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With the standards of VS Battles it is difficult to obtain a tier 0. It will be necessary to really show the omnipotence of the characters otherwise they will just be in layers of High 1-A if the cosmology is High 1-AVeldanava existing in the first game would be so lit, i have hopes for the second game and there's likely going to be canonicity amongst worlds just like the first game, if we scale the firsr game we could get God to tier 0 and i am not even capping the first reason to this is
Infinite dreams and all that stuff would have to really work like an infinite R>F hierarchy. If so then cosmology could be raised to High 1-A. When you say reality<dream<infinity<dream etc. I don't know if this reality refers to the entire main multiverse of the work, a bit like with Demon King DaimaoThere are infinite dreams, the way it works is 2-A reality<dream<infinity<dream etc
I believe with the current rating of our standards this should be 1-A+ or High 1-A baseline, idk which it is but there are also many many more instances and reason the first order of business is also the canonicity it have with other isekai fantasies, in slime those different worlds are just different anime's (in other word slime is the pinnacle of isekai genre) and the slime multiverse represents all existing isekai fantasy, we even had an official collab with Magical index, anyways, if you read the game article you can see its considered "another world" within slime multiverse (game), in other words in this normal characters can scale to 1-A+ due to their hierarchy of how the R>F works, High 1-A for Izis if God ever becomes a thing in the game then he can be tier 0
(Definitely not going to argue for this in the future)
Well, we're hoping God retains the same characteristics he had in the novel, such as something like thisWith the standards of VS Battles it is difficult to obtain a tier 0. It will be necessary to really show the omnipotence of the characters otherwise they will just be in layers of High 1-A if the cosmology is High 1-A
Each dream is an entire World, so yesInfinite dreams and all that stuff would have to really work like an infinite R>F hierarchy. If so then cosmology could be raised to High 1-A. When you say reality<dream<infinity<dream etc. I don't know if this reality refers to the entire main multiverse of the work, a bit like with Demon King Daimao
The main multiverse is trapped in a mirror, that mirror then becomes the dream of someone its R>F since those who dream are considered "The real ones" and whatever in that dream is fake, as seen with one of the scans i sent, however this dreaming should be eternal, because if the real one wake up the fakes disappears (they aren't really fake, you get it right?) What separates the real ones from the fakes is infinity (called loupe loupe) then this goes on forever, no endWith the standards of VS Battles it is difficult to obtain a tier 0. It will be necessary to really show the omnipotence of the characters otherwise they will just be in layers of High 1-A if the cosmology is High 1-A
Infinite dreams and all that stuff would have to really work like an infinite R>F hierarchy. If so then cosmology could be raised to High 1-A. When you say reality<dream<infinity<dream etc. I don't know if this reality refers to the entire main multiverse of the work, a bit like with Demon King Daimao
I have put this into considerationDiablo should have resistance to Information Analysis, what do you think?
In Veldora's diary, Veldora uses his analysis ability and fails to see all of his power.
"No, Master. He just looks like a simple greater demon to me."
So Ifrit is unable to sense the true nature of the demons Rimuru summoned.
My observation tells me that the one in the middle is an arch demon, however.
That would be evidence that he is capable of mimicking the lower level to disguise himself.
An eccentric demon that comes when he is not called. The ability to hide his arch demon presence in the shell of a mere greater demon. And most curious of all to me, a lifespan be-yond even what I can sense.
Have you been alive for longer than me...?
No, that cannot be true.
It is merely because I am locked in this space. My "Inquirer" skill cannot view him properly.
Even when he evolved his unique skill into an ultimate skill, he couldn't see Diablo's power.
With great confidence, Diablo claimed that he would take re- sponsibility for one of those three issues.
It might sound like the height of arrogance, but in this case, he has the ability to back it up.
Even I cannot fully gauge his power, and on top of that, he seems very crafty.
Ahh, if I were free once again, I could have volunteered to perform such a duty...
"Affirmative: May I take to mean you are volunteering to help Master after your resurrection? YES/NO"
Why must you ask? The answer, of course, is YES!
I would spare no assistance in helping my close friend and ally Rimuru.
"Understood: In that case, let us break Unlimited Imprisonment promptly.
Ah, yes, that is true.
