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Introduction
This is the long awaited CSM CRT where I will be covering the verse's speed calc's and scaling while also doing some removals of other calcs whether they involve speed or not. For the beginning of this, it is important that you, the reader, understand the verse's power system, that being fear scaling, as it will be necessary to the scaling of a lot of characters mentioned here.As the verse note page dictates.
- Fear Scaling (As Devils embodying the fear of a concept, the more feared they are, the more powerful they become. Even a relatively minor boost in fear can immensely boost a Devil's strength and the effects of their abilities. Due to this, once a Devil is more feared than another Devil, their AP and Speed surpass that of the said Devil. However, as a Devil's special abilities can be completely disproportionate to their body's strength, neither the physicals nor special abilities of a more feared Devil automatically scale above the special abilities of a less feared Devil.)
Revised Calcs
First lets go over what is going to be replaced re evaluated for later use. For this section I will be mainly focusing on speed.- The Angel Devil Blocks Bullets: Supersonic+(Mach 2.98)
- This calculation was agreed upon to be removed, as the manga panels do not clearly show reactive movement and the anime adaptation clarifies that Angel completed his wing shield before the gun was fired.
- Kishibe Blitz Denji: Hypersonic+(Mach 20.3)
- Was agreed that this calculation should be removed due to inaccurate usage of slo mo, as someone 15x faster than Denji can perform the same feat and Denji slants down his arm before he is kicked, killing the feat. A recalc of Kishibe punching away Power's spears in slowmo should suffice instead.
- Pochita Comes Back From Space: Massively Hypersonic(Mach 639.32)
- This should be replaced with Pochita returns from space (Mach 2731.17) along with the prompt acceptance of the Glass G feat within it.
- The Gun Goddess Shoots Tokyo from New York: Sub Relativistic(Mach 42,524.17)
- This should be replaced with The Gun Goddess Shoots Tokyo from New York: Relativistic (0.19c) along with the acceptance of the new Gun Goddess value Gun Goddess's Bullets: High 7-A (2.737 Gigatons of TNT)
New Calcs or Calcs necessary for scaling here
These are the calcs that will be used for scaling within this thread.- Dragon Fiend Blocks Bullets: Subsonic+ (Mach 0.83)
- Reze Torpedo Axe kick: Supersonic+ (Mach 3)
- Angel's Spear Speed: Hypersonic (Mach 6.35)
- 20% Gun Devil Speed: High Hypersonic (Mach 25.8)
- Katana Man Sword Draw Dash: High Hypersonic+ (Mach 81.48)
- Makima shoots Pochita Into Space: Massively Hypersonic+ (Mach 4,603.11)
- The Gun Goddess Shoots Tokyo from New York: Relativistic (0.19c)
- American Spear acceleration speed: FTL (1.25c)
Quick note: Yoru and Makima's "Bang" are from the Gun Devil, and this should be a note on the verse page:
Let's go over the basics. As the Control Devil, Makima has shown the ability to control any life form she perceives as lesser than herself. This control is not limited to humans, it extends to devils, fiends, and animals alike. After taking control, she can also use the abilities of those under her influence, whether they are alive or deceased, even if the abilities originate from devils they had contracts with.
Makima’s profile also notes that her powers are passive and extend to everyone she meets, and even to those she controls posthumously. This suggests that she may possess the powers of devils she has never directly encountered or controlled. This is supported by her eventual control of the Zombie Devil, which she only discovered after Denji had killed it, yet it later appears among her controlled minions.
Now, with that in mind, we also know that when facing opponents she cannot or chooses not to immediately control, she will engage them in battle until she proves herself superior to them.
From this we can conclude:
We also know that Makima has the ability to control anything, which allowed her to cultivate the Gun Devil’s power as her own, even altering its size and potency.
Therefore Yoru's 28% of the Gun Devil should scale 8% above Makima's 20% and then some.
