically moving his sword to block a light speed attack.

Perception and reactions isn't the same as combat speed. He might be a to deal with one or two telegraphed moves but eventually he just sees himself standing still while he takes a punch to the face. Speed very much matters

No you're just misunderstanding Sasukes reaction speed value. It's not the speed of his perceptions but speed at which he can physically react.

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Jinwoo has the same perception amp + he's already 7x faster than Sasuke's base.

Which gets closed by shunshin and lightning style

sasuke in character also tends to blitz so he likely leads with these early

As far as I know, a 3x difference in speed is already extremely hard to overcome.

Wasn't like the standard chidori accepted as a blitz amp? which would already be around that gap?

So there will be no way he keeps up.

People mentioned the Shadow Soldiers speed. All of them are slower than Jinwoo to some extent. Igris explicitly had no way of avoiding the breath of destruction, for a example.

However, the stronger ones like the Titans and Generals should reasonably just scale down from him since they can give him somewhat of a challenge in combat and fight alongside him against beings like the Monarchs.

They are probably still faster than base Sasuke.

Them being faster than base sasuke is kinda irrelevant since at this point in the series, he just leads with blitz through lightning style

 

[Testarossa002]

See the first key of his speed section
He's one of the few ninjas in the verse who can incorporate Shunshin into his standard combat speed.
Which means he effectively starts at FTL
After which there's like 6 different "higher" variations. With some, like the Chidori, being a blitz (or 2) tier difference.
Jin Woo isn't blitzing anyone here. In fact, I'd argue the opposite

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

Grace period is over. You guys will keep arguing or should I add this?

I don't mind if ya'll keep debating


EDIT: did you guys know OPs are allowed to vote too? I didn't know that. Here is my take on this match.

Social Justice Warrior holds the AP and hax advantage but from what I know he is not trigger happy with those abilities that would land him a win and yet despite that he could just stat check Sauce relatively easy by jumping him alongside his top shadows.

Sauce on the other hand has the speed and skill advantage with the sharingan making the fights be on his favor if they are just H2H (similar to what Madara did to the shinobi alliance). Sasuke can insta win with a genjutsu because of layers/potency but I don't think he would wipe it out first move nor would he make a mad dash for Sung, instead he would just experiment more with his EMS (as I said this was supposed to be Kabuto fight Sauce).

Sasuke can apparently interact with souls so assuming his abilities are covered by that then the Amaterasu will straight up clean hordes of Sung's legion while also proving a danger to Sung himself. Sung can also counter and just negate Sasuke's speed advantage with ruler's authority if he catches him (Sasuke doesn't have Jugoo for the whole senjutsu susanoo).

For me this one comes down to, if sasuke can reduce the army's numbers with amaterasu Sung will be in a disadvantage while on the other hand if Sung has enough he can BFR Sasuke and end the match there or jump him with hundreds of soldiers that hold power to match him effectively one shotting Sasuke.


I think it's a 50/50

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Grace period is over. You guys will keep arguing or should I add this?

I don't mind if ya'll keep debating


EDIT: did you guys know OPs are allowed to vote too? I didn't know that. Here is my take on this match.

Social Justice Warrior holds the AP and hax advantage but from what I know he is not trigger happy with those abilities that would land him a win and yet despite that he could just stat check Sauce relatively easy by jumping him alongside his top shadows.

Sauce on the other hand has the speed and skill advantage with the sharingan making the fights be on his favor if they are just H2H (similar to what Madara did to the shinobi alliance). Sasuke can insta win with a genjutsu because of layers/potency but I don't think he would wipe it out first move nor would he make a mad dash for Sung, instead he would just experiment more with his EMS (as I said this was supposed to be Kabuto fight Sauce).

Sasuke can apparently interact with souls so assuming his abilities are covered by that then the Amaterasu will straight up clean hordes of Sung's legion while also proving a danger to Sung himself. Sung can also counter and just negate Sasuke's speed advantage with ruler's authority if he catches him (Sasuke doesn't have Jugoo for the whole senjutsu susanoo).

For me this one comes down to, if sasuke can reduce the army's numbers with amaterasu Sung will be in a disadvantage while on the other hand if Sung has enough he can BFR Sasuke and end the match there or jump him with hundreds of soldiers that hold power to match him effectively one shotting Sasuke.

Naw, social justice warrior resists those temperatures and I'm pretty sure his soldiers share his resistances

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

Naw, social justice warrior resists those temperatures and I'm pretty sure his soldiers share his resistances

The black flames have limited dura neg for being able to damage characters way above his own paygrade

Is that enough?

