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So is gojo/sukuna gonna scale beyond tiering?
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Welp. I guess SMT would be stuck at 1A then.Nope. Confirmed by Ultima.
I'm aware of that. What I'm trying to say is that there is more than 1 creator which goes against the Tier 0 requirements. And a tier 0 being cannot be said to eventually reach tier 0 status. It has to have been tier 0 from the start.You become a creator by losing all sense of individuality and self. Which does not contradict Tier 0 stastandard
I'm well aware of this and I agree.By the way you don't even have to be a "character" to be Tier 0.
Tier 0s literally aren't characters at all by their very nature. They are instead the source of every quality that possesses a oneness with every quality.
Things like the Root still get profiles despite this anyway.
You say this multiple times but Ultima already confirmed the root to be indeed Tier 0 and it meets every single requirement of Tier 0.Perhaps in theory, but in fiction a lot of "characters" are going to become Tier 0. It won't just be inert/non-conscious things like the Root (although the Root will likely not become Tier 0).
The creator was never said to be tier 0 tho. The only way it would be is if it's confirmed to be completely unreachable (Featherine almost reached it). And if it's stayed that only 1 being can be the creator because as far as I can remember, it's called "Creators" rather than "Creator"First the Creator, now the Root getting neglected from its tier 0. Who'll be next, Nemo Ex Machina?
For 1, Creators are not individuals beings. Just because there are multiple Creator avatars does not mean they are separated characters. The whole point is that they loose individuality and become one. Tier 0s still possess the ability to operate through multiple avatars. That isn't an anti-feat.I'm aware of that. What I'm trying to say is that there is more than 1 creator which goes against the Tier 0 requirements. And a tier 0 being cannot be said to eventually reach tier 0 status. It has to have been tier 0 from the start.
I mean, pretty much all the tier 0's HAVE TO BE "bootleg" religious figures to qualify tbh.So now the only tier 0s will be bootleg religious figures
LmaoHey, at least thanks to Ultima I got even more religious than before, so that's something
I see. In that case, maybe Umineko might be tier 0 as well.For 1, Creators are not individuals beings. Just because there are multiple Creator avatars does not mean they are separated characters. The whole point is that they loose individuality and become one. Tier 0s still possess the ability to operate through multiple avatars. That isn't an anti-feat.
For 2, you can "eventually" become a Tier 0 if it is through the method of losing individuality and thus succeeding in transcending the distinction of qualities and becoming one with everything. I just said this.
The Universe:I see. In that case, maybe Umineko might be tier 0 as well.
I'm more interested in which of the characters will get downgraded into oblivion despire previously being the pinnacle of Outerversal and High Outer tiers and even finding their ways into BoundlessI just wonder how many weird upgrades would happen for unexpected characters, I know Uncle Grandpa has a upgrade justification thanks to here
Crazy how we typed this at the same time lmfaoI'm more interested in which of the characters will get downgraded into oblivion despire previously being the pinnacle of Outerversal and High Outer tiers and even finding their ways into Boundless
The hivemind is proud of usCrazy how we types this at the same time lmfao
Guy named Mr.Bambu:Everyone: I wonder what tier scp verse will end up in in the new tier system tier 1-A? h1-A? or maybe tier 0?
Scp verse:
I dunno, ask UltimaWhy are we using the term Monad I get we are using the original meaning but it has another meaning in philosophy as it is used to refer to basic and immaterial elementary particles/simplest units. The Absolute or Ultimate reality seem to have more consistent definitions and refer to a similar if not identical concept.
Most of them Tier 0s will become High 1-A instead, but Bambu cooked the verseEveryone: I wonder what tier scp verse will end up in in the new tier system tier 1-A? h1-A? or maybe tier 0?
Scp verse:
Well, no amount of agenda against Nasu is going to prevent it from reaching tier 0 this time around. Even Ultima's blog uses Apophatic Theology.If we assume The Root is genuinely beyond all descriptions and definitions one can give it, and follows all of the guidelines for 0, I genuinely don’t see why it wouldn’t be 0
Entirely out of convenience. I needed a name and that one worked, so.Why are we using the term Monad I get we are using the original meaning but it has another meaning in philosophy as it is used to refer to basic and immaterial elementary particles/simplest units. The Absolute or Ultimate reality seem to have more consistent definitions and refer to a similar if not identical concept.
Monad physiologyEntirely out of convenience. I needed a name and that one worked, so.
I agree that the Apophatic Theory is 0. However, the concept is impossible to apply and there is no logical sense in using it even when theorizing how it can even work.Well, no amount of agenda against Nasu is going to prevent it from reaching tier 0 this time around. Even Ultima's blog uses Apophatic Theology.
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:Ultima_Reality/thingy#How_to_Qualify
Pretty sure divine simplicity covers everything about it.I agree that the Apophatic Theory is 0. However, the concept is impossible to apply and there is no logical sense in using it even when theorizing how it can even work.
Nah, Axiom still gets high 1-AWelp. I guess SMT would be stuck at 1A then.
(procrastinating)Trust me, you don't want to know what Ultima does when he's actually not doing CRTs.
planning NEXT crt ensuesTrust me, you don't want to know what Ultima does when he's actually not doing CRTs.
in toaru there is no one stronger than the magic god for now, where did you hear Ain Sof nonsenseSo to become level 0, you just have to be inaccessible and not have any qualities? I can then unironically prove level 0 to Ain Sof Aur 000 of ToAru lol. Like nonexistent God that cannot be reached or evolved.
Why don't you ask Shinza supporters directly?Speaking of, when will Masadaverse come back to the Wiki?
Yeah um those concepts blatantly come from broken AF Hindiusm concepts. I wonder if Maharashak Devi and it’s prequel scales to 0 as well…
Speaking of religious concepts, if wog states that a certain character has a achieved a religious state of being, is that enough evidence to apply that to the character, or would there have to be in-verse proof to apply it?Yeah um those concepts blatantly come from broken AF Hindiusm concepts. I wonder if Maharashak Devi and it’s prequel scales to 0 as well…
I think that’s a case by case basis, and they’d have to be pretty explicit . For example, not everyone who obtains Nirvana will be comparable to Buddhism Nirvana. Is there a particular example you have that you want to verify ?Speaking of religious concepts, if wog states that a certain character has a achieved a religious-state, is that enough evidence to apply that to the character, or would there have to be in-verse proof to apply it?
I was just generally curious; I looked over the rules pertaining to gods of real-life religions, but couldn't find anything about the religions themselves. I know that Jujutsu Kaisen used to be stronger by using religious stuff before it was taken out.I think that’s a case by case basis, and they’d have to be pretty explicit . For example, not everyone who obtains Nirvana will be comparable to Buddhism Nirvana. Is there a particular example you have that you want to verify ?