Makima’s profile also notes that her powers are passive and extend to everyone she meets, and even to those she controls posthumously. This suggests that she may possess the powers of devils she has never directly encountered or controlled. This is supported by her eventual control of the Zombie Devil, which she only discovered after Denji had killed it, yet it later appears among her controlled minions.
Now, with that in mind, we also know that when facing opponents she cannot or chooses not to immediately control, she will engage them in battle until she proves herself superior to them.
From this we can conclude:
- Makima's control is passive.
- When she is uncertain whether she is superior to her opponent, she will engage them in combat.
- Once she takes control of a devil, she can use that devil’s abilities as her own, even after their death.
We also know that Makima has the ability to control anything, which allowed her to cultivate the Gun Devil’s power as her own, even altering its size and potency.
Therefore Yoru's 28% of the Gun Devil should scale 8% above Makima's 20% and then some.
Now onto the speed scaling, I'll be
Rock Bottom Tiers - Average Human
- Zombies under Akane (Average humans turned into Zombie devils, stagnant the majority of the time)
- Dolls under Pre-Darkness Santa (Average humans turned into dolls)
- Initial Denji (Denji himself could casually behead a fiend before it could strike him in spite of the fiend attacking before him)
- Aki (is able to combat a casual Pre-Enhanced Katana Man, evading all of his attacks & countering them with his own and later is able to, with the use of his precognition, rely on his speed to react and counter attacks from the Ghost Devil, who is comparable to Pre-Enhanced Katana Man in speed, as well as dodging and reacting to attacks from Bomb Girl. Performed identically to Angel against Quanxi, saved Angel from wind speeds that'd kill him)
- Himeno (Possibly; Should be at least comparable to Pre-Assault Aki as his mentor)
- Long (Did her feat)
- Initial Power (At least; Blood would reasonably be more feared than dragons as a concept since it is directly associated with injury, death, violence and disease in real life. Unlike dragons, which are mythical creatures confined to folklore and fiction)
- Cosmo (Is a fiend)
- Fiend Beam (Is a fiend)
- Initial Asa/Yoru (Danced around initial Yuko and could parry her tentacles for a while despite Yuko's advantage in limbs and being able to read her mind. Did her feat. Killed the Carpenter Bee Devil. Worth noting that Asa's usually too clumsy to actually utilize her speed.)
- Initial Yuko (Far faster than Asa and Yoru even while holding back "Justice" Devil contractors who become devils themselves outright compare themselves to Public Safety's contracts; should be semi-comparable to Nail)
- Fox Devil (Should be comparable to Angel as a full fleshed Devil.)
- Angel (As a full-on Special Division devil, he should at least be comparable to the Nail Fiend)
- Post-Training Power (Should similarly have grown in speed like Post-Training Denji after her training with Kishibe, should be reasonably comparable to the Nail Fiend, During Kishibe's training, manages to help land a cut on him with Denji, Leaped out the way of the Gun Fiend's shots at close range)
- Post-Training Denji (Faster than before due to his training with Kishibe, his growth should be comparable to that of Power's)
- Human Reze (At least; Was able to perception blitz Post-Training Denji, slicing through his throat and cutting off his hand in the same slash before he could even react)
- Initial Hybrid Denji (Easily superior to Nail; Generally portrayed to be faster when transformed; being able to dodge attacks from and land attacks before devils such as the Bat Devil could properly react. Able to trade blows with Katana Man and easily blitzed a couple of goons.)
- Bat Devil (Comparable to initial Hybrid Denji's speed, can tag him by throwing cars)
- Peak Yuko (Stronger after being revived by the Death Devil, gave public safety trouble, easily superior to Nail Fiend)
- Post-Training Denji (Confident in his abilities to kill way more devils now, Able to move Beam out the way of the Typhoon Devil's attack, after applying his powers rather than "just swinging his chainsaws around," he was able to immediately tie up Reze before she could react, up to Fighting the Gun Fiend while holding back.)
