TenSura LN Revision - Demons

[Embers_of_Twilight]

Agree with the points brought up by my no. 1 glazer, disagree for a different reason.

Would you look at disss.
Mi Amor acknowledging my existence out of his own accords...

Are we finally getting married or something??

 

[Hecky2222]

Neutral on thread overall cuz I didnt look into args, but I dont think you guys should use Elizhaa's vote before thread even happened. Someone could just report vote manipulation based on this. I think Elizhaa coming there and clarifying own position would be better.

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

Tbh this doesn't change anything. Whether they were born before others or later doesn't make it clear for narrative to use the term "personification". Afterall, if you are darkness itself then there's no need to use personification to define you even if you were the first example from the list.

Fire Spirits for example are made of Fire but they are still called embodiments of their respective attribute, so the argument of word usage doesn't work here.

The main 5 spirits are AE1 embodiments because of the weight of narrative evidences. But the special attributes seems exceptional.

Light and darkness being "special" doesn't mean that specialness refers to their AE. Especially when there are Eight types (which would thus include light and darkness) embodiments as per the scans.

Both the scans the OP out uses "could be" tho. Regardless it's still the same with "can be", just that "could be" is a stronger case for denial.

Both?
There is only one scan about "could be", are you perhaps referring to their 2 different versions (OTL and slimereader)?

Perhaps if this was the only argument in the OP, you could argue against it, but that is clearly not the case. Also, I forgot, but it's already accepted that Demons embody darkness

Abstract Existence (Type 1):

• Law & Concept (Type 1; Attributes are the Laws governing the Principle/Logic of the World, that which preceded existence itself; Elemental Spirits are split off from the Great Spirit of each Attribute, they are Spiritual Lifeforms that embody the laws that governing the world. For instance, Demons are embodying the darkness attribute as they are born from the Great Spirit of Darkness; True Dragons are the Holy Will of Nature and the source of the World, yet True Dragons are also bound by the Attributes as they are associated with them. Spiritual Lifeforms can exist as their conceptual selves, they can retain their form at the end of space and time and are thus unaffected by it)

I don't wank, i only de-wank (for Mg as well, just days ago debunked ACCA5 for Mg).

Cap

This brings me to one question. If other spirits are laws themselves, does that mean these demons are also laws of non-existence ? I would think that ones need that evidence on the plate as well to prove their point.

No. They aren't Laws themselves, they are embodiments of their respective Laws. If I had to be specific, they are its materialized/realizated form:

炎の巨人(イ フ リ ー ト)のような精霊も、こうした物理法則に縛られている。というか、この世の法則の具現化した存在が精霊であり、八属性いるっぽい。

具現化した - Jisho.org

jisho.org

Don't see it's relevance.

People are reincarnated as Demons in the Demon World, so they'd have to go through this process too. Agera, for example. So their form too would be converted to the same composite as the Underworld when they cross worlds.

This can simple be attributed to the fact that these Demons were born from darkness. So they may very well have the affinity towards darkness based places, thereby giving them natural resistances from birth.

That doesn't really work since Void energy cancels out positive existence itself. There's also no reason to assume just a simple affinity grants them total immunity. After all they are forever inside the underworld unless they're summoned outside.

The metric used by Higher SLFs and Demons to resist The Void seems different afterall. Where SLFs uses their immense postive energy, the demons have it by birth due to their affinity towards darkness. Because of this difference in metric, i would personally not use this point to draw a equavalent position for Demons.

There's practically no basis for this other than the argument for NEP itself, so it's a "can be A, can be B".

However, we can conclude its A (that demons are NEP) because that take has more supporting evidence

Are we finally getting married or something??

Don't forget to invite me keke, not missing free food

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

Neutral on thread overall cuz I didnt look into args, but I dont think you guys should use Elizhaa's vote before thread even happened. Someone could just report vote manipulation based on this. I think Elizhaa coming there and clarifying own position would be better.

