A Disastrous Revision Appears! The Novel Revision!

[Edutyn]

So the novel was accepted back as canon here. And it was requested to revert the changes until everything is evaluated here.

So let's get started!

Blog with the changes

First: Visual​

Changed the images of Kusuo (Anime) and Kuriko to have full body images. Also a quote was added. Nicknames added

Second: Power & Abilities Reorganization​

Shion and I thought it would be more practical to organize the P&A according to whether the skills are Passive, Thought, Touch or Gesture.

Third: Stats​

AP: At least Low 5-B physically, 2-A with Psy Energy, possibly 'far higher | At least Low 5-B physically, 2-A with Psy Energy, possibly far higher | At least 5-B physically, 2-A with Psy Energy, possibly far higher

Reason: Explanation. Then 4-D, or 5-D if R>F is accepted.

Dura: Planet level (Somewhat tanked attacks from his alternate version even though his alternate version removed his limiters) | At least Planet level | At least Large Planet level (States that without its limiters, he becomes 100 times stronger)

LS: Class E physically (Was able to lift a plane without much effort, moved a typhoon using his arms) At least Class Z possibly Stellar with Telekinesis (He was about to move the sun, said he can easily lift an entire ship, was able to lift the Roppongi Hills Mori Tower without much effort as a child, can casually stop a meteorite, able to retain his alternate version which is 100 times stronger without the limiter) | Class E physically, At least Class Z possibly Stellar with Telekinesis | Class Z physically, Class Z possibly Stellar with Telekinesis (States that without its limiters, he becomes 100 times stronger)

Speed: FTL (Saiki can casually run at the speed of light,[90][Translation 2] he flew across the continent to America and was able to eat a coffee bean jelly in 6 milliseconds before it could hit the floor) | At least FTL | At least Massively FTL (States that without its limiters, he becomes 100 times stronger, he also becomes much faster than before)

Stamina: Superhuman (Repeatedly used his powers over 13000 times in a six second loop) | Superhuman | Superhuman, possibly Infinite (He stated that if he removed his limiters, he could start to teleport and fight for eternity against his alternate version, Infinite for his soul (Toritsuka explains that ghosts are not hungry or tired)

Range: Same as AP

Intelligence: Explained in the blog

Fourth: "New" Abilities & Resistences​

Passives:

• Accelerated Development, Reactive Evolution (Passive; Physical Statistics, Intelligence, Abilities: Saikis power, abilities and intelligence grows in a rapid rate. It grows so fast that he had to put these limiters on to limit his power, however, the limiters do not stop his powers from continuing to grow or to develop new abilities and resistances. Although in the dream world Saiki is not able to use his powers, he managed to use them to wake up. It was stated that no attack or trick can work on him twice.Saiki can also gain abilities from the readers of his manga that are called supreme observers that see the world as fiction)
• Removed Limited for Acausuality (I believe that as explained the ability should be sufficient to remove the Limited.)
• Plot Manipulation (Saiki stated that his first manga before serialization along with the novel were his own doing and that he was the one who wrote them. As the main protagonist he can passively alter the narrative) Explanation 2)

Tought:

• Power Nullification (3 Layers, Even though Alternate was similar to our Kusuo, who resisted Kusuke's 2 limiters, Kusuo was still able to completely cancel his abilities and skills)
• Space-Time Manipulation, Energy Manipulation, Immersion (Equal to the energy of "Sight", which can bring characters, weapons from other worlds, infiltrate a novel, able to make the boundaries of the universes confused.Able to unite 2 worlds, Using the energy they createda distortionequal to that made by "Sight" energy)
• Transmutation (It was implied that he can turn a shoe into a steak if he wanted to)
  • Sealing (He planned to fuse the Alternate Saiki with the ground)
• Purification (Type 3, He claims to be able to eliminate any virus from his body)

Gesture:

• Sleep Manipulation (Similar to his alternative version that used a baby rattle to put him to sleep and became the Saiki Kusuo of the original world)

Resistance:

• Supernatural Luck (Saiki, along with all the others, has a Guardian Spirit that protects him from disasters since birth. In case of not having one or if the guardian spirit is vague, the person will experience extreme bad luck ranging from stepping in poop, getting hit by a hearse,being hit by a meteorite or even death)

There are other changes, but those are explanations of abilities from the novel. So it doesn't change much


Please let's keep this a calm and friendly discussion.