I now have an ability far beyond that of the Unique Skill "In- quirer." I possess the Ultimate Skill known as "Faust." With the help of Raphael, even this Unlimited Imprisonment can- not hold me!
I think he already has this as ultimate skill holderI have put this into consideration
Diablo didn't have an Ultimate Skill at that time, plus I think it's layered resistance since Veldora's Ultimate Skill couldn't analyze its power and totality.I think he already has this as ultimate skill holder
I don't know if we can deal with the passive plot manipulation bullshit with range alone, at best I think it's an incon.How Rimuru(current version) would perform Against Soma Cruz(Castlevania Character)? I think I Did see a thread talking about this match but got discontinue.
Well that's unfortunate, I was hoping an interesting match-up I guess when it come's to this verse It's Either stomped or get stomped or inconI don't know if we can deal with the passive plot manipulation bullshit with range alone, at best I think it's an incon.
plot manip now only works on things it has shown to work, so there are more changes, it by default can't effect CM, NEP, Info type 2, etc, it has to be shown toI don't know if we can deal with the passive plot manipulation bullshit with range alone, at best I think it's an incon.
@Astral_Trinity439
Do I need to tell you to add references?
I don't understand what you are doing here, make edits carefully. Even though you corrected the word changes in the OP that I asked you to correct in the thread and the staff accepted the sentences in their corrected form, you are applying the changes to the profile in its previous state. Also why removed the passive void manipulation (non-existentence erasure) in Rimuru's Pre-Ultimate Slime key. (if you have made such mistakes on other pages, you need to correct them)
And please, if you made a mistake while editing, automatically undo all edits, you are making too many mistakes trying to undo manually.
Profiles can't stay that way, either all edits need to be undone and someone needs to reapply all the changes, or you need to fix them.
Ah OKWell, we're hoping God retains the same characteristics he had in the novel, such as something like this
Each dream is an entire World, so yes
and by World I mean a Space-Time Continuum[quality is bad for this one], an entire Universe
and this goes infinitely, dreams within dreams within dreams and so on, and all of it as a whole being called an "Infinity mirror", which is basically done by Izis surrounding something with mirrors, and fun fact, the you can even stack multiple of these on top of each other
and than we have the Cardinal World acting as the "Real World" seeing the entire mirror hierarchy as fictional
I see. ThanksThe main multiverse is trapped in a mirror, that mirror then becomes the dream of someone its R>F since those who dream are considered "The real ones" and whatever in that dream is fake, as seen with one of the scans i sent, however this dreaming should be eternal, because if the real one wake up the fakes disappears (they aren't really fake, you get it right?) What separates the real ones from the fakes is infinity (called loupe loupe) then this goes on forever, no end
Oh. If only Fuse had done LN cosmology at this levelGame have High 1-A+ cosmology but no real hax
Best hax in game seems to be CM2 and reality warping, if there's more you can help me find
I see but I have something to ask.This wouldn't be High 1-A or 1-A. The hierarchy, if valid for R>F with no anti-feats, is going downward not upward. It would not make those of the base reality higher even if these dreams are real or infinite.
The base reality is just that, a base reality that itself doesn't meet the criteria of being 1-A, but because the dreams are below it in this proposed qualitative hierarchy they can't be 1-A either.
OKAs mentioned the base reality where the majority of Slime takes place does not meet the criteria of being a 1-A reality, you can put as many lower realities as you want below it but this fact does not change.
It basically doesn't follow the first two rules of the new reality-fiction relationships, and if I'm not wrong I don't believe it follows the third either.
Damn, guess we hitting the scriptAs mentioned the base reality where the majority of Slime takes place does not meet the criteria of being a 1-A reality, you can put as many lower realities as you want below it but this fact does not change.
It basically doesn't follow the first two rules of the new reality-fiction relationships, and if I'm not wrong I don't believe it follows the third either.
It can give layered resistance, but where it's stated that Faust couldn't analyze him. I think it only mentions InquirerI don't know if we can deal with the passive plot manipulation bullshit with range alone, at best I think it's an incon.
True, the veldora journal was also a moment of when Veldora was still in rimuru's stomachIt can give layered resistance, but where it's stated that Faust couldn't analyze him. I think it only mentions inquirer
Yeah.True, the veldora journal was also a moment of when Veldora was still in rimuru's stomach
I'll add the refs for SLF page, apologies for that, as for skills and magic, well, a lot of links there are broken, so I'm instead working on redoing the whole page with scans and refs separately, it will take some time, though@Astral_Trinity439
Do I need to tell you to add references?
