Aqua vs Palutena

[Asuka_the_Demonic_Empress]

Aqua is very, very close to baseline 6-C, while Palutena is baseline 6-C.

Fair enough imo

Goddess of Light vs Godess of thighs.

Speed equalized.

 

[DMB_1]

You are forgetting that the tier High 7-A exists.

 

[Schnee_One]

No she isn't near baseline 6C

She's close to Baseline High 7A

Attack Potency, Tiering System

 

[Asuka_the_Demonic_Empress]

Oooh

 

[Flashlight237]

I was gonna make a thread on this, but I see it has already been made, so, well, it's better to necro-bump this thread than to make a new one, I suppose.

Aqua is closer to Palutena now.

Palutena's AP might not exactly be the best against Aqua. Palutena scales to at least 78.744 gigatons from Pit. Aqua would scale to at least 132.832 gigatons from Wiz, who would scale from at least 59.3 gigatons from Megumin (although unlike Megumin, Wiz won't go about killing herself). However, Palutena certainly has the defensive means to handle Aqua's projectile-based magic (ex. Water Manipulation) because of Palutena's force-field creation. Aqua has Attack Reflection too, but it seems to be to a lesser extent than Palutena's.

In terms of hax...

Aqua has Non-Physical Interaction, which is a counter to Palutena's intangibility.

Palutena has three types of Immortality (1, 2, and 4), which makes Palutena significantly harder to kill than Aqua.

Palutena resisted the Soul Manipulation of an entity that stomped her (Chaos Kin) for three years, so Palutena should have no trouble handling Aqua on that front since Aqua is a fairer combatant for Palutena than Chaos Kin.

If Palutena can land an Instant Death Attack and be done with it, it would be very possible since Aqua's immortality is bound to conventional life (it's Type 1, not Type 5).

Purification would be useless against Palutena because Palutena isn't undead, plus being the Goddess of Light would mean Palutena is pure to begin with.

Aqua's probability manipulation isn't nowhere near anything Sad Larry's, so I doubt it'd do much against Palutena.

Dunno the exact means of Aqua's reality warping, so I can't say anything about that.

Both Aqua and Palutena have stat amp, so that's pointless.

Mmm... All these hax are making me hard to guess how things will go. Of course Palutena is usually playful around others while Aqua is, well, she's just rock-stupid.

I think Palutena should handle this, but it's definitely not going to be easy; in fact, I think a Palutena victory would be one with great difficulty. Instant Death Attack is her win-con, but otherwise, ehhh....

 

[Schnee_One]

Aqua AP stomps I believe.

 

[TriforcePower1]

Palutena is 4-A now

 

[ShiroyashaGinSan]

Still has 6-C key. Seal + Power Nullification, what can Pal do about it

 

[Schnee_One]

Ah, then it's the opposite

 

[TriforcePower1]

Nvm, she still has a 6-C key

 

[Flashlight237]

Still has 6-C key. Seal + Power Nullification, what can Pal do about it

Pretty sure Palutena is more likely to make the first move than Aqua.

 

[Flashlight237]

Aqua AP stomps I believe.

Buddy, hax are a thing too. As I said before, Palutena has Attack Reflection as a countermeasure and Death Manip is basically her wincon.

 

[Schnee_One]

Attack reflection is AP based so she dies if she uses it

Cool, you have named one out of the many things she has that's useless against Aqua and Aqua can powernull her or seal.

Hax are a thing, but it's false to think a single Hax can save you when "In character" is a thing and the opponent is just as haxed and has a massive AP gap

 

[Flashlight237]

Attack reflection is AP based so she dies if she uses it

No, it depends on how well it defends against AP. If the move can deal with the power of someone who can scale from Pit without damage, then what good is 1.68x Pit's AP gonna do? If the move can get damaged by the same circumstances, then yes, I can see it working.

Also, in an in-character match, Palutena is very likely if not 100% certain to make the first move.

 

[Schnee_One]

Aqua stomps baseline High 6Cs

Pauletina isn't even Baseline High 6C.

Why? And would it be the right move? Because if not, Aqua survives and seals, if not do that before hand.

 

[ShiroyashaGinSan]

And what makes her faster than Aqua? Aqua only needs to think and she never use Purification on someone like Pal so Sealing is her option, she even used it in her everyday life and as an insult, let alone in a battle.

Unless that Attack Reflection is able to defend from the attack that is almost double her power, I don't see any points.

 

[Flashlight237]

Aqua only needs to think

Which alone is hard for Aqua to do: "Aqua lacks the basic analytic skills and self-awareness to use her knowledge effectively."

 

[Flashlight237]

Why? And would it be the right move?

No, Instant Death Attack would, and Aqua has no resistance to Death Manip or an effective countermeasure (Type 4 Immortality for instance).

 

[Schnee_One]

Analytical skills and thinking "Be Sealed" are two vastly different things

 

[Flashlight237]

Analytical skills and thinking "Be Sealed" are two vastly different things

Ye, but lacking the former means it'll be difficult for Aqua to even consider whether Palutena is dangerous or not. What if Palutena's playful nature gets to Aqua before anything battle-wise happens?

 

[ShiroyashaGinSan]

>Bringing up the weakness that is extremely inaccurate and I ******* hate

UUUUUHHHHH THAT ******* WEAKNESS SHOULD BE DELETED ALREADY FFFFFFUUUUU

Okay, she doesn't lack analytical skills in combat. She knows what she can use and what she can't from the start, she's been shown like that in Vol 15. Yes, she spends money like some pervert in strip club but that doesn't matter in a fight. She even know how to break Demon Castle's barriers accurately when an entire country doesn't.

 

[Flashlight237]

yes, she spends money like some pervert in strip club...

Okay, that honestly gave me a chuckle. Like, yes, I read the entire response (it would go against my nature not to), but I just couldn't resist at that part.

 

[Flashlight237]

For real, I have no idea how much you know about Konosuba, Shiro, but the way I'd put it, I don't think it merits a deletion, but it should definitely merit a reconsideration (mainly for clarity's sake).

 

[Schnee_One]

Ye, but lacking the former means it'll be difficult for Aqua to even consider whether Palutena is dangerous or not. What if Palutena's playful nature gets to Aqua before anything battle-wise happens?

No?

Analytical skills refer to gathering and retaining information as well as deciphering problems

Something as simple as thinking "Seal" is incredibly trivial compared to analytical thinking

So no. It's 100% irrelevant.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

So...this is an AP stomp right? Can I close this or?

 

[Schnee_One]

I mean I think so but apparently Aqua lacking analytical skills means she's too stupid to think "Seal" and thus Palutena will strike first with one attack out of many that actually works.

 

[Schnee_One]

Ye, but lacking the former means it'll be difficult for Aqua to even consider whether Palutena is dangerous or not. What if Palutena's playful nature gets to Aqua before anything battle-wise happens?

Standard Battle Assumptions, by default, means the two are fighting.