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Does he though? I don't remember Kusakabe's explanation saying anything about speed. It's more like, it adds a wierd pulling effect that increased damage, isn't it?
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Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1
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I say it like that because the strong force of attraction by Blue pulls his fists
The exact wording is that it feels like getting clocked by a counter-attack
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I think Rosa's talking about the brief physical exchange that Gojo has with Sukuna while he's using Domain Amplification where Gojo wouldn't be able to use Blue to Enhance his punches. That and Gojo and Sukuna are able to swap hands pretty comparatively with and without Gojo having access to his blue enhanced punches, showing that there isn't that meaningful of a difference between the two.
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Isn't there was a visual representation of Gojo pulling Sukuna in for a punch with Blue?
We can say Gojo's movement speed is what gets increased
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Ye somewhat even though the dialogue was confusing when I read it after leaks dropped.
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EldemadeDityjon
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I remember another scan where arrow mark was drawn.
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Are you perhaps referring to the punch right before Kusakabe talks about Gojo's Limitless punches?
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When I hear counter-attack, I think of a second strike. Given the context as well, it looks to me like a 2 for the price of one deal; one attack but double the power.
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It's insane how everyone here has a different take regarding these characters but nothing of what it's said here goes to the profile.
Not in a million years we will rate Teen Gojo with enough speed to blitz anyone in the Shinjuku Showdown Arc with the exception of Ino and maybe one or two more characters.
Not in a million years we will rate Teen Gojo with enough speed to blitz anyone in the Shinjuku Showdown Arc with the exception of Ino and maybe one or two more characters.
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Here's a fun scenario; instead of weakened Sukuna, what would happen if Kashimo and everyone else who entered the battle after him tried to jump Gojo instead. Could a post-Sukuna battle Gojo fight them all off?
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This is agenda-based extrapolation, and there's nothing suggesting this is the reason
Like, other than the obvious "two grade-1 level sorcerers" that have worked together before, it makes sense for them to be chosen
yeah, the limitless six eyes user, no shit he's gonna be famous. He's also been famous SPECIFICALLY for having that gift
Who? Yaga and some other unknown, featless grade 1s? Nice one
Never stated, NOR is it stated to be Pre RCT Gojo he's talking about
Also Naoya is only 1 year younger than Gojo...
holy f*cking shit, what the ****. Listing something they did is them saying that's his best possible attribute pertaining to his fighting power????
This literally happens in the series.
Maki is a bad blitz below Naoya, and she can eventually beat him. Regardless, all Tengen really knows is it's the limitless six eyes user, so it makes more sense sending the person who fate is aligned with than some capable sorcerer like Naobito, despite Naobito being the fastest sorcerer by far at the time
Never stated
that's not even a reaction speed feat, as it's likely instinctual
Rosa logic: "Todo is way faster than Mahito, because he can reinforce his insides in the middle of the black flash!!!"
Blue blasts aren't ap feats, it's purely an attractive crushing force
Toji is literally playing with his ass. We have no basis for a binding vow aiding Toji this way
We have no basis for Teen Gojo's training
It has 0 Ambiguity. Yuki Tsukumo punches through him, and wins 0 diff. Falling Blossom emotion is the worst anti-domain technique, and worst case scenario, she punches through it
Rosa has a bad habit of BADLY exaggerating things
"This guy turned 294.2385428395772983475982350 degrees while this person was in the middle of attacking"
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Gojo regained his output fully by narrative so he should win against them.
But if Gojo was in Sukuna's place like his output is low he would die right after Higuruma domain. Lol.
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The Shinjuku squad when BF awakened Gojo teleports kilometers into the sky and spams Reds/Purples/Blue Orbs
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This. Higuruma would confiscate Limitless. Gojo would be fighting Higuruma + Yuji and then Yuta would come to finish the job.
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Yeah that's why I said if Gojo who regained his output fights the squad they are dead but if it's Gojo and Sukuna places gets swapped and Gojo is on low output Higuruma and Yuji should be able to pull it off. Weakened Gojo without Limitless ain't hanging around with the squad.