Count:

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Neutral:

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[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Since you participated in the last thread @Dereck03 @Catzlaflame

And those that accepted the novel as canon @Duedate8898 @DarkDragonMedeus @ActuallySpaceMan42

Finally, those that were on the original tier 1 thread for Psy energy @Andytrenom @Maverick_Zero_X

Also, @DontTalkDT since you rejected couple abilities in the past.

 

[DontTalkDT]

Gotta find time to make this non-canon again... or make J-Star Victory VS canon as it actually has better evidence lol

Sight Energy is not 4D or 5D or anything. It's a power used to portal between universes which is also how it's used in battle. Saiki is noted to not actually be able to do even that alone with his power.
It coming from "readers" in no way makes it anything. Even assuming we accepted those as Tier 2/1 beings (they don't have the feats for that; they just exist in a 4th wall sense) Sight Energy is something generated from their emotions. It's not proportionally related to the power of readers. Not to mention that all users only channel it. Channeling some tiny amount of power from someone doesn't put you on their level.
Sight also didn't fuse universes in any literal sense, it only made some characters appear.

Here's the only fight of someone using Sight for battle. It also includes a practical demonstration of how connecting worlds just summons things and shows how using up a whole years worth of Sight energy amounts to little more than summoning a few people.

“It’s energy that exists in a completely different dimension from superpowers. I’m sure it must be hard to conceptualize. A full explanation of ‘sight’ energy would be too complicated, so for now, allow me to answer why I’m here in the first place. As the novelization progressed, this world has been shifting off-axis little by little. I used this ‘sight’ energy to infiltrate this novel and come to this world. Though I was caught and questioned by the police at first. Then I let one year go by, and that’s how we got here.”

This newly-serialized story’s protagonist just admitted that he’s been arrested by the police. Is everyone alright with that?

“That’s right, didn’t you notice several of Asou’s characters sprinkled throughout this world? They were part of a ritual of sorts. I used the ‘sight’ energy to make the boundaries between universes hazy. And then put all of those worlds together once I had gathered enough energy. There might be characters from all sorts of universes hiding in plain sight everywhere!” he says and then laughs maniacally.

“So that’s ‘sight’ energy!”

Haganeno grabs some chains off the floor. At the other end, there’s a spiky wrecking ball. We look at it and take a fighting stance.

Where was he hiding a weapon that huge in the first place? Not to mention neither Saiki Kusuo nor I could foresee that he’d be fighting us with a weapon.

“I’ve summoned a weapon from my world. Justice Iron Tornado Ball!!”

He raises his voice, and then starts waving the giant steel ball over his head.

Justice Iron Tornado Ball is a weapon that Haganeno uses in “Our Hero Studies”.

This giant amount of energy that makes the boundaries between worlds hazy also allowed him to summon his weapon with ease. That’s troublesome.

“Ha ha ha!! Dieee!! You pieces of trash!!”

Haganeno throws his steel ball at us while shouting a very non-heroic line.

An unknown weapon in an unknown world. Things will get even worse if he starts pulling out even more weapons from his world. Well, I guess I could stop this steel ball with just one finger, though. I point my index finger at the mass of steel flying at us. I’m not worried about my finger at all, of course. The moment it’s about to touch the steel ball, it stops mid-air.

(Actually, we can stop it without even touching it.)

Says Saiki Kusuo standing beside me as he uses his psychokinesis.

Well, you’re right.

The ball in front of me is still floating mid-air. Then it returns right to Haganeno with aggressive speed.

However, your body can get weaker if you don’t move every once in a while, you know?

I say with a slight smile.

“Ouuuuch! The spikes hurt!!” screams Haganeno in pain, taking the blunt strike of the steel ball. However…

“That hurts, you bastards! What do you think you’re doing?!”

His wounds start healing immediately. What a lively guy.

“Ugh, I knew I had no chance against an esper on my own…” spits out Haganeno.

“Weapons aren’t enough. I need more people.”

Don’t tell me you can even summon people from your world…?!

“Precisely! Come over, characters from ‘Our Hero Studies’!”

He opens his arms and smirks.

Suddenly, the air behind Haganeno starts getting distorted, and from the distortion, a beam of light I had never seen before appears. Ripples start spreading in a circular pattern, and then out of nowhere, an entire city appears in front of me.

“I’m connecting both worlds! This is the power of ‘sight’!”

Dark clouds start forming surrounding Haganeno. Our surroundings get dark as night, and we’re enveloped in an unpleasant aura. An ominous wind starts blowing.