- Post-Weakening Hybrid Denji (Portrayed to be faster than Post-Training Chainsaw Man, slower than before due to the success of his depowerment. However, still fast enough to dodge all of Post-Revival Yuko's tendrils with ease who, before her revival by Fami, could block crossbow shots. Later saved Asa before the Justice Devil's tendrils could hit them and shown to be fast enough to wall-run and keep up with speeding motorcycles)
- Masked Violence (At least, Saved Aki from Reze's torpedo, which he would've been unable to parry despite his precog. Intercepted Reze's punch.)
- Unmasked Violence (Should be faster due to no longer being suppressed by poisonous gasses)
- Super Chainsaw Man Bike (At least, Displayed to be as fast as Post-Weakening Hybrid Denji)
- Katana Man (Matched Ghost, can match Denji, note that he was exhausted in their previous clash when Denji was weaker)
- Hybrid Reze (Was able to evade the Fox Devil's attacks multiple times and fire an explosive spark at gunmen before they could shoot. Was able to blow Chainsaw Man's arm off before he could pull his rip-cord and completely outsped Chainsaw Man during this fight, initially making him unable to land a hit on her. Aki needed precognition to combat her but still struggled to dodge her attacks)
- Spear (At least, should be comparable to Katana Man)
- Devil Form Beam (At least, Was ridden by Post-Training Chainsaw Man into battle, whom navigated him through multiple of Bomb Girls explosions. Should be noted he can't effectively utilize this speed without a proper equestrian.)
- Ghost Devil (At least, kept up with Katana Man)
- Daytime Santa (Comparable to Post-Training Hybrid Denji, got wrecked by Hybrid Quanxi)
- Dolls under Post-Darkness Santa (Stated to be empowered, can tag Post-Training Hybrid Denji)
- Gun Fiend (At least, Should be comparable to Unmasked Violence given how 20% Gun should be at least comparable to Street Violence. Is able to react to an alarmed Post-Training Chainsaw Man's attacks, one of the faster fiends for his caliber.)
- Princi (Should be stronger than the Mantis Devil because Arachnophobia)
- Hybrid Miri (Comparable to Katana Man)
- 20% Gun Devil (Did his feat)
- Kishibe (At least, the strongest agent in Special Division 4, offscreened Post-Training Hybrid Denji, slightly slower than a casual Quanxi)
- Yoshida (At least, held his own to a casual Quanxi, if Yoshida's 3rd rate then Kishibe's 4th rate)
- Post-Chainsaw Man Church Asa/Yoru's physicals (At least, Superior to the Snake Devil due to the continual rise in fear caused by the Death Devil's plans, which have led Chainsaw Man to become an everyday object of fear on par with sickness and aging, with War correspondingly rising to similar levels of power. Perception-blitzed Yoshida immediately after her speed was amplified, despite not yet being fully adjusted to it. Later fought Quanxi with only one arm alongside the Nail Fiend, though she ultimately lost the exchange)
- Akane w/ Full Snake (Unknown if she can actually summon Snake on this level normally though)
- Kobeni (Easily dodged an attack from, Akane using the Snake Devil to attack her)
- Katana Mans Sword draw dash (Did his feat)
- Human Quanxi (was able to decapitate Post-Enhanced Katana Man in the midst of his sword draw dash)
- Reze's Explosive speed (compared to Katana Man's Quick Draw)
- Whip (On par with Reze's explosive speed)
- Fake Chainsaw Man (Effortlessly parried a shot from Yoru's Gun Gauntlet and managed to avoid another sudden attack from it that he hadn't seen coming, as well as controlling pseudo Chainsaw People / Fire Devil's contractees to block an incoming shot from the Gun Gauntlet)
- Post-Fear Boost Hybrid Denji (Via fear scaling, Much stronger than his prior key's due to the success of Fami's plan of re-empowering Chainsaw Man with fear which caused Chainsaw Man to become an everyday object of fear on par with sickness and aging, aging being later revealed as a devil with the name of a Primal Fear, superior to the Snake Devil, fought Fake Chainsaw Man outsped him every time.)
