Shouldn't Mordekaiser be upgraded to Tier 1C?

In a Q&A conducted by a YouTuber some time ago , Jared Rosen, who wrote Viego's bio, mentioned that Mordekaiser overwhelms Viego.

Crucially, in Mordekaiser's story 'The Final Reign', it is explicitly stated, "Now, he holds the arcane secrets gathered over a second lifetime, wrested from the hidden and unknown places of the world. Few other beings can claim the mastery of spirit, death, and mortal magics that he holds. He will wield them to shape all realms to his iron will." officially acknowledging him as a being who poses a threat to all realms.

Looking at these points, wouldn't it be correct to measure his tier as at least 1C?

Didn't they just reworked their profiles?

AyzVoidX said:

Didn't they just reworked their profiles?

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Viego has changed, but Mordekaiser's base remains the same.

Viego gets more and more powerful during Sentinels of Light and his low 1-C feats happen when he is in that (full power) form, so this statement (which honestly is more like an opinion rather than a fact) would only be talking about base Viego as Sentinels of Light happened after this. And we are already scaling Morde > base Viego.

I didn't have time to watch the whole video you shared, I just glanced at it. If you're referring to the "who wins" part that starts at 6:25, that's the writer's own prediction. It's possible the writer unnecessarily underestimated Viego, a character they created themselves, or overestimated Mordekaiser. After all, writers don't have to know the tier system. If they knew Viego was low 1-C and Mordekaiser was even lower, they would have predicted Viego would win.

In short, unless there's a scene in the story where Mordekaiser defeats Viego or a statement implying he's stronger, I don't think it's right to elevate him.

Yea tldr what was said above already.

If we were to take it as something, it would only be about base Viego as the video was made like, 2 weeks after Viego's release's or so, and over a year before Sentinels of Light which is where the only version of 1-C Viego exists.

But that aside, it is just an opinion from said writer and more importantly, it is neither from official content, nor is it from the Narrative lead at the time, who ultimately holds the most relevant power as things are only canon after they are overseen/allowed by them.

Ozcantabak said:

Viego gets more and more powerful during Sentinels of Light and his low 1-C feats happen when he is in that (full power) form, so this statement (which honestly is more like an opinion rather than a fact) would only be talking about base Viego as Sentinels of Light happened after this. And we are already scaling Morde > base Viego.

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Apollonir.Scale said:

I didn't have time to watch the whole video you shared, I just glanced at it. If you're referring to the "who wins" part that starts at 6:25, that's the writer's own prediction. It's possible the writer unnecessarily underestimated Viego, a character they created themselves, or overestimated Mordekaiser. After all, writers don't have to know the tier system. If they knew Viego was low 1-C and Mordekaiser was even lower, they would have predicted Viego would win.

In short, unless there's a scene in the story where Mordekaiser defeats Viego or a statement implying he's stronger, I don't think it's right to elevate him.

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ShrekAlmighty said:

Yea tldr what was said above already.

If we were to take it as something, it would only be about base Viego as the video was made like, 2 weeks after Viego's release's or so, and over a year before Sentinels of Light which is where the only version of 1-C Viego exists.

But that aside, it is just an opinion from said writer and more importantly, it is neither from official content, nor is it from the Narrative lead at the time, who ultimately holds the most relevant power as things are only canon after they are overseen/allowed by them.

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I beg to differ. Considering that Rise of the Sentinels was actually released before Ruined King, it is highly likely that Jared Rosen was referring to Viego's characterization in Rise of the Sentinels.
Furthermore, as previously mentioned, the lore officially confirms that Mordekaiser poses a threat to 'all realms.' Even in Demon's Hand, it states, 'Reborn, the Iron Revenant would not waste his chance to conquer the world—and worlds beyond it,' strongly implying that he will threaten realms.
Moreover, it is explicitly mentioned that he holds a mastery the power of spirit and death& mortal.