“Hahahahahaha!! Rejoice as the characters from 'Our Hero Studies’ start pouring into this world! This world will soon be overtaken by “

'Our Hero Studies’! And then Saiki Kusuo will be no more than an extra character! Will he be able to survive until the end? Who knows?! This is Asou’s All-Star Battle to the death!” Haganeno announces loudly as his cape flutters in the ominous wind.

“Ha ha ha… And it’s not just this novelization… I’ll take over the volumes and eventually chapters in the Weekly Shonen Jump as well! Next week’s issue won’t have ‘The Disastrous Life of Saiki Kusuo’ in it, but ‘My Hero Studies’!”

Watch the title!

Haganeno laughs loudly without noticing he got the name of his own series wrong. I guess he has internalized the mistake, despite me emphasizing that it should be Our.

“Let me teach you a lesson, you serialized Jump bastards! I’m back!!”

The world keeps distorting due to the power of ‘sight’. The rumble everywhere gets even louder and snappier.

What a disaster. Haganeno has a strong final boss vibe to him. I don’t think I’ve ever met someone like that so far. Is it really okay for a protagonist like him to become a final boss in the first place? Aren’t you treating your protagonists too harshly?

“Bwahahaha… Bwahahahaha!! Eh? …. Huh?”

Haganeno turns around to check the world’s distortion. Everything’s distorted and rumbling, but no one’s coming over. Eventually even the sound effects stop altogether. It’s quiet.

The first one to break the silence with a deafening scream is Haganeno himself.

“Whaaaat?! Why isn’t anybody coming over?! Why?! Come!!”

Haganeno starts punching the distortion like someone who’s trying to punch a broken TV back in shape. The surface ripples along. Wait, you can just touch it like normal?

Haganeno starts bickering, clearly frustrated.

“Damn it!! Why isn’t anyone showing up?! Why?! What happened to Buffalo Crap Island?! And Shigeru-kun the doll?! What about the guy with the beat board?! Show up already!!”

I don’t really get it, but he seems to be calling out for some strange people. He didn’t even call the last guy by his name, so I guess that’s how important of a character he is. If the recollection of the “Our Hero Stories” readers is correct, his choices were a big gamble.

“This is bullshit!! Come on out already!! I’ll break your damn teeth!!”

Haganeno starts kicking the world’s distortion. More importantly, what even is that distortion in the first place? It’s behaving like some stolen front door you’d find on the black market.

As this clearly demonstrates, this man has no friends whatsoever.

And then finally someone shows up beyond the rippling surface.

“No one in Asou’s world supports your plan, man.”

A young man’s shadow says from the other side. He seems to be young.

“Huh?! What did you just say? I’ll drag you here and kill you!”

Haganeno starts blurting out lines more fitted for a random bad-guy extra.

The shadow eventually comes into full view. It really was a young man. He’s a highschool student… no, probably a college student. His hair is long and stretches to his shoulders, his face is clean and there’s a cross-shaped pendant hanging over his neck. He’s dressed like a Visual Kei fan. An outfit like that would look off on a regular person, but his slender and fit body makes it look quite cool. His eyes are a little rough, but he’s still a man you’d call good-looking. I could believe it if you told me he’s an idol.

The man introduces himself.

“Hmph… My name is Ruchi. I’m a super idol in the 'Legendary Idol New Generation: Kanata Seven Change’ universe.”

He raises his hand and gives a friendly smile.

However, now taking another look as an outsider… We have a hero, an idol, an esper, and universal chaos. Not to mention that I’m currently in my female form.

“I’ve come here because I won’t let you do as you please, Haganeno!” he says, and then strikes a clearly planned pose. Good grief… first Haganeno and now this guy.

“I cannot overlook your attempt to take over Saiki’s world, 'Kanata’s’ protagonist!”

You liar. What about the idol actually named “Kanata”?

By the way, these are his thoughts as he says that line.

(A world of heroes? You must be kidding me. I’ll use the power of ‘sight’ to turn this world into one that adores me… Ha ha ha…)

Ruchi is this kind of backhanded guy. He puts up a friendly face for his fans and comrades, but behind closed doors he’s a selfish and self-indulgent person. Besides, I hear that he got fired by his manager recently, so he’s more of a former idol.

Haganeno shouts aggressively at Ruchi, “Don’t get involved, you brat! Who even are you?! Where did you come from?!”

However, Ruchi responds in a calm manner.