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Real ones know that Sukuna could have oneshotted Gojo in one punch since the begin of their fight
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He would just gets poisoned by Yuji and Choso's blood once Higuruma removes his limitless technique. Maki can just sneak on Gojo with SSK.
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that's when Sukuna is likely holding back
What I think is Sukuna "held back" In certain parts of their exchanges, because there, despite having a 120% amp, he still matched a non-blue amped Gojo. There, he's holding back in order to wait for Mahoraga to gain the world slash
faaax
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Gojo in Sukuna's exact conditions would die cuz he doesn't have reincarnation
So let's switch it up. What if he has the same injuries as Sukuna post-Unlimited Purple but has his restored RCT output?
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It doesn't matter if Sukuna's holding back because the focus is on Gojo here. If Gojo can effectively combat and hurt Sukuna with and without his blue-enhanced punches then the difference in AP isn't so big downscaling is unreasonable.
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"Anyway, it should be okay. We're the strongest, that's why master Tengen asked for us" [chapter 66] please explain how me interpreting from this that they were chosen for their strength is "agenda-based"?
"so you're the famous Gojo Satoru? I've heard your strong" [chapter 66] yet I'm just ASSUMING his popularity is about strength? Do you have any basis to say otherwise or is this just contrived scepticism?
So all of jujutsu society is "unknown, featless grade 1s"?
Toji died the same day Gojo awakened, so if Naoya is thinking back to a time where Gojo and Toji mutually existed as peaks of the jujutsu world it's clearly going to be his pre-awakened state.
If I'm listing why someone is strong and notable and I have two feats to chose from, I'd go with the most impressive feat, so when the narrator is trying to paint us a picture of measuring and quantifying a person's power we should take the feats listed as an assessment of their upper end capabilities. At the very least, the wording where they specify Toji only caused injury to Gojo, never challenging him, surpassing him, etc., also has some heavy implications.
Maki isn't a blitz level below Naoya, the opposite is true, but we've debated that topic a total of 3 times on this thread where each time it comes down to you refusing to engage and pivoting so I'd rather not engage with this cope that Naoya was actually a blitz level above a character who he couldn't react to the punches of.
Show me Naobito being the fastest of this time too.
Chapter 73, when reflecting on if he could've fought Gojo without first inducing the chest wound he says it wouldn't have been smart to do so and would've been too risky for him.
That's not comparable. Mahito ran several meters to cross the distance which gave Todo time to react, with Todo being on-guard the entire time, Gojo reacted AS the sword was going through his body. I.e. in the time it takes Toji's arm to extend from the outer layers of Gojo's skin to his heart or lungs Gojo channelled his CE through his body from an off-guard position.
Which is AP... AP and striking strength are separate for a reason, your AP includes the damage / force you can emit through your abilities also.
"revealing certain information can actually give you an advantage" [chapter 73] yet we're supposed to expect that Toji's BV didn't give him an advantage? Do you need me to also quote Nanami's explanation to Yuji on what binding vows related to revealing one's abilities do?
I don't see how that's relevant to my point of Gojo having insane potential. Also, we literally see Gojo and Geto frequently sparring with one another and, after fighting Toji, we see him talking about his TRAINING OF HIS CT and even asking Shoko to make him a combat course with test dummies to fight
but yea... teen Gojo never trained 100%This isn't super relevant but I disagree with all of this, it's just baseless assertions tbh
Notice how I never said anything like this? I said he turned 180 degrees... because he made a complete U-turn... which is 180 degrees... but yea, I have a bad habit of exaggerating things!
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There's a limit of two times per person
Yuji: Kusakabe (CE manip & Barrier Tech), Shoko (RCT)
Yuta: IDK (possibly Kirara and Hakari)
Miwa: NO ONE SHES HER (pointless)
Hakari: IDK
Maki: NO ONE SHES HER (pointless)
Ino: IDK (He's always been him)
Choso: Kusakabe (how tf is he doing it?)
Hope this body switching leads to why they win (Hakari and Uraume died after Uraume put Hakari in a popsicle)
Yuji: Kusakabe (CE manip & Barrier Tech), Shoko (RCT)
Yuta: IDK (possibly Kirara and Hakari)
Miwa: NO ONE SHES HER (pointless)
Hakari: IDK
Maki: NO ONE SHES HER (pointless)
Ino: IDK (He's always been him)
Choso: Kusakabe (how tf is he doing it?)