In addition, as you can see from the statement above, it is explicitly mentioned that if Mordekaiser tips the balance between realms enough, he will become an unstoppable

Likewise, Mordekaiser’s own bio even states that he is 'remembered unkindly by the few ancient souls who knew him. For them, the greatest terror would be for Mordekaiser to find his own way to return permanently. It is something they pray will not come to pass, for they know of no way to stop him.'



"It took centuries of planning to seal away that dreadful warmonger--and your pathetic friends intend to defeat him with 'joy'? You foolish girl. You will do nothing but incur the Revenant's wrath--and in doing, risk us all."

- Lord Mallat


" You smile, but I know the truth of your traitorous heart! They smiled to my face and ate from my table, even as they meant to put a sword through my back. I won't be taken for a fool again. You will die like the rest of them: screaming your apology!"

- Bladepierced Revenant

Furthermore, Nilah—who wields the power of the demon Ashlesh, an entity known in LoR cards to have fought celestial beings—embarked on a journey with her companions to confront Mordekaiser. However, far from actually facing Mordekaiser himself, they were depicted in the card art as struggling heavily even against his underlings.


Even after the Rise of the Sentinels event, the official X account openly stated that Mordekaiser absolutely crushes Viego.

Given that both the validated lore and word of Narrative Director consistently portray Mordekaiser as a threat to all realms, placing him in Tier 1-C is completely justified. This is especially true considering his feat of literally creating an entire reality and realm of his own.



This might be a bit off-topic, but even though Vex initially left Viego because she was disappointed by his true motives, Riot dropped a hint at the very end of her champion trailer that she would be tied to Mordekaiser next. Honestly, if Mordekaiser were weaker than Viego, there's no way Riot would have implied that Vex would side with a weaker underdog, rather than choosing someone like Thresh, who absorbed Viego's power. Considering the achievements and lore mentions stated above, it’s highly unlikely Riot will ever portray Mordekaiser as weaker than Viego in future plots.

After all, while Viego gained his power entirely by chance, Mordekaiser—as mentioned in 'The Final Reign'—personally acquired and mastered all the secret knowledge of this world regarding souls, death, and realms during his first resurrection. When it comes to their sheer understanding of manipulating souls and death, they are simply on completely different levels.

Algaron114 said:

I beg to differ. Considering that Rise of the Sentinels was actually released before Ruined King, it is highly likely that Jared Rosen was referring to Viego's characterization in Rise of the Sentinels.

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The statement was made prior to both of them, by someone who didn't work on either and it was his opinion. And to add even more, in the video u send the writer even says Viego will gain power ups as time goes on, so he was not talking about Vex+Ruined Champs mega amped Viego when he said Morde would beat Viego.

Algaron114 said:

Furthermore, as previously mentioned, the lore officially confirms that Mordekaiser poses a threat to 'all realms.' Even in Demon's Hand, it states, 'Reborn, the Iron Revenant would not waste his chance to conquer the world—and worlds beyond it,' strongly implying that he will threaten realms.
Moreover, it is explicitly mentioned that he holds a mastery the power of spirit and death& mortal.

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Even if we take that as a literal one, rather than flowery language and hypeup, it does not by any measure mean celestial realm is one of those which would be the only relevant one. But again its hypeup that should not be stretched to extremes, same way Fiora being the greatest duelist of Valoran doesnt make her the strongest swordfighter ever, above Diana or Leona, but more so compared to those that would be well known around Valoran.

Algaron114 said:

https://itimg.kr/1982/1000025514.jpg In addition, as you can see from the statement above, it is explicitly mentioned that if Mordekaiser tips the balance between realms enough, he will become an unstoppable

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This statement comes from scathlocke who notoriously said twitter comments are opinions.

Algaron114 said:

Likewise, Mordekaiser’s own bio even states that he is 'remembered unkindly by the few ancient souls who knew him. For them, the greatest terror would be for Mordekaiser to find his own way to return permanently. It is something they pray will not come to pass, for they know of no way to stop him.'

