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  1. Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan

    John Wick calcs

    John Wick's 9-B calcs are no longer valid since we don't use glass destruction values anymore. Are there any feats worth calculating that could be well into 9-B?
  2. Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan

    CW Deathstroke vs MCU Daredevil

    Deathstroke is 9-B+ now so this works. 13.7 megajoules vs 10.5 megajoules Speed equalized, standard battle assumptions, 9-B+ versions. Deathstroke: 0 Daredevil: 3 (Soma_King, Lacku, StekFence) Inconclusive: 0
  3. Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan

    Hawkeye vs Kingpin (MCU) 2 MORE VOTES

    The fight we were robbed of in the Hawkeye finale. Round 1 Hawkeye with his standard arrows vs Kingpin (Kingpin has prior knowledge of the capabilities of Hawkeye's arrows), Round 2 Ronin outfit vs Kingpin Speed equalized, standard battle assumptions Hawkeye scales to 4.09 megajoules while...
  4. Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan

    CW Green Arrow vs Nolan Batman

    MCU street tiers are too strong for Green Arrow but I didn't realize this was a perfect match AP wise. Idk if the arrows would give Oliver too much of an advantage, I'll change it to someone like Deathstroke if so. Speed equalized, they have knowledge of how each other fight but not sufficient...
  5. Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan

    CW Flash Revision

    Since the Supergirl revisions aren't going to start anytime soon without Greenshifter, I'm bringing this up. Alright this is going to be painful. Let's start with the minor stuff first, shall we? Season 7 and 8 keys Who the **** even watches the show at this point? So, like a lot of people I...
  6. Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan

    Nobu vs Kingpin (MCU Daredevil)

    Thought this would be an interesting fight. Although Nobu beat Daredevil and Daredevil beat Kingpin, I feel like it isn't simple A>B>C scaling as they each have their own advantages and disadvantages. Kingpin doesn't have the agility or endurance of Daredevil but he does have his armoured tuxedo...
  7. Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan

    DCEU Street Tier Upgrades (Peacemaker spoilers)

    https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan/White_Dragon_feats_(Peacemaker) I'm iffy on them scaling to White Dragon's full blast since Peacemaker only took an amplified punch, but the first calc should scale. Now they can fight Marvel street tiers.
  8. Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan

    Minor Yondu downgrade

    Yondu Udonta should just be 8-C at best. Star-Lord is just "at most 8-C" only, and Yondu was never really implied to be physically far stronger than him as the page claims, at least not on the level of Drax or Groot, his reputation is mostly due to the Yaka Arrow. Also, I think we might as...
  9. Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan

    Hawkeye CRT (edit: basically a Netflix MCU revision thread now lol)

    About time we've made a CRT for the Hawkeye TV show. So firstly people made a some calculations for different Hawkeye arrows, the highest one being the helicarrier one in the first Avengers movie. Kingpin also has a 9-A feat now There seem to be conflicting reports on whether Kingpin is...
  10. Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan

    MCU Daredevil vs CW Green Arrow

    Have been rewatching both shows 9-B, speed equalized, standard conditions Daredevil: 7 (UchihaSlayer96, Mariogoods, Maverick_Zero_X, Transcending, Coolboy6, Rez, Peppersalt43) Green Arrow: 0 Inconclusive: 0
  11. Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan

    Winter Soldier vs Yang Guo

    This might actually work with the comic version, since Bucky's arm is baseline 8-C so not enough to one-shot, while Yang Guo is physically stronger. Yang Guo has a lot of the chi and pressure point bullshit from Chinese martial arts, but Bucky is an insanely skilled martial artist himself too...
  12. Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan

    MCU Black Panther's Durability

    https://vsbattles.com/threads/mcu-falcon-captain-america-crt.128396/ Apparently in this thread we said that all vibranium is equal. However, the reason Black Panther is not listed as 6-C (btw the 8-B rating is outdated should be 8-A) is that the vibranium protection he wears is just laced onto...
  13. Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan

