The peak speed I took into account is base MHS; I didn’t consider sub-relativistic or higher speeds, which are the ones the characters actually have at that point.
It's generally true. But in this context, specifically, he is talking about the speed of the attack and its timeframe.
This is a point I addressed. Sasuke is in the middle of the explosion and wasn’t harmed. The damage is concentrated in "one spot" , to sum it up briefly. Following Zetsu’s current speed, he should cover something like 3 km…
It's fair. But...
I can see that argument if the speed on their profile is around the tier of the time frame, but apparently, he is treated much faster (Sub-Rel up to FTL+).
This would be fine if the manga did not show so much against hypersonic as a hard speed cap. The verse demonstrates numerous speed feats above it and at that tier. In certain instances the word of one character, even if reliable can be ignored as we all acknowledge authors aren't constantly making sure their speed scale is consistent with every single statement. This was only meant to hype up the scale of such an attack and shouldn't be indicative of majority of characters speed.
My downgrade doesn’t apply to the characters from Part 2, but to those from Part 1. If this feat is fast in Part 2, then in Part 1 they must be below that level.
Like Damage said, a timeframe alone means nothing without distance taken into account
Sure, but either way travel speed is a bit inconsistent. Shunshin in short bursts is faster than combat speed, but depending on distance, it could be slower than sound, like how it takes Kage level shinobi days to travel across countries. Even crossing 10 kilometers, the Konoha team in Fated Battle Between Brothers seemed to take a decent number of seconds to reach the Uchiha hideout.
Oh I know, I'm saying the story portrays the speed of Kirin to be dodgeable. You cite what Zetsu says and I'm saying there are calcs and statements contradicting that. There's temari's calc, there's Gaara's calc but then there's Itachi's water bullet being stated light speed, there's the statement of anbu being light speed, there's Kakashi's intercepting lightning feat, and there's Haku's light speed statement as well. It doesn't matter if you agree with these statements or not, the main point is they show a clear narrative for the characters being at a higher speed.
You don't even say who should be downgraded from this. Should all the sannin not be sub-rel? Should Itachi not be rel in part1? Or Hiruzen? I know Kakashi's scaling to himself in part 2, do you think he should be downgraded?
If i’m not mistaken, the only part 1 characters who scale faster than lightning are those who scale to kakashi and his calc. Do you propose we either just remove all of those characters scaling to kakashi in part 1, create a separate key for kakashis speed in part 1, or just remove the false darkness calc entirely, which would affect part 2 characters? None of those options seem to really make much sense to me. You also say that kirin is fast in part 2, which has mostly characters that scale multiple times the speed of lighting.
IF that's the case, the profiles should reflect that and have a lower rating for Travel Speed, for things like over tens of meters or something, you do you.
This is dismissive of the statements in a way. I understand the idea but he can just as well say "god-like" or "unimaginable speed" to keep it ambiguous but he doesn't, the databooks deliberately state these jutsus as speed of light and I think that's intentional to assert a tangible idea of speed.
Then I get accused… but it’s not your fault. Anyway, no ,I wrote it in the first message, and whoever liked it should know that. If it were SOLightning for example, a high hyper+ would write it
Agreed
I think the point he is making is that "Speed of Light" in this context is also meant to just emphasise the speed of something in a figurative way; this is already established to be a definition in Japanese itself so "speed of light" isn't mono-defined
It's a bit hard to categorize that since it's not that consistent, sometimes characters can Shunshin at high speed over tens of meters. Having a note that they can't maintain their speed indefinitely would be good though.
A lot of authors out there use light speed instead of what you mentioned to convey super speed it's nothing new brother
This can also be used as an abstract noun that doesn't have to be figurative.
Then we'd look to context to see a contradiction or disconnection. And a lot of authors also use what I said too, Ichigo's bankai, Killua's Kanmuru form, Zenitsu godlike speed technique. You're kinda missing the point. Author's don't just throw out words for fun when they're describing something in detail as the databooks literally meant for that. Maybe other verses with little info on abilities I'd agree the statements are less acknowledgeable.
But like I said before, the only characters at or beyond lightning speed are those who scale to kakashi’s calc, so how would that be handled. And kirin is portrayed as fast compared to characters who scale to that same calc. And what about kirin being calced faster than lightning.
Almost all attempts to apply the literal meaning of SOL from information from the databooks have failed because of contradictions in the narrative (SOL Haku, SOL Itachi, SOL Raikage etc.), and in fact I would like to believe Light Fang suffers from the same issue
We don't roll with whataboutism here. Those people have different reasons as to why "speed of light" should be literal and that has nothing to do with Naruto's examples
That isn't whataboutism... they're examples for other authors using phrases to denote speed without using speed of light lmao
I wouldn’t touch characters like Kakashi or any references to Naruto Part 2. Only those from Part 1
The chains are strange; you go through 5 profiles, and the justification remains unclear
Not really related to the thread but wouldn't this effect every naruto lightning dodging feat if the author gives his own speed value to in-verse lightning?
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