- Weakened Falling (Easily superior to Post-Fear Boost Denji and Yoru)
- Hybrid Quanxi (At least, could actually fight the Pochita Clone, stronger than Post-Fear Boost Hybrid Denji, but less fearsome)
- Hybrid Quanxi w/ bows (At least, arrows are way faster than herself, capable of shooting dozens before weakened Pochita can close the distance)
- Pochita Clone (At least, Was able to cut off Quanxi's head at the same time she shot him, Able to keep up with Makima in close-quarters-combat for a while)
- Makima (Faster than Hybrid Quanxi, slightly faster than Weakened Pochita)
- Nighttime Santa (At least, Is able to perception blitz Post-Reze Fight Chainsaw Man and is able to catch Quanxi's arrows mid-air and snap them)
- Part 1 Pochita (At least, Blitzed Makima before she could properly react)
- Post-Chainsaw Man Church Yoru w/ Gauntlets (Yoru turned 28% of her child, the Gun Devil, into a gauntlet for her right arm, capable of shooting projectiles on par with the 20% Gun Devil)
- Barem (Dodged Clone Pochita's chains, however was killed by his boosted speed)
- Zombies under Makima (Managed to slow down Pochita Clone as a mob, overwhelmed Blood Devil Power in a group)
- Blood Devil Power (Was able to attack Makima several times before she was could successfully counter-attack)
- 100% Gun Devil attack speed
- Denji-Man (At least, Dodges the spear designed to home in on him several times without much struggle or difficulty)
- Part 2 Pochita (At least, Denji-Man is simply Pochita's body with Denji in control so Pochita would obviously scale to his own body)
- Primal Fears (At least, via Fear Scaling Aging is comparable to Pochita)
Minor issue: Removal of Denji's Post Broadcast key
I propose removing Denji's Post-Broadcast key and merging Katana Man's Part 1 and Part 2 keys.
It is currently argued that Denji became stronger because he was seen fighting devils while wearing a Public Safety Devil Hunter uniform. However, there is no solid reason to assume the general public response to this would be fear. Confusion at most, but not fear. If anything, it would likely be reassuring to the average person, as it implies the government has the situation under control and that a trained, official Devil Hunter is handling the threat. This would be attention and public awareness, not the kind of fear necessary to justify a substantial strength increase through Fear Scaling.
Plus, Denji does not consistently display a fear based boost for the remainder of Part 1. His growth is far more logically explained through Kishibe's training, which directly improves his physical ability and combat performance. Considering who Kishibe is, it is not a stretch for Denji to become significantly stronger through training alone. This is also consistent with the verse, as even humans are shown to gain major increases in strength through training and contracts without needing fear based scaling.
Therefore, Denji's Post Broadcast key should be removed, and his Part 1 progression should instead be attributed to Kishibe's training and general combat experience.
Katana Man having separate Part 1 and Part 2 keys is unnecessary. There is no meaningful justification given for a distinct gap in his stats that would warrant separate keys, and his portrayal does not support a major increase that would require a split.
As such, Katana Man's Part 1 and Part 2 keys should be merged into a single key.
Denji (Post Broadcast)
The justification for Denji receiving a fear based boost after the broadcast is extremely flawed.It is currently argued that Denji became stronger because he was seen fighting devils while wearing a Public Safety Devil Hunter uniform. However, there is no solid reason to assume the general public response to this would be fear. Confusion at most, but not fear. If anything, it would likely be reassuring to the average person, as it implies the government has the situation under control and that a trained, official Devil Hunter is handling the threat. This would be attention and public awareness, not the kind of fear necessary to justify a substantial strength increase through Fear Scaling.