Hope this body switching leads to why they win (Hakari and Uraume died after Uraume put Hakari in a popsicle)
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They don’t know that though
All they know is what Yaga told them, and he didn’t say that
Yeah, basically
You can’t deduce an exact power level from that though
You’re assuming that though, we don’t know why he thought about Gojo when he was a Teen. Toji never looked like he did in the flashbacks
The Toji in Naoya’s flashbacks is Toji Zen’in from when Naoya was a kid. The Gojo from the flashbacks is just genetically what Gojo looked like as a student.
There’s no way to prove it’s him taking about them how they were at the same time.
Point is, Toji dogs on a healthy Gojo
Todo hadn’t been hit by the black flash yet. You’re assuming this to wank Gojo very clearly
You hype things up with your language and way of describing things to hype up characters. Someone moves 1.001x faster than another person? “Blitzed!!”
Someone damaged another person hard? “One shot!!!”
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Uh no lost arms and the like? He's just murdering them no issue, unlike Sukuna he suffers no wounds, has recovered his output far beyond what post gojo fight Sukuna did, has learned a superior way of using rct, BF strengthened him etc.
Not to mention his far superior combat skills and just how blue and red easily counters them all.
He's straight up murdering them no diff genuinely. We saw how fast Sukuna was when racing against Choso. Everybody there literally failed to react. Maki and Yuta would be better off but would most likely be blitzed easily too lol. And that's despite all the nerfs he suffered and now the students are gonna fight gojo who's far far stronger than that Sukuna? Rip em..
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Yuji: Kusakabe of course but Noritoshi is a good candidate as well for better blood manipulation understanding. Though more likely Yuta or Choso could work out as well since they can also pass on general skills and not just RCT like Shoko would.
Yuta: Hakari for sure, the new domain stuff and the moving of his barrier in the same way Hakari did for his fight I think makes him an obvious pick. And Yuji could work for an angle of helping both better realize Shrine when both gets their hands on it since Yuta probably unlocked Shrine ahead of Yuji during the timeskip.
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That's what we saw of the scene, they could have additional interactions or unspoken implications, either way we have a statement within the series of this being the reason. Denying that with no basis is peak "agenda-based" scaling.
Then you're wrong, and I demonstrated why you're wrong in my post when discussing why Naobito is so impressive.
From what? We don't know how precise or detailed the rumours about him are, all we know is his strength is known to a degree.
Naoya is envisioning them standing TOGETHER at the peak of jujutsu society, the onus is on you to say he's not thinking of the several years Toji and Gojo co-existed but instead of the hyper specific time frame of Gojo in his final year as a student vs a decade older Toji.
What exactly are you saying here, because nothing in my response rests upon the premise that Todo has experience being hit by the black flash. Todo was on-guard and had time to react to Mahito charging at him from his front, Gojo was off-guard getting sneaked from behind from mere inches away. Completely different scenarios.
When have I ever done this? Because you think Naoya landing a hit on Maki whilst she blocks and parries his strikes before knocking him out with her first and only attempt at an attack is him "badly blitzing" her lmfaoooo, or like how you think Yuki punching through Kenjaku's arms means she can punch through the chest of anyone in the verse, or like how you think Naobito being the fastest in 2018 must mean he was the fastest in 2006 and therefore capping Geto with no basis, or how you think Naoya would blitz Toji despite his entire life goal being to reach Toji's level, I could honestly go on. If you want to pivot away from a conversation by attacking the credibility of your opponent, at least come up with accusations that don't amount to self-projection (or, preferably, grow up and learn to have a good faith dialogue instead of these petty attacks on my credibility).
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W cooking.
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Choso a top 5 GOAT of JJK
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Higuruma most likely. I don't think SD gonna stop his domain because of how it's conditional.
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I think it depends on how his Domain interprets an anti domain technique. Is it “violence” or not? I think a Simple Domain can resist Higuruma’s Domain.
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So.... is there anybody that, still believes or thinks Yuji got #1 talent or 3 after allat revealing from the manga about how they cheated and Kusakabe's statement?