The response to this is the same as what was told to others above you. The vote clearly also states (in the previous thread) next to it, so anyone can infer what that means by themselves.

Larp more skillfully, fake me

Tho, I'll ask Ciel to move that line to outside the voting area when she wakes up

 

[Hecky2222]

The response to this is the same as what was told to others above you. The vote clearly also states (in the previous thread) next to it, so anyone can infer what that means by themselves.

Formatting makes it look like you are taking votes and " " doesn't help lot. I don't care if you guys use even discord votes personally, I am just saying cuz some of ppl reporting you all even by minor things. So better to avoid unnecessary dramma knowing what happened recently.

Tho, I'll ask Ciel to move that line to outside the voting area when she wakes up

Exactly that would help lot.

Larp more skillfully, fake me

Quite opposite, Corporal, it is you trying to become Hecker through countless regressions and trying to be based like me

 

[Ultimuru]

Since nobody is adding anything, should we call mods?

 

[Elizhaa]

I can get behind nep type 1 scaling from having similar nature the void nature based on the arguments. NEP nature 3 is usually technically is lesser than type 1 and basically arguing they exists in some form which seem incongruent from the void scaling.

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

I can get behind nep type 1 scaling from having similar nature the void nature based on the arguments. NEP nature 3 is usually technically is lesser than type 1 and basically arguing they exists in some form which seem incongruent from the void scaling.

That is fine with me. NEP3 wasn't originally my idea anyways.

 

[Astral_void4]

I agree, Goodbye.

 

[KingTempest]

This is fine

 

[Mizuki67]

Both?
There is only one scan about "could be", are you perhaps referring to their 2 different versions (OTL and slimereader)?

Perhaps if this was the only argument in the OP, you could argue against it, but that is clearly not the case. Also, I forgot, but it's already accepted that Demons embody darkness

No. They aren't Laws themselves, they are embodiments of their respective Laws. If I had to be specific, they are its materialized/realizated form:

Sorry for asking last minute . i wanna ask if this would still mean their AE type 1 would remain or probably not. Otherwise we have to word it properly so that people dont confuse between the 2

(This question is only directed to astral so the others should not reply unless they have anything new to add)

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

Sorry for asking last minute . i wanna ask if this would still mean their AE type 1 would remain or probably not. Otherwise we have to word it properly so that people dont confuse between the 2

(This question is only directed to astral so the others should not reply unless they have anything new to add)

Their AE would remain, for their non-physical form at least

They are "embodiments" of their attribute (let's say, darkness) insofar as that they're made of literal darkness, not just reliant.

Their physical form would be just your average physical body, but demons xan obviously survive without it (well, Imps can't, but imp lvl demons don't have a profile here so it's all good)

 

[DrunkMan04]

Bomp

 

[Berga14]

BUMP!

 

[Berga14]

Bump

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

Nihilistic Bump

 

[Berga14]

Today'sbump:
BUMP

 

[Ciel_Trinity439]

Some steff come only to say no
They don’t come to say yes.

 

[Ultimuru]

 

[RaspberriesRasputin]

Agreed good job

 

[Just a Random Butler]

@Theglassman12 @FinePoint @Random-Helper323 @SomebodyData @Reiner04

Hello!

Sorry for the ping.

Some anonymous source requested me to ask you for your thoughts regarding this.

 

[Ciel_Trinity439]

@Theglassman12 @FinePoint @Random-Helper323 @SomebodyData @Reiner04

Hello!

Sorry for the ping.

Some anonymous source requested me to ask you for your thoughts regarding this.

Thank you, and anonymous person.

 

[Random-Helper323]

The OP seems to make sense at a glance, and though I don't know the verse well, I trust the judgement of Elizhaa and KT.

 

[Ciel_Trinity439]

The OP seems to make sense at a glance, and though I don't know the verse well, I trust the judgement of Elizhaa and KT.

Thank you

 

[Ultimuru]

Some anonymous source requested me to ask you for your thoughts regarding this.

Anonymous source right now:

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

I'll apply this in a bit