I don't understand what you are doing here, make edits carefully. Even though you corrected the word changes in the OP that I asked you to correct in the thread and the staff accepted the sentences in their corrected form, you are applying the changes to the profile in its previous state.
I had made some editing mistakes, and accidentally removed the immeasurable speed rating as wellAlso why removed the passive void manipulation (non-existentence erasure) in Rimuru's Pre-Ultimate Slime key. (if you have made such mistakes on other pages, you need to correct them)
You forgot one thing, well, I'll quote Ultima in that caseAs mentioned the base reality where the majority of Slime takes place does not meet the criteria of being a 1-A reality, you can put as many lower realities as you want below it but this fact does not change.
It basically doesn't follow the first two rules of the new reality-fiction relationships, and if I'm not wrong I don't believe it follows the third either.
The main requirement is for the lower reality [in this case, what is considered fiction to the higher reality] must be some Dimensional world, which is fulfilled by it being a Space-time, a generally 4th Dimensional construct [still within the standard notion of dimensionality] which a mirror world can containOuterverse level: Characters whose power/magnitude is qualitatively, rather than simply quantitatively, above lesser things. That is to say: Their superiority is strictly tied to their ontology, and so they are not expressible as the union of anything lesser than themselves. A practical example of this are chatacters who view realities as fiction, exceeding them so much that they are seen as illusory, insubstantial and immaterial.
This is contrasted with things like inaccessible cardinals, which are unreachable by sums of sets smaller than themselves, in quantities smaller than themselves. Thus, even sets as large as those are still composed of things that, individually, are smaller than the whole. Reality, however, is not composed of any amount of fictional things, as its superiority over them is not numerical or quantity-based whatsoever.
This tier can be divided in "layers." For example, a character who sees some dimensioned world as fictional would be considered to be at the "baseline" of this tier. A character who sees that entity as fiction, then, would be a single level above baseline, and so on and so forth. A character who stands infinitely-many layers above the baseline is to receive a "+" modifier next to their tier. - source
Btw you do not need to add the Light Novel prefix at the beginning of the reference.refs
I kinda am used to doing it out of habit, xDBtw you do not need to add the Light Novel prefix at the beginning of the reference.
Information and information particles are 2 different things, informations are info type 2, the particles are quantum manip. The 2 are related, manipulating 1 of them will make you manipulating the other by defoultWhy do you guys treat Information Particles as genuine Info Type 2 when they seem to have measurable, physical mass and size as said in the very scans you guys use to say they have Information Type 2? This just seems like Quantum manipulation to me tbh. I recall seeing in another thread that they had an actual finite value (Something like 0.000001 or whatever) ascribed to them as well. I will try and find that.
I didn't exactly understood your pointWhy is magic treated as this extremely esoteric law and concept warping ability in the verse. Just being able to bypass "laws" doesn't mean you have law manipulation. The magic page describes magic as being "The ability to allow manipulating aspects of reality (or all of them), bypassing the known laws of physics." I haven't seen anything in Tensei Slime that actually goes outside of that definition so far. Magic is literally inherently the ability to manifest things that break the laws of worlds.
Which one? You mean cm 1 in general or only for magic or SLF physiology or others?Generally I'd also like to specifically see the evidence for Type 1 Conceptual Manipulation because I have some concerns.
- Why do Spiritual Lifeforms have type 5 immortality? Overcoming death via willpower is supernatural willpower, not existing outside the concept of death itself.
5: Deathless Immortality: Characters who exist unbound by conventional life or death, or do not exist at all, and thus cannot be traditionally killed. Typically, abilities such as Existence Erasure are needed to destroy them.
I believe the justification shows that they are not bound by conventional life and death.
- Why is magic treated as this extremely esoteric law and concept warping ability in the verse. Just being able to bypass "laws" doesn't mean you have law manipulation. The magic page describes magic as being "The ability to allow manipulating aspects of reality (or all of them), bypassing the known laws of physics." I haven't seen anything in Tensei Slime that actually goes outside of that definition so far. Magic is literally inherently the ability to manifest things that break the laws of worlds.
