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Retired staff members are honorary staff. And yes.Mathew isn't a staff plus can you add yourself?
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Retired staff members are honorary staff. And yes.Mathew isn't a staff plus can you add yourself?
How is the WotL that is being pulled toward Soul Society only referring to the planet, if the sky isn't affected whatsoever in every scene that it's visible during the film? And the first scene we see, is both worlds already beginning to move towards each other, so the greater sky and sun etc not changing is questionable. Worst case scenario, the Senna feat would have to be moving a larger portion of space, including the sun and stars.
This^Novel states SS, HM and WOL are three realms of existence not just planets. If they are just planets they should have affected by gravity pulled together. Beside even senna pushing them back didn't had any affect on either of them.
Every verse has their own set of rules.I mean, it is common sense. I keep seeing arguments like "Garganta is not space". Are you guys not at all familiar with how dimensions are supposed to work? I'd suggest gaining knowledge by getting into other verses where these concepts have been touched upon because this is disappointing.
How is the living world being pulled toward the Soul Society if the stars and even The Sun aren't seen moving away or being affected, in even the smallest capacity?Why would the sky be affected? We're not assuming the planets are zooming through space on an unconventional course.
So you agree both are in Seperate dimension. So can you explain how planets gonna collide when they are inside seperate dimension.Why would Earth and SS be hurtling through space? They are not in the same space. Even if they move in their own spaces they would never move towards each other because they are in separate dimensions. They are moving across dimensions, and the movement is being facilitated by another separate dimension, Kyogoku. They don't need to be moving in their own spaces to be pulled towards each other across dimensions by the Kyogoku.
So these two separate structured spaces are being moved towards each other, and they're not being moved through space/ the universe since they exist in different spaces.Your argument literally assumes that WotL and SS are in the same space and are physically moving around the universe. No. That's not what is happening. You've got the details all wrong.
This.......I'm confused, if the living world is an observable universe and the soul society is in a different dimension and they are portrayed as the same size, how is it that two planets are going to collide and not two universes?
Your argument literally assumes that WotL and SS are in the same space and are physically moving around the universe. No. That's not what is happening. You've got the details all wrong.
Response to the recent comment: please watch the movie. It is explained in that. The planets are connected together via Dangai. Plus they got connected together via a different dimension too which made Earth's town visible in SS's sky. Smh this is frustrating.
Please can you post a scan where it's stated both realms Boundary was distorted.So you agree both are in Seperate dimension. So can you explain how planets gonna collide when they are inside seperate dimension.
Also I want to point out the valley of screams space was created inside Dangai not in boundary between two dimensions. There was no space distorted to just affect two planets.
I still don't get it why this should move to staff thread. What's so difficult to understand both are different realms and Collison didn't had any effect on either of them. If it's Planet then they should have had some effect. Even senna pushing away did nothing to them.This is probably best left as a staff thread, since there's a lot of people just spamming the same counters, people who aren't even countering what AKM is saying because they don't understand it properly, etc.
I'm not talking about the points that are actually being discussed. There's a lot of people just coming in repeating things that aren't on topic that have to be told things like "this was already addressed in the OP" and etc. I am neutral on the CRT itself.I still don't get it why this should move to staff thread. What's so difficult to understand both are different realms and Collison didn't had any effect on either of them. If it's Planet then they should have had some effect. Even senna pushing away did nothing to them.
I have always been willing to grit my teeth and compromise with a possibly, even if I don't entirely agree with it. So count me in for that.You all can go for the compromise of “At least 5-B, possibly/likely 3-A to Low 2-C“
But I know many still won’t like that, but at this point, no new content in relation to this topic has been revealed at all and yet this is the 4th Major CRT talking about this exact topic... Like maybe just go for the compromise, or do this dance until once side eventually gives up
I dunno, I don’t read Bleach enough to say with interpretation is better, all I’m saying is this is the same back and forth as the first CRT
I would actually be fine with this compromise since arguing whether the realms are universes or planets is really just semantics and different interpretations. I think a at least 5b possibly 3a or likely 3a rating is fine.You all can go for the compromise of “At least 5-B, possibly/likely 3-A to Low 2-C“
But I know many still won’t like that, but at this point, no new content in relation to this topic has been revealed at all and yet this is the 4th Major CRT talking about this exact topic... Like maybe just go for the compromise, or do this dance until once side eventually gives up
I dunno, I don’t read Bleach enough to say which interpretation is better, all I’m saying is this is the same back and forth as the first CRT
Unfortunately Bureaucrats definitely have the authority to put their foot down on something, even if we don't agree with it.
Pretty clear OP doesn't make sense.I'm not talking about the points that are actually being discussed. There's a lot of people just coming in repeating things that aren't on topic that have to be told things like "this was already addressed in the OP" and etc. I am neutral on the CRT itself.
I don’t have an issue with the thread being now.IMade’s comment just gave me a chuckle lol. Staff aren’t doing this in ill will, AKM went out of his way to talk with Cyber and I prior to this. So it’s all in good faith.
World of the Living, Soul Society and Hueco Mundo are planets. I don’t think this needs much elaboration. HOWEVER, they’re also realms (I’ll call them universes, for which I’ll drop an explanation later). The terms WotL, SS and HM are and can be used for both the planets and the universes. This is confirmed both visually in the manga and contextually through the CFYOW novel.
