King (Nanatsu no Taizai) vs Erza Scarlet (Fairy Tail)

[speedster352]

If Ezra doesn't have the holy hammer she can't resist memory erasure, certification and bfr so king since he can destroy the hammer or just pry it away with telekinesis king wins
Holy hammer the hammer protects its wielder from the effects of Real Nightmare(mind manipulation and transmutation) and can dispel the effects from others.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Probably the worst NNT debater i ever seen like mother of god..

 

[speedster352]

Probably the worst NNT debater i ever seen like mother of god..

What happened to remaining civil?

 

[speedster352]

Inconclusive then?

 

[Nierre]

no

 

[speedster352]

What are the votes then?

 

[Nierre]

5-8 in Erza's favor

It's grace period rn

 

[Duedate8898]

This thread looks like it has turned into a mess. Anyhow, it would be nice if someone answered my earlier question:

What are Erza's go to Armor's in this key? From what I've seen of the series, she is a bit picky normally will what she starts out with and will wait a bit in a fight before pulling out said stronger armors.

Also I saw mentions of enchantments, I don't think Erza can use those in this fights since they bust her up to a higher tier.

 

[speedster352]

This thread looks like it has turned into a mess. Anyhow, it would be nice if someone answered my earlier question:

Also I saw mentions of enchantments, I don't think Erza can use those in this fights since they bust her up to a higher tier.

No, she can't use the enchantment since it's the power of base Natsu and demon slayer mark grey and outside help is not allowed and since they aren't in the same universe in this battle saying that she can still use their powers is a nlf. She only has one weapon that allows her to resist transmutation and mind manipulation which is the holy hammer and she never starts off with that all king needs to do is pry the hammer away or destroy it then petrify or memory erase Ezra.

 

[Duedate8898]

While petrification is a possibility, Memory Erasing is pretty OOC for King so I don't think that's really a reliable means for him. And I more just want to know what armor's Erza starts out with so I can form my own opinion on all of this.

 

[speedster352]

While petrification is a possibility, Memory Erasing is pretty OOC for King so I don't think that's really a reliable means for him. And I more just want to know what armor's Erza starts out with so I can form my own opinion on all of this.

Using standard battle assumptions she would start off with armour that allows her to fly towards king quickly since she can't teleport to get close then the fight starts assuming that king doesn't fight her from a range considering that they are 4km apart. Well for king once he realizes he is having trouble with his opponent or if the opponent is unkillable(ban) he would petrify them so memory erasure is possible or bfr via oslo and portal creation.

 

[speedster352]

King can only use 1 spear at a range however he can constantly switch forms and he can use 4 at close range and the spears are this large and remember that Diane is 30 feet tall. It can explode on contact with a large blast radius and block point-blank explosions and restore itself instantaneously and is mostly indestructable. It can also deal with very fast explosions and hit them. Last but not least he can do this.

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

No, she can't use the enchantment since it's the power of base Natsu and demon slayer mark grey and outside help is not allowed and since they aren't in the same universe in this battle saying that she can still use their powers is a nlf.

She's literally not taking their magic power and applying it to her swords, she doesn't need their consent nor them literally giving her their magic power.

She literally enchanted her swords on the spot during a fight when Natsu and Gray were somewhere else busy with their own fights. Wendy taught her High Enchantment enabling her to do Enchantments by herself using her own source of magic.

 

[speedster352]

She's literally not taking their magic power and applying it to her swords, she doesn't need their consent nor them literally giving her their magic power.

She literally enchanted her swords on the spot during a fight when Natsu and Gray were somewhere else busy with their own fights. Wendy taught her High Enchantment enabling her to do Enchantments by herself using her own source of magic.

Lol she said lend me your powers grey and Natsu. No outside help or power sources are allowed. Does it have infinite range since they are in another universe that a non-limits fallacy.

 

[Duedate8898]

Whether its outside help or not doesn't matter, and in the right match up I'm pretty sure the power wouldn't be disallowed. The true problem is that it propels her into a higher tier, which is normally disallowed.

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

Whether its outside help or not doesn't matter, and in the right match up I'm pretty sure the power wouldn't be disallowed. The true problem is that it propels her into a higher tier, which is normally disallowed.

It should be allowed as it's only a 4X difference

King is 25.2 Gigatons

While Erza's Enchantment is 103.2 Gigatons

 

[speedster352]

Whether its outside help or not doesn't matter, and in the right match up I'm pretty sure the power wouldn't be disallowed. The true problem is that it propels her into a higher tier, which is normally disallowed.

It's a non-limits fallacy does it have an infinite range? They are in another universe this fight is in the fairy kings forest in NNT, not FT and outside help is not allowed anyway.