Plus, Denji does not consistently display a fear based boost for the remainder of Part 1. His growth is far more logically explained through Kishibe's training, which directly improves his physical ability and combat performance. Considering who Kishibe is, it is not a stretch for Denji to become significantly stronger through training alone. This is also consistent with the verse, as even humans are shown to gain major increases in strength through training and contracts without needing fear based scaling.
Therefore, Denji's Post Broadcast key should be removed, and his Part 1 progression should instead be attributed to Kishibe's training and general combat experience.
Katana Man (Part 1 and Part 2)
As such, Katana Man's Part 1 and Part 2 keys should be merged into a single key.
Votes
Agree (0:13): @Machmatej (comment), @Bruh (comment), @Alexander (comment), @Zabazab (Disagrees with Fake Chainsaw Man scaling, comment), Me, @Saqphire (comment), @VoidGoji (Believe's 28% Bang should have a "higher" rating, comment), @Mbpoops (comment), @Epiccheev (Disagrees with Sword Draw Dash calc being used and Fake Chainsaw Man scaling, comment), @Pearly0nsams (comment), @Anonymous_Learner (comment), @OhMrKnight (Disagrees with Aki, Himeno and Denji being Average Human, comment), @Sammy818 (Disagrees with American Flag feat, comment)Disagree (0:2): @LIFE_OF_KING (Disagrees with Sword Draw Dash calc being used, American Spear scaling and Fake Chainsaw Man scaling, comment), @Arkenis (Disagrees with Denji-Man being faster than American Spear, comment)
Neutral:
Update: I have decided to revise the scaling after overlooking that many characters already scale to High Hypersonic, so I have made adjustments accordingly. The Nail Fiend's Supersonic feat was not adjusted, so as a result, everyone who scales to it will be pushed down to Subsonic+ from the Dragon Fiend;s feat.
Here is a sandbox preview of how everything will appear on the profiles. Everyone TBD will be rock bottom by default until covered in a separate CRT.
Rock Bottom Tiers - Athletic Human
- Zombies under Akane (Average humans turned into Zombie devils, stagnant the majority of the time)
- Dolls under Pre-Darkness Santa (Average humans turned into dolls)
- Initial Denji (Denji himself could casually behead a fiend before it could strike him in spite of the fiend attacking before him)
- Aki (is able to combat a casual Katana Man, evading all of his attacks & countering them with his own and later is able to, with the use of his precognition, rely on his speed to react and counter attacks from the Ghost Devil, who is comparable to Pre-Enhanced Katana Man in speed, as well as dodging and reacting to attacks from Bomb Girl. Performed identically to Angel against Quanxi, saved Angel from wind speeds that'd kill him)
- Himeno (Possibly; Should be at least comparable to Pre-Assault Aki as his mentor)
- Dolls under Post-Darkness Santa (Stated to be empowered, can tag Post-Training Hybrid Denji)
Bottom Tiers
Dragon Fiend Blocks Bullets: (Mach 0.83)
- Long (Did her feat)
- Cosmo (Comparable to her colleague Long)
- Initial Asa Yoru (Danced around initial Yuko and could parry her tentacles for a while despite Yuko's advantage in limbs and being able to read her mind. Did her feat. Killed the Carpenter Bee Devil. Worth noting that Asa's usually too clumsy to actually utilize her speed.)
- Initial Yuko (Far faster than Asa and Yoru even while holding back "Justice" Devil contractors who become devils themselves outright compare themselves to Public Safety's contracts; should be semi comparable to Nail)
- Fox Devil (Should be comparable to Angel as a full fleshed Devil.)
