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(7-0-0) I Will Save the World With My Magic, No Matter The Cost (Doctor Doom vs Yakagi Suimei)

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So, Marvel Magic is what? 1 layer of 1-A? Most of the other guy's stuff seem to be baseline?
 
But from a glance, Yakagi lacks both Acausality and necessary Time Manipulation to stop Doom resetting time. Although without his machine it might not work after his full defeat.
 
MrKerf said:
So, Marvel Magic is what? 1 layer of 1-A? Most of the other guy's stuff seem to be baseline?
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Marvel Magic is baseline 1-A, scaling to Earth-616 itself.

If you're referring to hax layers, then yes Doom's basic magic hax has 1 layer of 1-A.
 
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But from a glance, Yakagi lacks both Acausality and necessary Time Manipulation to stop Doom resetting time. Although without his machine it might not work after his full defeat.
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I edited the OP to remove the machine.
 
Doctor Doom:
  • Laughably superior AP/Durability, especially with amps and shields
  • More intelligent and experienced (though Yakagi is no slouch in intelligence)
  • Resists the majority of Yakagi's hax
  • Marvel Magic's nonexistent nature makes it impossible for Yakagi to interact with, while the same does not apply to IMWO magic, impressive as it is.
  • Supernatural Willpower cancels out Yakagi's fear aura
  • Superior stamina without Archiatius Overload
  • Less reliance on Magic
  • More varied and versatile arsenal
  • 1 layer of basic magic (concept/info/soul/space-time hax), which lets him get past many of Yakagi's resistances
  • Eye of Agamotto is basically an extra helper

Yakagi:
  • Grand Scale Magicka is a valid wincon due to its layers of concept hax and power null being beyond what Doom can handle
  • Fate Hax
  • Immortality Types 8 & 9
  • Dark Magic is a danger, as its Layered Biological Manipulation and Layered Type 1 Corruption both can't be resisted by Doom
  • Superior stamina with Archiatius Overload
  • Layered Existence Erasure
  • Lacks Doom's ego
  • Resists Doom's Absorption, Power Nullification, and Soul Manipulation
 
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Bump (I can make it normal Doom if SS Doom is too busted, I just wanted to use his new key)
 
I mean, Doom seems to severely outsmart him and he's definetely out-experience'ing a 17yo kid
Is there any fundamental diff between the magic systems that would make this ultra unfair? Because if not, i really think it's enough to say Doom Mid-diffs
 
Yeah I'll give this to Doom high-diff, especially as being a Sorcerer Supreme lets him cast a spell with a thought, so he could easily stop time and/or seal Yakagi before Yakagi can use Grand Magicka or Dark Magic.
 
Would the corruption even stop Dr Doom from reviving through that 1-A plane and stuff?
 
Eseseso said:
What revival?
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The Immortality he has through magic? Astral forms?? Literally what he used to stomp Rick back in their matchup

Don’t say yall gaslighted me in there because I will crashout.
 
ShionAH said:
The Immortality he has through magic? Astral forms?? Literally what he used to stomp Rick back in their matchup

Don’t say yall gaslighted me in there because I will crashout.
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He has Type 2 & 3 magic (low godly regen) via sorcerer supreme magic yes. He can Astral Project but that isn't in-character.

Plus he can always swap minds/souls with Yakagi via mind swap.
 
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He has Type 2 & 3 magic (low godly regen) via sorcerer supreme magic yes. He can Astral Project but that isn't in-character.
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So how does Yakagi win tho? If his only wincon is physical biology hax, according to that thread its in character
 
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So how does Yakagi win tho? If his only wincon is physical biology hax, according to that thread its in character
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Grand Concept Magicka has 2 layers of concept hax and 1 layer of power null, so that is a valid win con since it's beyond what Doom resists.

And his EE has 1 layer while Doom only resists baseline EE.

But I think Doom would strike a winning blow first, especially given his time fuckery.
 
Eseseso said:
Grand Concept Magicka has 2 layers of concept hax and 1 layer of power null, so that is a valid win con since it's beyond what Doom resists.

And his EE has 1 layer while Doom only resists baseline EE.
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Would either of those be able to effect the 1-A plane that also has AE, NEP and etc. of the Astral Form?
 
ShionAH said:
Would either of those be able to effect the 1-A plane that also has AE, NEP and etc. of the Astral Form?
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I mean they could affect his body. The Astral Form can't live for more than 24 hours without a body.
 
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Yeah but Doom can kill them with his Astral Form, I don’t see a wincon ngl
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I mean, Doom has died before and has just flat-out been dead without his Astral Projection coming back, such as in the 2020 Doctor Doom. Once the body dies so does the Astral form, though Doom can invoke the Vishanti to protect his body when he projects.
 
Eseseso said:
I mean, Doom has died before and has just flat-out been dead without his Astral Projection coming back, such as in the 2020 Doctor Doom.
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Then why did he stomp Rick back then with his unavoidable 1-A plane AE, NEP etc. Astral Plane resurrection?

Something isn’t adding up Ese
 
ShionAH said:
Then why did he stomp Rick back then with his unavoidable 1-A plane AE, NEP etc. Astral Plane resurrection?

Something isn’t adding up Ese
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1. The magic page has changed since then and some immortalities were removed (mainly type 6)

2. I don't even remember what other people said, that was a while back. Honestly I'll have to check Rick's hax because if he has something Doom doesn't resist then it's an inconclusive fight since it's a matter of who shoots first (though Sorcerer Supreme Doom has precognition so he cooks Rick)
 
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