 

[speedster352]

It should be allowed as it's only a 4X difference

King is 25.2 Gigatons

While Erza's Enchantment is 103.2 Gigatons

Non-limits fallacy the borrowing of power doesn't have infinite range. Here is the definition No Limits Fallacy (NLF) This is when someone states that because something has not demonstrated any limits (or only certain limits) then it has none (or only the ones demonstrated). Example: "Itachi said that no one without a Mangekyou Sharingan can defeat him. Should I continue? I am being generous here if they were in the same universe I would accept this but no just no they are in another universe.

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

How can it be outside help when it's something that was taught to Erza by Wendy, and something that Erza trained to do on her own?

The Enchantment copies the properties of Natsu and Gray's Magic and applies to it Erza's swords.

 

[Duedate8898]

It should be allowed as it's only a 4X difference

King is 25.2 Gigatons

While Erza's Enchantment is 103.2 Gigatons

Still a higher tier, especially since King isn't in + range for 6-C so it isn't fair for the matchup. I don't think it should or would be allowed normally.

It's a non-limits fallacy does it have an infinite range? They are in another universe this fight is in the fairy kings forest in NNT, not FT and outside help is not allowed anyway.

Non-limits fallacy the borrowing of power doesn't have infinite range.

Neither of those really matter, as long as Grey and Natsu don't directly jump into the fight I'm sure it would be fine to use for a match-up. They can be somewhere in the universe so she can use it, but there are plenty of characters whose power directly relies on them drawing it from others in the wiki that we don't have this problem with. So just drop it. There are other reasons why Enchantment wouldn't be allowed.

 

[speedster352]

How can it be outside help when it's something that was taught to Erza by Wendy, and something that Erza trained to do on her own?

The Enchantment copies the properties of Natsu and Gray's Magic and applies to it Erza's swords.

She said lend me their strength and on her profile it says that she is borrowing the power of grey and natsu.

 

[speedster352]

Still a higher tier, especially since King isn't in + range for 6-C so it isn't fair for the matchup. I don't think it should or would be allowed normally.


Neither of those really matter, as long as Grey and Natsu don't directly jump into the fight I'm sure it would be fine to use for a match-up. They can be somewhere in the universe so she can use it, but there are plenty of characters whose power directly relies on them drawing it from others in the wiki that we don't have this problem with. So just drop it. There are other reasons why Enchantment wouldn't be allowed.

Fine but it's still a non-limits fallacy so can merlin boost King's attacks from a distance? You can't pick and choose so both sides should be allowed to get a boost from a long distance away.

 

[Duedate8898]

No, Merlin isn't allowed to boost because, unlike Erza, King doesn't have any magic power that allows him to call on Merlin's power to share her magic with him or anything like that.

 

[speedster352]

The op should switch the Ezra key or restrict her enchantment or restrict the power of friendship and emotion. what do you think @Rabbit2002

 

[Lugh_Tuathe_Dé]

Erza FRA

 

[speedster352]

Erza FRA

See what I am talking about but the op should make the changes @Rabbit2002

 

[TheForgottenKing]

Erza FRA

 

[speedster352]

No, Merlin isn't allowed to boost because, unlike Erza, King doesn't have any magic power that allows him to call on Merlin's power to share her magic with him or anything like that.

Have you made up your mind yet?

 

[speedster352]

Probably the worst NNT debater i ever seen like mother of god..

Why don't you debate NNt then?

King can only use 1 spear at a range however he can constantly switch forms and he can use 4 at close range and the spears are this large and remember that Diane is 30 feet tall. It can explode on contact with a large blast radius and block point-blank explosions and restore itself instantaneously and is mostly indestructable. It can also deal with very fast explosions and hit them. Last but not least he can do this.

 

[Duedate8898]

Have you made up your mind yet?

No because no supporter's for Erza bothered answering my question.

 

[speedster352]

No because no supporter's for Erza bothered answering my question.

That makes two of us.

 

[speedster352]

inconclusive then unless the op could make some changes what do you think? @ByAsura

 

[Lugh_Tuathe_Dé]

Yea no, don't go deciding on your own

 

[AnonymousBlank]

Lol she said lend me your powers grey and Natsu. No outside help or power sources are allowed. Does it have infinite range since they are in another universe that a non-limits fallacy.

You do realise that she isn’t being literal, right? That’s just the typical friendship stuff in Fairy Tail. It’s like Natsu saying “Come on guys. I can’t beat him by myself.”

Team Natsu sans Natsu proceeds to do nothing to Mercphobia while Natsu up and bodies the overgrown sea snake by himself

No because no supporter's for Erza bothered answering my question.

Sorry bout that, was off all day. Erza typically leads with her Heaven’s Wheel armor to spam a bunch of different element weapons to test if her opponent has any basic weaknesses. HW scales to the 68.8 gigatons but if she sees King using any stuff that one of her armors counter, she will swap to it on a dime while still using her most suitable weapon against him.

Anyone know what King’s opening move is in character?