I think that's enough to explain. Magic in Tensura has been described as manipulating laws and stuffMagic, Law Manipulation, Subjective Reality and Conceptual Manipulation (Type 1; The concept of Magic revolves around inserting one's Will into the Magicules, the Embodiment of One's mind to project the User's Will into Reality[6][7][8], and to bring a Non-Real, Fictional[9], and Non-physical Phenomenon into Reality by manipulating the Set of Laws governing the World called the World Language[10]; The Great Spirits are the Attributes, the Laws governing the Principle of the World and a Natural Phenomenon in its purest, most original form[11], Pre-Conventional Reality Conceptions; Magic can harm Spiritual Lifeforms[12])
Can you explain how that works with scans? Because I could say the same thing about stuff like electricity and radiation. Both of which are medians used to convey information through particles. Yet you wouldn't get Information Type 2 for manipulating those aspects.Information and information particles are 2 different things, informations are info type 2, the particles are quantum manip. The 2 are related, manipulating 1 of them will make you manipulating the other by defoult
Magic by default bypasses physical laws so why is Tensei Slime treating that as some kind of crazy law manip power.I didn't exactly understood your point
It doesn't. It just says they can overcome death via will. That's supernatural willpower.I believe the justification shows that they are not bound by conventional life and death.
My point is that all magic manipulates physical laws to some extent. So I wanted to see if there are any particular scans where someone changes a law in such a way that it affects the laws areas of influence.I think that's enough to explain. Magic in Tensura has been described as manipulating laws and stuff
Both.Which one? You mean cm 1 in general or only for magic or SLF physiology or others?
1. I don't understand much about type 5 immortality so I'll leave it.Guys I have noticed many slight issues with the Slime verse that I feel like might be wanking the verse a bit.
I have some concerns but I will start with some minor things that have been bugging me.
- Why do Spiritual Lifeforms have type 5 immortality? Overcoming death via willpower is supernatural willpower, not existing outside the concept of death itself.
- Why does LN Rimiru have high regeneration in slime key? He has not demonstrated anything above Low-High, and the statements used do no support molecular regeneration.
- Why do you guys treat Information Particles as genuine Info Type 2 when they seem to have measurable, physical mass and size as said in the very scans you guys use to say they have Information Type 2? This just seems like Quantum manipulation to me tbh. I recall seeing in another thread that they had an actual finite value (Something like 0.000001 or whatever) ascribed to them as well. I will try and find that.
- Why is magic treated as this extremely esoteric law and concept warping ability in the verse. Just being able to bypass "laws" doesn't mean you have law manipulation. The magic page describes magic as being "The ability to allow manipulating aspects of reality (or all of them), bypassing the known laws of physics." I haven't seen anything in Tensei Slime that actually goes outside of that definition so far. Magic is literally inherently the ability to manifest things that break the laws of worlds.
- Generally I'd also like to specifically see the evidence for Type 1 Conceptual Manipulation because I have some concerns.
That's all for now! I just wanted to see if you guys could explain some things.
Character with Immo type 5 can get killed, there is no much context in how they got killed so i don't think those scans are enought for a downgarde. The energy thing is a bit complicated, it's about core, souls and a lot of shit, i really don't want to deal with this, so i hope someone more knowledgable will come.
it's full of scan everywhere. I don't have time to put them all here. Go to the immeasurable speed blog, to the general concepts page and also the scans that already are there.Can you explain how that works with scans? Because I could say the same thing about stuff like electricity and radiation. Both of which are medians used to convey information through particles. Yet you wouldn't get Information Type 2 for manipulating those aspects.
The scan is right there, they manipulate the laws of the world, this isn't physical laws or whatever, this is law of space, law of time, law of directions and contradictions, law of darkness, law of lightMy point is that all magic manipulates physical laws to some extent. So I wanted to see if there are any particular scans where someone changes a law in such a way that it affects the laws areas of influence.
High humans are spiritual lifeformsType 5 immortality is useless if you are erased from existence...
In the scans here:
1. They ceased to exist =/ death for them
2. Those scans are beyond volume 15, literally if you die it is because you are erased from the World forever.
3. In that scan what are you trying to say?
The High Humans as I remember were never considered Spiritual Life Forms.