    A contradictory calc guidelines: Large Size rules vs KE rules

    Came across this when evaluating some calcs. On the Large Size Calculations page, it is said that the old method of upscaling speed from size is invalid and either use GBE or the speed the character actually shows on screen. However, the Kinetic Energy standards we have at the moment says we...
  14. Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan

    DC Street Tier Speed Revision

    Can't believe this has yet to be fixed, but the MHS calcs for DC Comics are straight up wrong and have been known to be wrong for like 2 years. https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan/DC_Speed_Feats_Recalculations_%2B_New_Calculations Calculations to pick from...
  15. Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan

    MCU Iron Man Downgrade

    https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan/Iron_Man_pushes_a_helicarrier_rotor_recalc?commentId=4400000000001050309 I only recently noticed this comment and I agree, a slight downgrade from 8-A to 8-B+
  16. Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan

    Lord of the Rings revisions

    The current Lord of the Rings 6-B rating comes from the feat of Osse lifting Elenna-nore: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Amelia_Lonelyheart/Middle-earth:_Osse_raises_Elenna-nórë The calculation uses gravitational potential energy. However, per our revised rules after a revision a...
  17. Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan

    DCEU Feat Collection

    This has been for a long time but applying Karathen's full KE as the strength of Aquaman (and the DCEU top tiers in general) is wack. But before the revision thread I want everyone interested to help find feats that can possibly replace that one. So far I have (potential outliers included)...
  18. Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan

    Real World Animal Revisions

    This was semi-brought up before, but anyway, the way we currently rate animals is rather inaccurate. First thing is that their bite force/pressure can't really be quantified meaningfully in terms of AP, hence I changed it all to "higher with piercing damage" instead (already implemented); the...
  19. Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan

    Civil War 3: Iron Man vs Captain America

    Iron Man (Marvel Cinematic Universe) vs Captain America (Marvel Comics) Mark 2-5 Iron Man vs Captain America 1.91 tons vs 0.52 tons, speed equalized, battle takes place in the HYDRA Siberian Facility in Civil War, shield restricted, other than that SBA Loved 3000: 7 (Zark2099, MrKerf, Lord...
  20. Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan

    Marvel street tier upgrades

    This has been coming for a long time, upgrading Captain America to 8-C would be more consistent for scaling. After several months of finding and calculating, I have calculated a 0.52 ton feat for John Walker. Steve Rogers is weaker, but still scales. After consulting Ant and Zark, I have made...
  21. Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan

    Minor Karnak Revision

    I think we're capable of ending this before 14/4. Basically, Karnak is inconsistent af, and comics like to wank martial arts stuff, hence his pressure points and other martial arts things can harm 4-B people and are extremely inconsistent. My suggestion would be to make him 9-A base strength...
  22. Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan

    Boba Fett vs Captain America

    This might actually be fair. Canon Boba Fett vs MCU Star-Lord Captain America. Canon Boba Fett, 8-C Captain America, full gear with all weapons, speed equalized, fight takes place in Tatooine, other than that Standard Battle Assumptions Aaaaaaaah: Dance off America's ass: Inconclusive:
  23. Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan

    Possible Jango Fett upgrade

    In the last thread, we discussed the possibility of Legends Jango Fett being upgraded to Relativistic (scaling to fodder Jedi) or FTL (scaling to Obi-Wan/AOTC Windu). To be continued here.
  24. Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan

    (grace) Lu Bu vs Velociraptor

    Prime Lu Bu vs Velociraptor, Standard Battle Assumptions, Lu Bu has his Red Hare horse as well as his trident halberd Lu Bu: 7 (Mariogoods, Jasonsith, ChemistKyle89, Wokistan, Armorchompy, I am myself You are you, Jaften) Velociraptor: Inconclusive:
  25. Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan

    Mark 6-42 Iron Man Lifting Strength Upgrade

    Mark 6-42 to Iron Man should scale to Class 100 too, as he scales to Ultron who grappled with Captain America.
  26. Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan

    Final Cleansing of Marvel Handbook Scaling: First Batch

    It's time to end this once and for all. There are still quite a number of profiles that uses the old Marvel handbook scaling. I have already revised a number of them, as well as improved the justifications for some. However there are still some handbook scaling left on the Marvel profiles: Fin...
  27. Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan

    Problem with Celestial Body Feats

    Problem Currently, we are allowed to calculate the KE for celestial body feats, but when it surpasses light speed we use the gravitational binding energy of the celestial body instead. The problem is, when you move a planet close to light speed, it actually gets a higher AP than moving a planet...
  28. Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan

    AOTC Obi-Wan vs TPM Qui-Gon Jinn

    ROTS Obi-Wan vs Qui-Gon is a bit unfair imo, plus we might upgrade him if our revisions are successful, so let's try AOTC Obi-Wan vs Qui-Gon. Standard Battle Assumptions, battle takes place at the Naboo Theed power generator. Legends versions. Obi-Wan: Qui-Gon: 1 (BruceTheBatman) Inconclusive:
  29. Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan

    Modern Drax the Destroyer

    Shouldn't modern Drax also be 4-B due to fighting Thor and fighting Hulk?
  30. Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan

    Albus Dumbledore Upgrade

    Albus Dumbledore without the Elder Wand covered London in a fog, which I calculated to be 7-C (Environmental Destruction). This only scales to Gellert Grindelwald with the Elder Wand, who is his nigh-equal. Doesn't scale to anyone else.
  31. Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan

    Original Superman Upgrade

    https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/References_for_Common_Feats#Destroying_a_Skyscraper Destroying a skyscraper is Multi-City Block level+ to Small Town level+. He should be upgraded.
  32. Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan

    Mythology Heracles/Hercules Downgrade

    Heracles/Hercules is currently rated as 6-C for holding up the sky. However, unlike the Riordanverse, the sky was not dropped onto him. He simply took the weight from Atlas, then tricked Atlas into taking the sky back. As we agreed a while ago, lifting strength does not scale to attack potency...
  33. Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan

    Whiplash's Rating

    Right now we rate him as "unknown", because he's too inconsistent as he fights both Cap and Iron Man. However instead of removing all his ratings, why don't we put him as "At least Small Building level, at most Multi-Continent level"? I know it's a big gap, but it's better than nothing.
  34. Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan

    Marvel Ares Upgrade

    We scale Ares to Iron Man despite the fact that they never fought. However, feats and evidence points towards him being in Thor's league instead of Iron Man's. You can take a look at this respect thread. Some feats taken from it: Matches Hercules Grapples with Thor Harms Sentry Matches...
  35. Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan

    (grace) Rhino vs Juggernaut

    Rhino (Marvel Comics) vs Juggernaut (X-Men Film Series), speed equalized, standard battle assumptions. Rhino is 7.98 tons, Juggernaut upscales from 9.63 tons. Rhino: 2 (Schnee One, Abstractions) Juggernaut: 7 (Dinobot1996, Zark2099, Jimboydejuan12, EnnardTrap1987, TheRustyOne, Ionliosite...
  36. Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan

    (1 more vote) Master Chief vs MCU Captain America 3rd rematch

    8-C versions, anything offensive weapon higher than 8-B is restricted, speed equalized, SBA Round 1: Hand-to-hand combat Master Chief: 8 (Drite77, XSOULOFCINDERX, Sir Ovens, CalebTB12, Jimboydejuan12, Ionliosite, Hellbeast1, I'm Blue daba dee daba die) Captain America: 0 Inconclusive: 0...
  37. Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan

    Winter Soldier Lifting Strength (MCU)

    I have calculated Bucky crushing Iron Man's gauntlet to be Class 100, around 10 tonnes stronger than Captain America's feat. Problem is who scales to this feat. I have discussed with a few people, and most seem to agree Spider-Man scales. Captain America is...inconsistent. He sometimes...
  38. Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan

    Captain America wrestles a dog 2.0

    This time it's EMH Captain America against Fenris from the MCU. Cap 2.0: 1 Dog 2.0: 0 Inconclusive: 0
  39. Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan

    Thor (Riordanverse) vs Thor (Mangaverse)

    SBA, speed equalized Riordanverse: Mangaverse: Inconclusive:
  40. Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan

    Our 25 000th page

    Made by Sir Ovens, eh
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