- Angel (As a full on Special Division devil, he should at least be comparable to the Nail Fiend)
- Post-Training Power (Should similarly have grown in speed like Post-Training Denji after her training with Kishibe, should be reasonably comparable to the Nail Fiend, During Kishibe's training, manages to help land a cut on him with Denji, Leaped out the way of the Gun Fiend's shots at close range)
- Post-Training Denji (Faster than before due to his training with Kishibe, his growth should be comparable to that of Power's)
- Human Reze (At least; Was able to perception blitz Post-Training Denji, slicing through his throat and cutting off his hand in the same slash before he could even react)
- Initial Hybrid Denji (Easily superior to Nail; Generally portrayed to be faster when transformed; being able to dodge attacks from and land attacks before devils such as the Bat Devil could properly react. Able to trade blows with Katana Man and easily blitzed a couple of goons.)
- Bat Devil (Comparable to initial Hybrid Denji's speed, can tag him by throwing cars)
- Peak Yuko (Stronger after being revived by the Death Devil, gave public safety trouble, easily superior to Nail Fiend)
- Post-Weakening Hybrid Denji (At most; Portrayed to be faster than Post-Training Chainsaw Man, slower than before due to the success of his depowerment. However, still fast enough to dodge all of Post-Revival Yuko's tendrils with ease who, before her revival by Fami, could block crossbow shots. Later saved Asa before the Justice Devil's tendrils could hit them and shown to be fast enough to wall run and keep up with speeding motorcycles)
Mid Tiers
20% Gun Devil Speed: (Mach 25.8)
- 20% Gun Devil (Did his feat)
- Kobeni (Easily dodged an attack from, Akane using the Snake Devil to attack her)
- Akane w Full Snake (the Snake Devil is capable of surprising the 20% Gun)
- Kishibe (At least, the strongest agent in Special Division 4, offscreened Post-Training Hybrid Denji, slightly slower than a casual Quanxi)
- Post-Training Denji (At least; Went from getting completely blitzed by Kishibe to managing to land a single hit on him. Gotten faster to where he managed to surprise Katana Man by blocking his Sword Draw Dash, an attack that previously completely blitzed him. Later cuts Katana Man in half during his Sword Draw Dash. Able to move Beam through Bomb Girl's explosions. Dodged the Gun Fiend's shots and even managed to quickly move in front of one to block it Confident in his abilities to kill way more devils now, Able to move Beam out the way of the Typhoon Devil's attack, after applying his powers rather than "just swinging his chainsaws around," he was able to immediately tie up Reze before she could react, up to Fighting the Gun Fiend while holding back.)
- Yoshida (At least, held his own to a casual Quanxi, if Yoshida's 3rd rate then Kishibe's 4th rate)
- Post-Chainsaw Man Church Asa Yoru's physicals (At least, Superior to the Snake Devil due to the continual rise in fear caused by the Death Devil's plans, which have led Chainsaw Man to become an everyday object of fear on par with sickness and aging, with War correspondingly rising to similar levels of power. Perception blitzed Yoshida immediately after her speed was amplified, despite not yet being fully adjusted to it. Later fought Quanxi with only one arm alongside the Nail Fiend, though she ultimately lost the exchange)
- Masked Violence (At least, Saved Aki from Reze's torpedo, which he would've been unable to parry despite his precog. Intercepted Reze's punch.)
- Unmasked Violence (Should be faster due to no longer being suppressed by poisonous gasses)
- Katana Man (Is able to block all of Pre-Training Chainsaw Man's attacks without getting hit once and even managed to land a strike on his torso. Later, was able to match the speed of Post-Training Chainsaw Man, even swiftly landing an uppercut that sent Chainsaw Man to the roof of the train they were on)
- Hybrid Reze (Was able to evade the Fox Devil's attacks multiple times and fire an explosive spark at gunmen before they could shoot. Was able to blow Chainsaw Man's arm off before he could pull his rip cord and completely outsped Chainsaw Man during this fight, initially making him unable to land a hit on her. Aki needed precognition to combat her but still struggled to dodge her attacks)
- Devil Form Beam (At least, Was ridden by Post-Training Chainsaw Man into battle, whom navigated him through multiple of Bomb Girl's explosions. Should be noted he can't effectively utilize this speed without a proper equestrian.)