 

[Duedate8898]

The profile doesn't put Heaven's Wheel at that AP, and for good reason, HW's isn't one of Erza's strongest armors and hasn't been presented as such for most of what I've seen of the series. So I assume that armor scales to the 17.2 Gigaton range.

And to answer the question about King, he throws his spear in True Spirit Spear Chastiefol: Form 1 which is just the spear in big mode then gets closer for better control

 

[speedster352]

The profile doesn't put Heaven's Wheel at that AP, and for good reason, HW's isn't one of Erza's strongest armors and hasn't been presented as such for most of what I've seen of the series. So I assume that armor scales to the 17.2 Gigaton range.

And to answer the question about King, he throws his spear in True Spirit Spear Chastiefol: Form 1 which is just the spear in big mode then gets closer for better control

Yeah, he prefers to fight at a range since they are 4km away with one spear only but if he has to he can fight to close up with at least 4 spirit spears at once.

 

[AnonymousBlank]

The profile doesn't put Heaven's Wheel at that AP, and for good reason, HW's isn't one of Erza's strongest armors and hasn't been presented as such for most of what I've seen of the series. So I assume that armor scales to either the 17.2 Gigaton range.

In FT it was one of her basic armors in the sense that she used it a bunch but it’s honestly one of her stronger ones when you look at all of the opponents she uses it against when said opponents scale above her weaker stuff like the Empress Armors. IN 100YQ she uses it to fight Red Lightning Laxus who bullies Clear Heart Erza and requires Erza to use her High Enchant and Belserion sword to fight him before she even pulled HW. Note that Laxus couldn’t actually destroy it even though they are clashing.

And to answer the question about King, he throws his spear in True Spirit Spear Chastiefol: Form 1 which is just the spear in big mode then gets closer for better control

So Erza just weaves it and spams dozens of weapons at him? Also if he moves in close, he gives up his range advantage and basically lets Erza wail on him.

 

[speedster352]

He can use 4 spirit spears at close range at once read this. He can switch forms quickly at a range he started with a giant laser beam.

King can only use 1 spear at a range however he can constantly switch forms and he can use 4 at close range and the spears are this large and remember that Diane is 30 feet tall. It can explode on contact with a large blast radius and block point-blank explosions and restore itself instantaneously and is mostly indestructable. It can also deal with very fast explosions and hit them. Last but not least he can do this.

Please read this also king can use telekinesis on Ezra's weapons and turn them against her.

 

[Duedate8898]

In FT it was one of her basic armors in the sense that she used it a bunch but it’s honestly one of her stronger ones when you look at all of the opponents she uses it against when said opponents scale above her weaker stuff like the Empress Armors. IN 100YQ she uses it to fight Red Lightning Laxus who bullies Clear Heart Erza and requires Erza to use her High Enchant and Belserion sword to fight him before she even pulled HW. Note that Laxus couldn’t actually destroy it even though they are clashing.

Hmm, I don't really find that notion agreeable. Erza tends to spam HW while with her armors that she considers stronger, she's been shown to be more conservative due to how they tend to each have drawbacks. To declare one of her default armors as one of her strongest kinda throws into question said strongest armors especially when this one would cover most of her needs in combat. Not to mention that even following that, it still wouldn't be scaled as such due to how her profile is broken down. That should be handled in a CRT.

So Erza just weaves it and spams dozens of weapons at him? Also if he moves in close, he gives up his range advantage and basically lets Erza wail on him.

While King will move in closer, it would be more within the hundred's of meter range not actual close range. He's a ranged combatant in the series after all, he has just been shown to not attempt extended combat from far away. And while Erza can spam weapons at him, King has been shown to counter Danmka with his own which I do believe is comparable to if not better than Erza's, especially in True Spirit form.

 

[speedster352]

Hmm, I don't really find that notion agreeable. Erza tends to spam HW while with her armors that she considers stronger, she's been shown to be more conservative due to how they tend to each have drawbacks. To declare one of her default armors as one of her strongest kinda throws into question said strongest armors especially when this one would cover most of her needs in combat. Not to mention that even following that, it still wouldn't be scaled as such due to how her profile is broken down. That should be handled in a CRT.

While King will move in closer, it would be more within the hundred's of meter range not actual close range. He's a ranged combatant in the series after all, he has just been shown to not attempt extended combat from far away. And while Erza can spam weapons at him, King has been shown to counter Danmka with his own which I do believe is comparable to if not better than Erza's, especially in True Spirit form.

Alright, what's your stance on this?

King can only use 1 spear at a range however he can constantly switch forms and he can use 4 at close range and the spears are this large and remember that Diane is 30 feet tall. It can explode on contact with a large blast radius and block point-blank explosions and restore itself instantaneously and is mostly indestructable. It can also deal with very fast explosions and hit them. Last but not least he can do this.

Do you agree with this?