“Hm! Allow me to introduce myself again… I am Ru—”

“Shut up!!”

Haganeno kicks Ruchi in the face, and so Asou’s All Star Battle begins. However, it ends immediately. Ruchi collapses back into the distortion with a shriek. I said he was a backhanded guy, but it seems like he isn’t going to be back, since he couldn’t even defeat Haganeno…

He got fired by his manager, and he probably only showed up because he was the most desperate out of Asou’s character roster. As a neutral party to all of this, how characteristic of him. Well, I guess he still cares about his fans, and he’s kind of a good guy with a strong will, so in the end I think we might see him again. Maybe.

“Huff… huff… damn it… no one respects me…” Haganeno mutters, enraged and out of breath. The distortion then vanishes right in front of him, without even making a sound.

“Huh…?”

Haganeno opens his mouth in disbelief.

At some point the dark clouds dissipated, and turned into a blue sky. The ominous wind also disappeared. The sunlight shines and little birds are singing. It’s a scenery straight out of a picture.

Haganeno turns pale.

“Huh? Wait… No way…? No… All the ‘sight’ I gathered for a year… there’s no way that it’s all just gone like that… right…?”

Seems like you’ve used up all your ‘sight’. Haganeno collapses on the floor. He can’t summon any weapons or people. He seems distraught and astonished.

“Nobody showed up and I used up all my ‘sight’. This sucks! Damn it!! Damn you Saikiii! I wanted to be a part of the J Stars Victory Versus as well!!”

And Saiki doesn't even scale to those amounts of Sight energy. It needs 2 Saiki's full power to replicate the Sight effect of just sending a single person to a different universe.

I make a suggestion to Saiki Kusuo.

(…We can do that?)

Saiki Kusuo’s expression changes slightly in surprise.

Of course we can. We’re both espers, and there’s two versions of Saiki Kusuo right here.

(You’re right… Let’s give it a try)

Alright, let’s use our “psy” instead of “sight”… Let’s do this.

We both open our eyes wide. Saiki Kusuo and I open our arms and combine our powers. This is a power that can connect one world with another. We can create a distortion just like Haganeno did with “sight” earlier. Of course, I’ve never done this before, and I wouldn’t be able to do it normally, even without my limiter.

If I were alone, that is.

However, right now I have me by my side. An esper, Saiki Kusuo. The most reliable person there is. I’m sure we can make the impossible possible together.

Saiki Kusuo and I create a pale blue energy that begins floating in the air, just like the distortion from earlier.

TL;DR Sight is used for summoning/opening portals and grants no tier whatsoever.

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I don't think Saiki surviving being shoved into a wall is reason for scaling, when he fully admits that a serious attack, with appropriate consequences, would have killed him.

Not only that, but it keeps moving until it eventually splits even the mountains in the background.

This is a full-power “ton”.

If I hadn’t dodged that, I would be dead meat.

The limiter scaling should be taken with a grain of salt. He isn't sure how much stronger he gets.

If I take them off, I become several, tens, or hundred times stronger than I currently am.

Could be any of those.

To be honest, I’m not even sure just how destructive my attacks could be without the limiters on.

Or something else entirely. Saiki has no idea how strong he is himself.

Also, it's directly against our multiplier rules to use them as suggested in the revision i.e. use the same multiplier for speed. Multiplier has to be stated to include a specific stat to be used. The numbers for Saiki's are never said to relate to his speed, but only about strength.

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Honestly, that this is brought up as evidence for him getting abilities from the reader again is... well, hard to assume to be in good faith. Especially without context once again.
See the "Author commentary on how he get input from readers isn't canon" section here.
In that thread you also see the reason the FTL panel shouldn't be used. This is once again trying to pass off a poem send in by a reader as canon info.

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No reason range would be same as AP.

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Clashing telekinesis vs telekinsis is not power null.

As already explained, Saiki explicitely can't replicate the power of Sight on his own. in general no reason to assume he could do all it can, as his power is something different.

The transmutation is questionable. Could be that he meant for Saiki to use his teleportation switching technique to do that.

Sealing is just wrong. That's a manner of speech for pressing down real hard.

Main Saiki doesn't have the baby rattle and hence also doesn't have this power of his parallel world self. In general the parallel world self is more powerful than Saiki due to actually training his powers.

(I thought you’d give me more trouble than this boring fight. I really can’t believe we’re supposed to be the same person. Leaving your limiters aside, my superpowers should be much stronger than that, right?)