- Ghost Devil (At least, Faster than Aki, overwhelmed Katana Man albeit mostly due to its huge range and number of limbs advantage. should be superior to Fox)
- Daytime Santa (Able to keep up with Post-Training Chainsaw Man and should be faster than her dolls.)
- Gun Fiend (At least, Should be comparable to Unmasked Violence given how 20% Gun should be at least comparable to Street Violence. Is able to react to an alarmed Post-Training Chainsaw Man's attacks, one of the faster fiends for his caliber.)
High Mid
Katana Man Sword Draw Dash: (Mach 81.48)
- Katana Mans Sword draw dash (Did his feat)
- Human Quanxi (was able to decapitate Post-Enhanced Katana Man in the midst of his sword draw dash)
- Reze's Explosive speed (compared to Katana Man's Quick Draw)
- Whip (On par with Reze's explosive speed)
High Tiers
Makima shoots Pochita Into Space: (Mach 4,603.11) - Characters here are comparable to 28% of the Gun Devil - Mach 4,971.36
- Fake Chainsaw Man (Effortlessly parried a shot from Yoru's Gun Gauntlet and managed to avoid another sudden attack from it that he hadn't seen coming, as well as controlling pseudo Chainsaw People and Fire Devil's contractees to block an incoming shot from the Gun Gauntlet)
- Post-Fear Boost Hybrid Denji (Via fear scaling, Much stronger than his prior key's due to the success of Fami's plan of re empowering Chainsaw Man with fear which caused Chainsaw Man to become an everyday object of fear on par with sickness and aging, aging being later revealed as a devil with the name of a Primal Fear, superior to the Snake Devil, fought Fake Chainsaw Man outsped him every time.)
- Weakened Falling (Easily superior to Post-Fear Boost Denji and Yoru)
- Hybrid Quanxi (At least, could actually fight the Pochita Clone, stronger than Post-Fear Boost Hybrid Denji, but less fearsome)
- Hybrid Quanxi w bows (At least, arrows are way faster than herself, capable of shooting dozens before weakened Pochita can close the distance)
- Pochita Weakened (At least, Was able to cut off Quanxi's head at the same time she shot him, Able to keep up with Makima in close quarters combat for a while)
- Makima (Faster than Hybrid Quanxi, slightly faster than Weakened Pochita)
- Nighttime Santa (At least, Is able to perception blitz Post Reze Fight Chainsaw Man and is able to catch Quanxi's arrows mid air and snap them)
- Part 1 Pochita (At least, Blitzed Makima before she could properly react)
- Post-Chainsaw Man Church Yoru w Gauntlets (Yoru turned 28% of her child, the Gun Devil, into a gauntlet for her right arm, capable of shooting projectiles on par with the 20% Gun Devil)
- Barem (Dodged Clone Pochita's chains, however was killed by his boosted speed)
- Zombies under Makima (Managed to slow down Pochita Clone as a mob, overwhelmed Blood Devil Power in a group)
- Blood Devil Power (Was able to attack Makima several times before she was could successfully counter attack)
Gun Devil Tier
100% = Mach 23,015.55
- 100% Gun Devil attack speed
Top Tiers
American Spear acceleration speed: (1.25c)
- Denji Man (Dodges the spear designed to home in on him several times without much struggle or difficulty)
- Part 2 Pochita (Denji Man is simply Pochita's body with Denji in control so Pochita would obviously scale to his own body)
- Primal Fears (via Fear Scaling Aging is comparable to Pochita)
Votes
Agree (3:1): @Breadbear83 (comment), @Celestial_Pegasus (Accepts scaling as long as calcs are evaluated, Disagrees with Denji Man being faster than the American Spear, comment), @SomebodyData (comment), @AbaddonTheDisappointment(Neutral on American Spear scaling, comment)
Disagree (0:0):
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