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This statement is talking about people like LeBlanc and even then it's not entirely true cause we know Rell is capable of stopping Mordekaiser at least once if he came back, this is just saying if he found a way to return he'll always comeback using that way even if he dies morbillion times.

Algaron114 said:

Furthermore, Nilah—who wields the power of the demon Ashlesh, an entity known in LoR cards to have fought celestial beings—embarked on a journey with her companions to confront Mordekaiser. However, far from actually facing Mordekaiser himself, they were depicted in the card art as struggling heavily even against his underlings.

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No, Ashlesh tried to consume realm of gods and he got beaten and sealed. The cards do not depict any form of struggling all we see is Mordekaiser's goon tied up, and in the other we do not see Nilah at all, it's just one of her crewmates.

Algaron114 said:

Even after the Rise of the Sentinels event, the official X account openly stated that Mordekaiser absolutely crushes Viego.

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This is clearly the account being sarcastic and posing as a Mordekaiser follower "Our Lord will crush it", to promote his LoR card. Also the same account posts stuff like these;




Apparently Elder Dragon makes convos burn in envy but he gets ridden like a dog by tryndamere, or this



Apparently Akshan, Sett, Twisted Fate and Jhin was chilling in Shurima at some point in time.



Apparently Elder Dragon and Asol arguing about who was the bigger dragon wiped out the Riot's irl images.

Not to mention the literal channel reposts fanart and similar stuff, these statements are irrelevant.
But even if we take it as litterall this would be only be talking about a post sentinels of light/sealed Viego, the same guy who lost his mist powers, was rejected by Isolde (his love for isolde is one of his power source) and got one tapped by Gwen with no counterplay.

Algaron114 said:

This might be a bit off-topic, but even though Vex initially left Viego because she was disappointed by his true motives, Riot dropped a hint at the very end of her champion trailer that she would be tied to Mordekaiser next. Honestly, if Mordekaiser were weaker than Viego, there's no way Riot would have implied that Vex would side with a weaker underdog, rather than choosing someone like Thresh, who absorbed Viego's power. Considering the achievements and lore mentions stated above, it’s highly unlikely Riot will ever portray Mordekaiser as weaker than Viego in future plots..

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Vex picked Viego cause she thought he could bring her death+she liked him, not because he was the strongest he literally was far from it BEFORE she amped him.

Algaron114 said:

After all, while Viego gained his power entirely by chance, Mordekaiser—as mentioned in 'The Final Reign'—personally acquired and mastered all the secret knowledge of this world regarding souls, death, and realms during his first resurrection. When it comes to their sheer understanding of manipulating souls and death, they are simply on completely different levels.

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This is completely irrelevant Mordekaiser could train a billion times harder than Viego and be morbillion times more skilled, this would not prove he is more powerful than him. This is like saying Batman is stronger than Superman cause he trained to become super human while superman was born super.

Ozcantabak said:

The statement was made prior to both of them, by someone who didn't work on either and it was his opinion. And to add even more, in the video u send the writer even says Viego will gain power ups as time goes on, so he was not talking about Vex+Ruined Champs mega amped Viego when he said Morde would beat Viego.

Even if we take that as a literal one, rather than flowery language and hypeup, it does not by any measure mean celestial realm is one of those which would be the only relevant one. But again its hypeup that should not be stretched to extremes, same way Fiora being the greatest duelist of Valoran doesnt make her the strongest swordfighter ever, above Diana or Leona, but more so compared to those that would be well known around Valoran.

This statement comes from scathlocke who notoriously said twitter comments are opinions.

This statement is talking about people like LeBlanc and even then it's not entirely true cause we know Rell is capable of stopping Mordekaiser at least once if he came back, this is just saying if he found a way to return he'll always comeback using that way even if he dies morbillion times.