I completely collapse as he keeps complaining dejectedly. I see Saiki Kusuo’s shoes in front of me. I can’t move my body. All I can do is watch.

(Are you sure you’re not getting weaker?)

He asks, and then sighs.

(I’m sure you’re just getting along with Nendo and Kaido, right? Is that the reason?)

What… do you mean…?

(I see you’ve been holding back your own powers subconsciously. I don’t exactly understand why, but I’d say you’re generally only using your powers in extreme moderation to avoid harming those around you, right? What a stupid thing to do.)

My eyelids feel progressively heavier. I don’t think I can even move a finger anymore.

(You couldn’t even read my mind, and your own thoughts were leaking all over the place. Your psychokinesis has also been getting weaker. The only thing you could do was run away and defend yourself. Your reflexes are far too slow. What use do your powers even have?)

Saiki Kusuo keeps going. His telepathic voice is quietly echoing in my head.

(It’s all because of your useless friends. You’ve become weaker. However, that’s where I’m different from you. I’ve always lived alone. I never hold back when using my powers. There’s no need to do so in the first place. Why should I care about how those people feel? Why should a supreme being like me get along with his stupid classmates? I just want to live a quiet life. In which case, I should use all my powers to achieve it. It’s pretty simple.)

The supernatural luck doesn't work. I don't recall Suzumiya Hii's bad luck being stated to be due to lacking a guardian spirit. Unless I'm missing something not sure why her bad luck is brought up.
And even if, everyone has a guardian spirit. If anything having one is a prerequisite for normal luck, not for supernaturally good luck. In practice the guardian spirits never do anything.

 

[Setsuna_tenma]

agree with don`t talk

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

DontTalkDT makes sense.

 

[SeijiSetto]

LS: Class E physically (Was able to lift a plane without much effort, moved a typhoon using his arms)

i don't really care about anything else here but
why is this being scaled to his physicals? it's air, not something you can normally physically interact with like a solid object (lest you have a type of NPI).
in that very panel you say "using his arms" he's not making contact with it, and the shape of the air around him makes it look like he just used them to gesture while he used TK or something - it doesn't immediately scream "yes he pushed this with his hands"

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

I agree with DontTalk.

 

[ShionAH]

We don't need a CRT for images lol I agree with most of the stuff DT said especially on 2-A. Sight/Psy definitely doesnt scale to AP

Shion and I thought it would be more practical to organize the P&A according to whether the skills are Passive, Thought, Touch or Gesture.

I dont think this is even needed to be evaluated, it is just making the profile cleaner.

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So what is getting removed and what is staying? Can you make a summary, I am just so tired of this profile we should finally get a conclusion and start genuinly using the character in vsthreads without fearing an entirely new overhaul lol.

 

[DontTalkDT]

So what is getting removed and what is staying? Can you make a summary, I am just so tired of this profile we should finally get a conclusion and start genuinly using the character in vsthreads without fearing an entirely new overhaul lol.

At a glance, I think none of the here suggested changes should get added? Unless I missed one.

 

[ShionAH]

At a glance, I think none of the here suggested changes should get added? Unless I missed one.

I believe you missed Saiki nulliyfying Teleportation and the Plot hax addition and probably some other minor stuff I’ll have to reread

 

[DontTalkDT]

I believe you missed Saiki nulliyfying Teleportation and the Plot hax addition and probably some other minor stuff I’ll have to reread

I suppose null of teleport might be fine.

I'm sceptical of classifying that as plot manip. Should be more 4th wall breaking IMO, given his feats otherwise.

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Also, mind explaining why you add things that were rejected here to the page?
All staff here has rejected 4D stuff for example.

 

[ShionAH]

I'm sceptical of classifying that as plot manip. Should be more 4th wall breaking IMO, given his feats otherwise.

It literally warps the narrative around him lol this is just downplaying the ability

Also, mind explaining why you add things that were rejected here to the page?
All staff here has rejected 4D stuff for example.

Those will be removed when this CRT goes through (which I think it did?), I added the stuff that was accepted in my CRT previously which were removed and the entire profile was for some reason literally reset without a reason. So hold ur horses pal

 

[DontTalkDT]

It literally warps the narrative around him lol this is just downplaying the ability

I don't consider the "I wrote the first version of my manga" as plot manip, instead of 4th wall breaking.
The Sight energy stuff fails at the fact that Saiki has no Sight energy. The abilities of it don't apply to him.
And I have my doubts that the whole "the protagonist is always right" actually applies to Saiki's situation, as I don't think he was always right? Like, that seems a one time thing for the detective joke, not something that is consistent or ever applied to Saiki.