As stated in CFYOW novel, Yhwach wanted to return the world to its original state. As we already confirmed, Soul King split the primordial world (aka the world in its original state) into 3 universes. Thereby, Yhwach wanting to uno reverse Soul King’s actions would mean he wants to destroy the universes and fuse them, as destroying the planets would accomplish nothing.
You fail to understand: I am not saying the OP is correct, nor am I saying you are. I don't care either way. The thread, as most big bleach threads tend to be, isn't the most organized and there have been a lot of people doing what I said.Pretty clear OP doesn't make sense.
1. Without destroying boundary between two dimensions/realms the planets can't collide.
2. Valley of screams was created inside Dangai to distort Dangai space not realms Boundary.
3. There was no affects of Collision or Senna pushing them on neither WOL nor SS.
This pretty much clears up misinterpretation.
I still don't get it whats there to understand. There is no way just planets were moved out of both realms and came back when senna pushed them. This doesn't even make sense
Sorry I thought you are agreeing with the thread.You fail to understand: I am not saying the OP is correct, nor am I saying you are. I don't care either way. The thread, as most big bleach threads tend to be, isn't the most organized and there have been a lot of people doing what I said.
this is actually the best, because in my comment at the start, I clearly made good points about realms size, and the relation between kishi and Reishi, truth to be told even If I act against bleach hypothetically, there are undoubtedly statements that support the realm being the universe, there are multiple, even if everyone magically accept they are planets, I think no one can deny the existence of them.You all can go for the compromise of “At least 5-B, possibly/likely 3-A to Low 2-C“
But I know many still won’t like that, but at this point, no new content in relation to this topic has been revealed at all and yet this is the 4th Major CRT talking about this exact topic... Like maybe just go for the compromise, or do this dance until once side eventually gives up
I dunno, I don’t read Bleach enough to say which interpretation is better, all I’m saying is this is the same back and forth as the first CRT
In this instance, with the context we have from everything discussed above, there is more than sufficient information to conclude that WotL and SS are referring to planets. And even if we did not have so much evidence, we would still have defaulted to the lower interpretation. Because the higher assumption needs explicit undeniable evidence, which doesn't exist.
Sorry I still can't see any of your point making any sense.Pretty clear OP doesn't make sense.
1. Without destroying boundary between two dimensions/realms the planets can't collide.
2. Valley of screams was created inside Dangai to distort Dangai space not realms Boundary.
3. There was no affects of Collision or Senna pushing them on neither WOL nor SS.
This pretty much clears up misinterpretation.
I still don't get it whats there to understand. There is no way just planets were moved out of both realms and came back when senna pushed them. This doesn't even make sense.
Aside from Kisuke's diagram representing them as dimensions, Rukia saying Hollows hide between SS and WotL, all the statements in TYBW of Yhwach wanting to destroy the realms where the Novels clarify he will destroy the boundaries between them (the dimensional walls), the simile of the worlds being likened to planets therefore they aren't actual planets in the context of the quote etcDefinitely not seeing any room for possibly or likely for the other assumption because the evidence for such is insufficient and based on higher assumptions without much backing. Not sure why it is even suggested when there are 6 staff currently in agreement with the proposal and 2 neutral with no disagreements. We don't do compromises just to make people happy. Accuracy is important above all. I'll quote myself once again:
1. There are many many instances where they explicitly refer to planets.
2. There are instances where we cannot determine for sure whether they are talking about the planets.
3. But there is not a single instance where they explicitly undeniably 100% refer to universes.
Lets assume the planets and only the planets are indeed the stuff being moved. How are they being pulled towards each other? Above you said that they are spatially separated while they are being moved but that means a dimension is being moved as the planet itself has no dimensional boundary. You said that there would be no change in the night sky but that doesn't work as if its just the planets being moved, the stars, moon etc would not be there in the sky.Even if we are going to analyze the usage on a case-by-case basis, then let's analyze the movie.
Does the movie refer to WotL and SS in context of the planets?
Yes. We have Kisuke's direct statement that SS is in a different dimension, a distinction between SS planet and the dimension in which it is, calling the planet as SS and not calling the dimension anything particular. We have a statement saying "town from the WotL" which implies Earth more than it implies universe. And lastly we have visuals of planets being pulled together and SS's sky showing an image of Earth.
You're right. The movie never refers to the SS and WotL as universes but the manga and novels do refer to them as dimensions.Does the movie refer to WotL and SS as universes.
No, there is no instance of it.
So Senna set off nukes on both planets with enough force to yeet them out of the Dangai?With the context we have from the movie itself, that much is enough for Senna's feat to be treated as "pushing away two planets".
Once again, they CAN refer to the planets. Context of SS and WotL being on a collision course with each other and how everything that surrounds those planets not changing tells us that its not the planets but the dimensions that are being moved. The Valley making contact with the wall of the dimensions is what is connected them. The night sky doesn't change for either world which means that more than just the planets were being moved.And like I said in the OP:
In this instance, with the context we have from everything discussed above, there is more than sufficient information to conclude that WotL and SS are referring to planets. And even if we did not have so much evidence, we would still have defaulted to the lower interpretation. Because the higher assumption needs explicit undeniable evidence, which doesn't exist.
- "But sekai can also mean universe. They don't have to be planets. They could be universes."