No, Ashlesh tried to consume realm of gods and he got beaten and sealed. The cards do not depict any form of struggling all we see is Mordekaiser's goon tied up, and in the other we do not see Nilah at all, it's just one of her crewmates.

This is clearly the account being sarcastic and posing as a Mordekaiser follower "Our Lord will crush it", to promote his LoR card. Also the same account posts stuff like these;




Apparently Elder Dragon makes convos burn in envy but he gets ridden like a dog by tryndamere, or this



Apparently Akshan, Sett, Twisted Fate and Jhin was chilling in Shurima at some point in time.



Apparently Elder Dragon and Asol arguing about who was the bigger dragon wiped out the Riot's irl images.

Not to mention the literal channel reposts fanart and similar stuff, these statements are irrelevant.
But even if we take it as litterall this would be only be talking about a post sentinels of light/sealed Viego, the same guy who lost his mist powers, was rejected by Isolde (his love for isolde is one of his power source) and got one tapped by Gwen with no counterplay.

Vex picked Viego cause she thought he could bring her death+she liked him, not because he was the strongest he literally was far from it BEFORE she amped him.

This is completely irrelevant Mordekaiser could train a billion times harder than Viego and be morbillion times more skilled, this would not prove he is more powerful than him. This is like saying Batman is stronger than Superman cause he trained to become super human while superman was born super.

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The champion's bio and story should be taken literally. If we go by the logic that the statements here are just "exaggerations," then the achievements of almost any champion—including Bard and Aurelion Sol—could be dismissed as mere hyperbole and invalidated. If we do that, most character feats documented on the wiki would have to be invalidated.

Furthermore, several feats listed in wiki powerscaling are merely comments made by writers; they haven't been officially verified or featured in-game, in shows, or in official stories. So, if we follow your logic, all of those could just be considered invalid and stripped away as well.

At the very least, we should take feats explicitly described in official media like bios and short stories at face value.

To reiterate, this is brought up again in the in-game mini game 'Demon's Hand'. Riot has explicitly stated multiple times that Mordekaiser is a threat to the realms.

As for Fiora being the "greatest duelist," that specific phrase no longer exists in her current bio or story.

Vex didn't see Viego as someone who would bring her death; rather, she saw him as someone capable of destroying the entire world by filling it with oblivion and misery. It’s explicitly stated right there in Vex's bio that she was executing a plan with Viego to turn the world into a wasteland.

Furthermore, as her bio goes on to show, Vex's true goal was to strip the world of all happiness, whereas Viego's actual motive was simply to resurrect his dead wife. Vex only left him once she realized this contradiction. If you actually look at her bio, it's clear that she didn't like Viego for his face or his body from the start. As I already mentioned, she liked him because he promised to destroy the world and possessed the power to do so through the Black Mist.

Naturally, Vex would side with whoever is stronger, because a more powerful entity would be much better at ruining the world. Yet, in that video, Vex openly implies that she would side with Mordekaiser rather than Thresh—even though Thresh is currently powerful enough to easily overwhelm all the Sentinels who defeated Viego during the Rise of the Sentinels. This clearly shows she judges Mordekaiser to be the stronger entity, the one far more capable of bringing about the end of the world.
If Viego had been the stronger one, Riot would have used Thresh—who has now absorbed all of Viego's power—to drop hints about the future storyline, not Mordekaiser.

The comment regarding Rell was also made by Jared Rosen in a Riot report. I don't understand why you dismiss other comments, such as Goulding's statements, as meaningless while cherry-picking this specific one as valid.

On the LoL Wiki, whether it's from X or Reddit, writer statements are universally accepted as canon unless they contradict subsequently updated official lore. Even here on the Battle Wiki, we utilize statements from writers who contributed to the work to scale characters.

Again, he didn't just "acquire the knowledge"; the official story explicitly states that he mastery it, and it is clearly written that the mastery powers gained through this knowledge are at a level that threatens all realms.