Those will be removed when this CRT goes through (which I think it did?), I added the stuff that was accepted in my CRT previously which were removed and the entire profile was for some reason literally reset without a reason. So hold ur horses pal

It's weird as hell to make the changes at a time there is already another CRT talking about the changes, especially if it looks like the changes get rejected.

And yeah, by current staff votes on this it is by now rejected, so please remove it again. Unless you would prefer I do the edits.

 

[ShionAH]

It's weird as hell to make the changes at a time there is already another CRT talking about the changes, especially if it looks like the changes get rejected.

They literally reset the entire profile lmao, all I did was revert it back

And yeah, by current staff votes on this it is by now rejected, so please remove it again. Unless you would prefer I do the edits.

I’ll get to it today

 

[ShionAH]

I don't consider the "I wrote the first version of my manga" as plot manip, instead of 4th wall breaking.

How is writing the entire narrative in a metafictional way not plot manip, DT be honest right now in what world does this not mean plot manipulation. Its quite literally the definition

The Sight energy stuff fails at the fact that Saiki has no Sight energy. The abilities of it don't apply to him.

It is used to prove that the "main protagonist" stuff are actual abilities rather than story elements, I am not scaling it to Saiki.

And I have my doubts that the whole "the protagonist is always right" actually applies to Saiki's situation, as I don't think he was always right? Like, that seems a one time thing for the detective joke, not something that is consistent or ever applied to Saiki.

Haganeno literally gained that ability after taking Kusuo's role from the story. He basically stole his "power" of being the "protagonist".

Anyways I think I removed things that were rejected, though I'll double check again

 

[ShionAH]

The numbers for Saiki's are never said to relate to his speed, but only about strength.

Pretty sure it comes from how Saiki says without his limiters he feels like he is 100x more heavy due to not being able to control his speed or smth like that, should I downgrade it to FTL though?

 

[Salt-on-pizza]

So the novel was accepted back as canon here. And it was requested to revert the changes until everything is evaluated here.

So let's get started!

Blog with the changes

First: Visual​

Changed the images of Kusuo (Anime) and Kuriko to have full body images. Also a quote was added. Nicknames added

Second: Power & Abilities Reorganization​

Shion and I thought it would be more practical to organize the P&A according to whether the skills are Passive, Thought, Touch or Gesture.

Third: Stats​

AP: At least Low 5-B physically, 2-A with Psy Energy, possibly 'far higher | At least Low 5-B physically, 2-A with Psy Energy, possibly far higher | At least 5-B physically, 2-A with Psy Energy, possibly far higher

Reason: Explanation. Then 4-D, or 5-D if R>F is accepted.

Dura: Planet level (Somewhat tanked attacks from his alternate version even though his alternate version removed his limiters) | At least Planet level | At least Large Planet level (States that without its limiters, he becomes 100 times stronger)

LS: Class E physically (Was able to lift a plane without much effort, moved a typhoon using his arms) At least Class Z possibly Stellar with Telekinesis (He was about to move the sun, said he can easily lift an entire ship, was able to lift the Roppongi Hills Mori Tower without much effort as a child, can casually stop a meteorite, able to retain his alternate version which is 100 times stronger without the limiter) | Class E physically, At least Class Z possibly Stellar with Telekinesis | Class Z physically, Class Z possibly Stellar with Telekinesis (States that without its limiters, he becomes 100 times stronger)

Speed: FTL (Saiki can casually run at the speed of light,[90][Translation 2] he flew across the continent to America and was able to eat a coffee bean jelly in 6 milliseconds before it could hit the floor) | At least FTL | At least Massively FTL (States that without its limiters, he becomes 100 times stronger, he also becomes much faster than before)

Stamina: Superhuman (Repeatedly used his powers over 13000 times in a six second loop) | Superhuman | Superhuman, possibly Infinite (He stated that if he removed his limiters, he could start to teleport and fight for eternity against his alternate version, Infinite for his soul (Toritsuka explains that ghosts are not hungry or tired)

Range: Same as AP

Intelligence: Explained in the blog

Fourth: "New" Abilities & Resistences​

Passives:

• Accelerated Development, Reactive Evolution (Passive; Physical Statistics, Intelligence, Abilities: Saikis power, abilities and intelligence grows in a rapid rate. It grows so fast that he had to put these limiters on to limit his power, however, the limiters do not stop his powers from continuing to grow or to develop new abilities and resistances. Although in the dream world Saiki is not able to use his powers, he managed to use them to wake up. It was stated that no attack or trick can work on him twice.Saiki can also gain abilities from the readers of his manga that are called supreme observers that see the world as fiction)
• Removed Limited for Acausuality (I believe that as explained the ability should be sufficient to remove the Limited.)
• Plot Manipulation (Saiki stated that his first manga before serialization along with the novel were his own doing and that he was the one who wrote them. As the main protagonist he can passively alter the narrative) Explanation 2)

Tought:

• Power Nullification (3 Layers, Even though Alternate was similar to our Kusuo, who resisted Kusuke's 2 limiters, Kusuo was still able to completely cancel his abilities and skills)
• Space-Time Manipulation, Energy Manipulation, Immersion (Equal to the energy of "Sight", which can bring characters, weapons from other worlds, infiltrate a novel, able to make the boundaries of the universes confused.Able to unite 2 worlds, Using the energy they createda distortionequal to that made by "Sight" energy)
• Transmutation (It was implied that he can turn a shoe into a steak if he wanted to)
  • Sealing (He planned to fuse the Alternate Saiki with the ground)
• Purification (Type 3, He claims to be able to eliminate any virus from his body)

Gesture:

• Sleep Manipulation (Similar to his alternative version that used a baby rattle to put him to sleep and became the Saiki Kusuo of the original world)

Resistance:

• Supernatural Luck (Saiki, along with all the others, has a Guardian Spirit that protects him from disasters since birth. In case of not having one or if the guardian spirit is vague, the person will experience extreme bad luck ranging from stepping in poop, getting hit by a hearse,being hit by a meteorite or even death)

There are other changes, but those are explanations of abilities from the novel. So it doesn't change much


Please let's keep this a calm and friendly discussion.

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I think I agree! Also, 2-A SAIKI?!?! ELABORATE PLEASE

 

[Phsccarvalho]

Bump

Bump

Why does Saiki have plot hax on his profile if this is still being proposed here?

 

[ShionAH]

Plot hax was already accepted

 

[Phsccarvalho]

Plot hax was already accepted

I understood.

 

[Phsccarvalho]

Also, isn't this crt finished yet? We already have it and there are already 3 votes with DT's things.

 

[ShionAH]

Also, isn't this crt finished yet? We already have it and there are already 3 votes with DT's things.

I already deleted the things DT and others agreed to be rejected, I asked him a question and now I am waiting for his answer lol

 

[Phsccarvalho]

I already deleted the things DT and others agreed to be rejected,

DT seems to disagree with the plot hax.

 

[ShionAH]

DT seems to disagree with the plot hax.

He can make a CRT if he thinks he can debunk the list of feats for plot. I heavily doubt it though, writing an entire narrative novel and manga having canonical plot armour and more should be enough.

 

[Phsccarvalho]

He can make a CRT if he thinks he can debunk the list of feats for plot. I heavily doubt it though, writing an entire narrative novel and manga having canonical plot armour and more should be enough.

Why would he need to do a crt again when the skill is being proposed again here on the blog and he is rejecting it?

 

[ShionAH]

Why would he need to do a crt again when the skill is being proposed again here on the blog and he is rejecting it?

He did not answer all the arguments nor did he actually give any debunks, he just said “I think its 4th wall awareness” which also can be said for EVERY PLOT HAX EVER

 

[DaReaperMan]

He did not answer all the arguments nor did he actually give any debunks, he just said “I think its 4th wall awareness” which also can be said for EVERY PLOT HAX EVER

Tzeentch

Tzeentch, also known as Tchar', The Wind-lord, The Raven God, the Changer of Ways and the Great Conspirator is the Chaos God of Magic, Change, Evolution, Destiny, Lies and Trickery. He is flux embodied, a daemon-god who alone truly embodies the terrible energies and momentum of Chaos. He bears a...

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Plot Manipulation Tzeentch

Magnus laughed. "You don't want to know? That's always been your weakness. I know it all, now. I could tell you the Emperor's name, and it would surprise you. I could tell you that the fates decreed Fulgrim to be sent to Chogoris and you to Chemos, and I could tell you which arcane force in the...

