The world is at peace, but a wild boss suddenly appeared!? (Shallow Vernal VS Ruphas Mafhal)

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True Form Shallow Vernal (True Form)

Ruphas Mafahl (Overlaying Settings)

Now that both are at the best when it comes to profiles, and prob the strongest isekai chars, they are now both 1A, always wanted to do this matchup lul

both 1A, thats really it lul

 

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Bump

 

[Apotheosis69]

Are they both like Baseline or the same Layers?

 

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Are they both like Baseline or the same Layers?

Baseline, now at least

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

This topic has been done before, or maybe it was a fun and games? But answer remains the same, Ruphas stomps, Shiro is baseline, meanwhile Ruphas is many many infinities above baseline in hax and ap, there is nothing Shiro can do for now.

 

[Maniaunavailable]

This topic has been done before, or maybe it was a fun and games? But answer remains the same, Ruphas stomps, Shiro is baseline, meanwhile Ruphas is many many infinities above baseline in hax and ap, there is nothing Shiro can do for now.

Erm it’s vernal, does she suffer the same issue?

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Ruphas resists everything Vernal can do and oneshots her.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

What do you mean its Vernal? Shallow Vernal is baseline, while Ruphas is many infinities above and adapts to and gets stronger than whatever she comes across even against passive stuff.

 

[Maniaunavailable]

Aight I’ll change it, instead of making a new post, problem is there is no an isekai char as strong as ruphas

 

[Enter_Bluey]

This match up will never be fair. Even if epilogue could do the same as Ruphas thing it still wouldn't matter here. That or SV gets considered higher in r>f again and stomps No in between

This also implies Ruphas using the epilogue herself since she'd absorb it. Scary to think about

 

[Maniaunavailable]

This match up will never be fair. Even if epilogue could do the same as Ruphas thing it still wouldn't here. That or SV gets considered higher in r>f again and stomps No in between

This also implies Ruphas using the epilogue herself since she'd absorb it. Scary to think about

Is Kim dojka vs Ruphas fair?

 

[ExcelsisBerny]

Can Ruphas "destroy" the Epilogue tho?

 

[Enter_Bluey]

Is Kim dojka vs Ruphas fair?

Assuming he is baseline as well then no. She'll adapt to his hax but it will probably be incon from his nep

 

[BoastJr]

Man....

 

[Maniaunavailable]

Assuming he is baseline as well then no. She'll adapt to his hax but it will probably be incon from his nep

He has 19 1A hax, I think it’s not that bad

 

[BoastJr]

Both of their Plot Hax will not work on LOTM because it has no plot

 

[Maniaunavailable]

Both of their Plot Hax will not work on LOTM because it has no plot

Wait actually is kim dojka vs LOTM fair? I might have found a gem

 

[Enter_Bluey]

He has 19 1A hax, I think it’s not that bad

Errrrm.... the whole several infinities thing we went over just now

 

[BoastJr]

Assuming he is baseline as well then no. She'll adapt to his hax but it will probably be incon from his nep

Isn't Goddess Ruphas (Not th EoS) baseline 1-A ?

Wanna square up against klein again with his 4 layers of hax

Wait actually is kim dojka vs LOTM fair? I might have found a gem

Klein has 4 layers of Hax iirc

Well there is altair who should scale to 1-A but ehh

 

[Enter_Bluey]

Isn't Goddess Ruphas (Not th EoS) baseline 1-A ?

Wanna square up against klein again with his 4 layers of hax

This level of ragebait shall not work on me...

(Seriously tho. Them being baseline doesn't really matter. They can jump from base to breaking the endpoint level of layers guys..)

 

[Maniaunavailable]

Errrrm.... the whole several infinities thing we went over just now

I mean yeah, but like he has almost 19 + the other layers he has in the constellations, it’s almost like 30.

Anyways if it isn’t a stomp match I’ll change this into Kim Dokja VS klein moretii

 

[ExcelsisBerny]

Can Ruphas "destroy" the Epilogue tho?

