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I still need help with this task.Is somebody here willing to help out with finding as extreme replacements as possible to the examples that I agreed should be replaced above?
Ones resulting in absolutely outrageous scaling chains that is.
There's also Hyperion tanking an Incursion, which is a blatant Low 1-A durability feat. I don't know any Hyperion anti-feats, but I think that could work for a bad scaling chain example.irrc, there was a time Spider man defeated Hulk. Can't remember the comic or issue
There's also this potential instance I found [Source: Doctor Strange, Sorcerer Supreme (Vol. 1) #40; 1992]
Daredevil sent the Fear Lord D'Spayre crashing to the ground in a sneak attack; this being right after D'Spayre stole the amped fear energies of humanity from Nightmare and Dweller-In-Darkness, no-selling their combined power before vanquishing them both.
Thank you for helping out.There's also Hyperion tanking an Incursion, which is a blatant Low 1-A durability feat. I don't know any Hyperion anti-feats, but I think that could work for a bad scaling chain example.
Bump.Thank you for helping out.
I added the Firelord example btw:
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/P...mics?type=revision&diff=8497964&oldid=8485693
So which of the currently listed scaling chains are blatantly inaccurate and should be removed?
Both look pretty good to me!Bump.
Also, would the following two scaling chains be fine to add?
"Gambit once defeated Gladiator, and Gladiator significantly harmed Galactus after the latter had just eaten Dormammu and Satannish, and right before he collapsed the entire Universe-616 reality. (Low 1-A Gambit)"
"Daredevil once kicked D'Spayre to the ground, after the latter had stolen the powers of Nightmare and the Dweller in Darkness and defeated them both, and Nightmare once defeated The Living Tribunal, Eternity, and Death at the same time. (High 1-A Daredevil)"
You can comment here if you want, ProfectusInfinity.
If that's the case, I'd like to drop some miscellaneous comments on some of the examples contested.Well, I added some rather reliable feats, but it would help if we recap which of the older ones that are unreliable, and find the exact issue number references for all of the instances that are mentioned in that page.
The contentions thus far are:Thor has been knocked out from a shot by a handgun but also harmed the Chaos King (High 1-A handgun)
I mean, just look at Thor’s page, and you can see why this doesn’t work.
I somewhat disagree with the first contention. Even though Thor has High 1-A feats in his base form via Inner Essence, doesn't mean any High 1-A feat he performs should be attributed to that by default. Nearly all of the Inner Essence/God Blast feats on his profile have scans referencing some sort of Inner Power or name the God Blast directly. I don't think we should make it a habit to apply any High 1-B/Low 1-A/High 1-A feats to Thor's profile without evidence Inner Essence was involved. So in a vacuum, Thor harming the Chaos King should be viewed as a high-end outlier.As shown in Chaos War #1, Skyfather Hercules had amplified all the other heroes, so this isn't a base Thor. On top of that, I recall scans of Thor getting exponential amps from energy he absorbs, so it could probably be argued that he got an especially large amp.
THOR IS OWNED BY A HAND GUN:
This occurred in Black Panther (1998) #8. The gun (and its bullet) was Wakandan technology, which as we all know is based on vibranium, one of the few existing magical metals capable of harming Thor. Additionally, Monica was wearing a vibranium exoskeleton that greatly increased her physical capabilities. We are later told that the bullet barely passed through the skin of Thor's forehead, and he momentarily passed out from the impact. once explained it doesn't sound as horrible as it first seemed, right?
Both of these seem mostly rejected by now. One argument I saw against the first one is that there was a cosmic axis imbalance during the Eternity War saga, which means there was no firm hierarchy dictating how powerful one abstract being is compared with another, which could be blamed for Black Panther beating the Tiger God. However, this hierarchy only dictates the nature of Abstracts tied with Multi-Eternity, and with the Tiger God being equal or superior to the True Form Phoenix Force, I don't see why he would be bound by that hierarchy.
- Aunt May is not significantly weaker than J. Jonah Jameson, who has punched an unmasked Spider-Man bloody on his own, who is physically superior to the Black Panther, who beat the Tiger God and used it to defeat Logos, who killed The Living Tribunal (High 1-A aunt May).
- Spider-Man has beaten the Puma, who could allegedly kill the Beyonder when in perfect harmony with the universe, which scales to Aunt May according to the above "logic" (High 1-B Aunt May).
1. If we're removing the other 2 Spider-Man examples, we should explain how it'd apply to Aunt May rather than writing "another" since it's the only one now.Spider-Man also beat Firelord unconscious, who has harmed and held his own against the Silver Surfer, who managed to fight the Griever at the End of All Things for several minutes, who almost killed the Molecule Man. (Another High 1-A aunt May)
This one seems unanimously rejected too.The Hulk was choked unconscious by an ordinary python but also harmed Dormammu after the latter beat Multi-Eternity and stole his power (High 1-A snake)
1. Umar was amping heroes like Doctor Strange, thus probably amping Hulk too.
Yeah, looks great!I have adjusted the page in question accordingly. Is this acceptable?
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/P...mics?type=revision&diff=8596952&oldid=8515336
There's nothing else at the moment. I'd like for us to do a more comprehensive overhaul of these rules at some point, but that's beyond the scope of this thread. Close it.Thank you.
Is there anything left to do here, or should we close this thread?