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Imagine being wrong

 

[ShionAH]

Tzeentch

Tzeentch, also known as Tchar', The Wind-lord, The Raven God, the Changer of Ways and the Great Conspirator is the Chaos God of Magic, Change, Evolution, Destiny, Lies and Trickery. He is flux embodied, a daemon-god who alone truly embodies the terrible energies and momentum of Chaos. He bears a...

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Plot Manipulation Tzeentch

Magnus laughed. "You don't want to know? That's always been your weakness. I know it all, now. I could tell you the Emperor's name, and it would surprise you. I could tell you that the fates decreed Fulgrim to be sent to Chogoris and you to Chemos, and I could tell you which arcane force in the...

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Imagine being wrong

Thats from Warhammer the CEO of bullshit lore, so irrelevant!!

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Thats from Warhammer the CEO of bullshit lore, so irrelevant!!

Look up what the temple of the frog is from D&D, then know that the random janitor of that ship became a 5-D being

 

[ShionAH]

Powerscaling was a mistake

 

[Asdeef]

He did not answer all the arguments nor did he actually give any debunks, he just said “I think its 4th wall awareness” which also can be said for EVERY PLOT HAX EVER

Dismissing an entire argument based on an opinion is DT's specialty.

 

[DontTalkDT]

How is writing the entire narrative in a metafictional way not plot manip, DT be honest right now in what world does this not mean plot manipulation. Its quite literally the definition

It would be plot manip, if this meant that Saiki reality warped the entire universe to his desire. But that's not what happens or Saiki would have no trouble with the volcano.
There is no evidence he "wrote the novel" in a fashion that gives him control of reality itself. I.e. it's 4th wall breaking. He brought out his own book in "reality" not reality warp his universe.

It is used to prove that the "main protagonist" stuff are actual abilities rather than story elements, I am not scaling it to Saiki.

Sight related main protagonist stuff doesn't apply to him, though.

Haganeno literally gained that ability after taking Kusuo's role from the story. He basically stole his "power" of being the "protagonist".

Yet things evidently don't work like that for Saiki himself. E.g. it says everything the protagonist says becomes true, but... Saiki has been wrong plenty of times.
He, for example, has said in chapter 279 that "even someone as dumb as Toritsuka should have known not to bring these guys here" only to be immediately proven wrong.
Same chapter he honestly said his powers would be gone by using the removal device, but that is also proven wrong a day later.

I bet I could find lots of other parts in the manga where Saiki is wrong about something. For main canon him it just clearly doesn't work that way.
Could be because he isn't a detective. Detective protagonists often have the archetype of being always right and finding the truth. But with Saiki being a comedy protagonist his protagonist powers may be something else entirely. Things like his 4th Wall breaking could easily be part of that.
But we don't know. We see that he doesn't operate like Mikami, but what else it does, if anything, is unclear.

 

[ShionAH]

It would be plot manip, if this meant that Saiki reality warped the entire universe to his desire. But that's not what happens or Saiki would have no trouble with the volcano.

PiS.

There is no evidence he "wrote the novel" in a fashion that gives him control of reality itself. I.e. it's 4th wall breaking. He brought out his own book in "reality" not reality warp his universe.

No he did not “get” his own “book” into the “book”. Its just a fourth wall breaking gag yet you seem to believe that Kusuo just created a infinitely layered loop of R>F?

Sight related main protagonist stuff doesn't apply to him, though.

It does, Hageneno gained these plot manipulating abilities by literally stealing alternate Kusuo’s role. If I steal your gun, would that imply only I can shoot with it? No lmao.

For main canon him it just clearly doesn't work that way.
Could be because he isn't a detective. Detective protagonists often have the archetype of being always right and finding the truth. But with Saiki being a comedy protagonist his protagonist powers may be something else entirely. Things like his 4th Wall breaking could easily be part of that.
But we don't know. We see that he doesn't operate like Mikami, but what else it does, if anything, is unclear.

Hageneno uses his protagonist role to be the main character of a mystery series, since he did this by literally stealing Kusuo’s spotlight it would confirm that Kusuo himself also has some protagonist abilities. Which are likely tied to his comedic character and role

We have Kusuo stating he wrote the novel and manga, you did not bring any scans that disproves this other than PiS

We have Kusuo using his powers to publish his series, again no scans that disproves it

Hageneno implies Kusuo has some narrative bending powers due to being the main character, you only “disproved” the fact that Kusuo does not share the same exact abilities yet you did not really seem to have any arguments for the general idea of plot armour being canonical