 

[Delusionaltx2]

The black flames have limited dura neg for being able to damage characters way above his own paygrade

Is that enough?

No, heat hax already negates durability, which is where amatarasus dura neg comes from

 

[DavidTPPM]

Grace period is over. You guys will keep arguing or should I add this?

Personally I already said I believe this is a stomp which means it shouldn't be added. Since Jinwoo has no way to avoid a thought based one shot.

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

No, heat hax already negates durability, which is where amatarasus dura neg comes from

Damn... I didn't know that. With that in mind I give it to Sung.

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

Grace ended, this can be added

 

[Phoenks]

Jinwoo is potentially getting NEP + Mid-Godly regen so uh... it prolly won't be on there for long anyway.

 

[karo_senpaii]

Jinwoo is potentially getting NEP + Mid-Godly regen so uh... it prolly won't be on there for long anyway.

Only his nep is a factor if it gets approved. I don't think mid godly changes anything since Sasuke wincons has nothing to do with it

 

[FreezerMonkey]

I feel sad that I even have to use this sites scales, and we're also not using Ragnarok either, which scales Jinwoo far beyond anything in Naruto, so I'll just say Jinwoo speed blitzes and erases him from existence.

Technically, Sasuke can't hurt Jinwoo to begin with since he has no mana, tbh.

 

[Arkenis]

I feel sad that I even have to use this sites scales, and we're also not using Ragnarok either, which scales Jinwoo far beyond anything in Naruto, so I'll just say Jinwoo speed blitzes and erases him from existence.

Technically, Sasuke can't hurt Jinwoo to begin with since he has no mana, tbh.

gotta read before commenting sometimes. Match already over

 

[FreezerMonkey]

gotta read before commenting sometimes. Match already over

I would have thought I'd see something saying this was over on this page. I did not. Nor is thread locked. It was a completely reasonable assumption for me to assume the match was still open.

 

[Arkenis]

I would have thought I'd see something saying this was over on this page. I did not. Nor is thread locked. It was a completely reasonable assumption for me to assume the match was still open.

Yeah sure. When people say grace period is over that means the match has concluded most times. Just hasn't been added yet is all

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Yeah sure. When people say grace period is over that means the match has concluded most times. Just hasn't been added yet is all

Erm, actually, the match was added, it just hasn't been closed!

 

[FreezerMonkey]

Yeah sure. When people say grace period is over that means the match has concluded most times. Just hasn't been added yet is all

Firstly, didn't know that. Secondly, I still find that funny, cause after that was said, both an admin and someone else responded. Ig you should go talk to Phoenks and karo for responding to the thread after that as well.

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

Vegeta nos va a traicionar

 

[Arkenis]

Firstly, didn't know that. Secondly, I still find that funny, cause after that was said, both an admin and someone else responded. Ig you should go talk to Phoenks and karo for responding to the thread after that as well.

Responding after grace is generally okay. I replied to you since you brought up points when the match was over.

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

I feel sad that I even have to use this sites scales, and we're also not using Ragnarok either, which scales Jinwoo far beyond anything in Naruto, so I'll just say Jinwoo speed blitzes and erases him from existence.

Technically, Sasuke can't hurt Jinwoo to begin with since he has no mana, tbh.

Welcum to the site ig

You are free to make a thread to update SJW profile and all that stuff

Also SJW is fodder >:v

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

Jinwoo beats Sasuke in aurafarming if that helps make ya feel better

 

[FreezerMonkey]

Welcum to the site ig

You are free to make a thread to update SJW profile and all that stuff

Also SJW is fodder >:v

Perhaps I'll make that thread in the future

Also, you ain't ever proving Jinwoo is fodder.

 

[DavidTPPM]

Perhaps I'll make that thread in the future

Also, you ain't ever proving Jinwoo is fodder.

I just got off a phone call with the SL author and they confirmed Jinwoo is a certified fodder

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

I just got off a phone call with the SL author and they confirmed Jinwoo is a certified fodder

uhmm counterargument :

 

[FreezerMonkey]

I just got off a phone call with the SL author and they confirmed Jinwoo is a certified fodder

Funny, cause I actually do know them, and they very much say the opposite.

 

[Vietthai96]

If no one have problem, i will close this thread since it was requested in All-Purpose Request Thread that the match is concluded and added to the profile