X2

 

[BoastJr]

X2

I think Me and Bluey had this convo before

Well to sum it up, basically the Epilogue is uneffected if it scales higher

But if its on "equal footing" (both 1-A) or "ruphas transcends" then she should be able to afaik

The epilogue will continue to exist as long as other stories remain (even if the epilogue is used against itself) but I don't think its a huge factor (?)

 

[Enter_Bluey]

X2

Do you mean the stories immortality?

 

[Enter_Bluey]

I think Me and Bluey had this convo before

Well to sum it up, basically the Epilogue is uneffected if it scales higher

But if its on "equal footing" (both 1-A) or "ruphas transcends" then she should be able to afaik

The epilogue will continue to exist as long as other stories remain (even if the epilogue is used against itself) but I don't think its a huge factor (?)

Yeah something like this

 

[ExcelsisBerny]

I think Me and Bluey had this convo before

Well to sum it up, basically the Epilogue is uneffected if it scales higher

But if its on "equal footing" (both 1-A) or "ruphas transcends" then she should be able to afaik

The epilogue will continue to exist as long as other stories remain (even if the epilogue is used against itself) but I don't think its a huge factor (?)

Yeah, I know Ruphas would be completely immune to the Epilogue due to her constant transcendence, but that isn’t the same thing as being able to destroy it.

As long as the Epilogue exists, Shallow exists. So if Ruphas can’t definitively destroy it as a concept, then this is inconclusive.

 

[Enter_Bluey]

Yeah, I know Ruphas would be completely immune to the Epilogue due to her constant transcendence, but that isn’t the same thing as being able to destroy it.

As long as the Epilogue exists, Shallow exists. So if Ruphas can’t definitively destroy it as a concept, then this is inconclusive.

She can, she would just erase it if needed like she can erase settings, overwrite immortality, etc. Settings allow free reign to do whatever (within reason ofc) once you have surpassed the previous. So editing/overwriting(even applying new properties), destroying and erasing(or shattering). They can do multiple things to the epilogue itself. For example of a property change, if the epilogue were indestructible, they overwrite that with the plot point of it being destroyed.

I mean if needed, she can also nuke everything. So her ascending it covers that

 

[Maniaunavailable]

Ok it seems people would like to debate this actually, so I’ll let it be.

 

[Apotheosis69]

Does Ruphas resist Plot Erasure? Cus isn't that the biggest schtick of Vernal with the Epilogue?

 

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Does Ruphas resist Plot Erasure? Cus isn't that the biggest schtick of Vernal with the Epilogue?

Iirc yeah alovenus ability was literally doing that

 

[DragoZeroNova]

Does Ruphas resist Plot Erasure? Cus isn't that the biggest schtick of Vernal with the Epilogue?

Right here

 

[Enter_Bluey]

Their whole fight is spamming plot shenanigans + cm1, fate, subjective hax, among other things, and all abilities they can think of (everything everything in verse). Along with abilities they've never seen by believing they can. So yeah they resist that, erase or nullify stuff.

Only reason it didn't work on each other is they get passively faster

 

[Maniaunavailable]

Bump, what’s the general consensus about this

 

[Maniaunavailable]

so imo ig its like, Ruphas takes this if she operates outside Epilogue's frameworks

 

[Enter_Bluey]

Ye, Ruphas transcends the verse currently while growing instantly faster than any passives. At this level, one punch will solve everything

 

[BoastJr]

They should kiss or something at this point

Every Monday, they fight and the answer is the same

 

[Enter_Bluey]

If it's anything how her vs Alovenus went, they would become best friends in the end as well

 

[Maniaunavailable]

so do i tag this as incon? also who do yall think is a good matchup against ruphas? given she's a very unique char I cant think of anyone

 

[BoastJr]

so do i tag this as incon? also who do yall think is a good matchup against ruphas? given she's a very unique char I cant think of anyone

Klein Moretti

 

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Klein Moretti

aight ill do it next, should I ask this to be closed and add it as incon on the profiles or just closed?