PrinceofPein
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Yes, most times it is metaphorical and it is because of other powers they got.
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You need to prove it is metaphorical. Especially, the statement “they don't live” actual literal comes from a wise person.
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I never said unbound by order, I said they are unbound by death and life which grants immortality type 5
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Yeah just want says that
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PrinceofPein
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They don't live because.......
Has a reason already
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Somehow ironic, because immortal means they don't die and not they don't live. Bad proof.
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My intention wasn't to say requirements for type 5 were there. It was to show conventional methods aren't enough to kill gods, further asserting the fact that they've only been killed by EE or CM which would support the "god is immortal and doesn't even live" statement.
Eugo la Raviaz as well was completely fine when stabbed in the face by Venuzdonoa. Venuzdonoa negates types 2 & 3 immortality which are the only things that would help one to survive that. This isn't to automatically say its type 5 by process of elimination, but to support the statement that the type 5 proposal comes from.
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They weren't metaphorical statements though. Not to mention that excluding the fact the chapters they're taking from aren't far apart (only 4 chapters) the time stamp on them is far longer (2000+ yrs). They were also said in the exact same way and ends by saying that they're immortal and don't even live.
They aren't undead, neither do they have any inorganic physiology or incorporeality and are still show characteristics of living things.
The supporting evidence is enough to deduce the statement as type 5.
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You swapped the order there. They are immortal and don't even live
PrinceofPein
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God is immortal and therefore not even alive, therefore we have no fear we only exist for this world to continue.......
This not even alive is not literal, talking about having no emotions I mean this here says that
And again this would mean all gods have type 5, which will be wrong since this is a general statement about all gods not a few gods.
So your proof of type 5 is not really type 5.
I gave an example, think of it as TD, they transcend both life and death, and they cannot be said to be alive or dead.
But certainly gods can be said to be alive, since they need to be alive for their order to not crumble. So they are certainly alive.
This was what gave type 5 back then among other things
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It was literal, was used as a supporting statement to show they lack a mind. The quote you have there is from a different chapter where Anos most likely madness haxxed nousgalia.
Why would all gods having type 5 in the first place be wrong? That's what the point of the statement is.
They don't have to be alive for their order to not be disrupted, they have to exist. Hell eques got turned into a hope kiln.
Can't really say much about the TD stuff but is that the only way to get it?
Besides gods are order and are not bound to what they govern. All gods are one order. The order of creation, birth and destruction, death government life, death, birth, rebirth, creation, destruction. Meaning they aren't bound to conventional life and death by the very nature of order
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Yes the same progression of event showing what he meant by dead means no emotions/mind.
Since in the first scan he said something that is immortal has no fear
Cause they are alive and well
they have to exist as in living and not dead.
Do you want me to bring out quotes of sayings like "when gods die" there are so many of that in the series already.
You can't kill something already dead.
Type 5 dont allow for that, that was why shinza also lost theirs.
and nah the TD way is not the only something like they lack the concept of life and death too would qualify. If there are no anti-feats
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It says "when gods are destroyed", not "when gods die" and I'm pretty sure you're referring to statements regarding nousgalia. I'll be glad actually if you can find any that says "when gods die" as my mind will finally be at peace regarding this.
Does it have to be conceptual? Order is independent of what it governs which includes life and death and gods are order.
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If we compare other verses with our verse for ourselves then it's Fallacy but it doesn't seem to apply to you
PrinceofPein
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If we compare other verses with our verse for ourselves then it's Fallacy but it doesn't seem to apply to you
Eh, let me try and find it
Yeah it does. the people from Touhou immortals got it cause of that
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I doubt you would find the statement but lets see
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Verses are different mate order is superior in the verse tho
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Where are the staff?
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If only you would seat down and read for a moment you will not need to send this
There was no comparison its all in your what you read instead of what I wrote in actuality
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Not that it matters
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Eh, Pain. Due to all respect and without offending anyone, you brought a claim, and it is wrong.
You should know destroying and dying are different terms and especially in our verse, the author makes the difference between those two works.
You created an argument, so it should matter. Unless you give up and say, there is none.
I sincerely apologize for any inconvenience you may have experienced due to our different points of view. I genuinely apologize once more for the frustration and inconvenience this issue has caused, and thank you so much again for all your patience throughout this time.
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Also, I called the staff. So let's end this.
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Count me in disagreement with Acausality type 4
Now i need to go to sleep, midnight come
Now i need to go to sleep, midnight come
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lazy but I will do it.
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Aside from what i already given opinion on, other abilities i'm neutral, since i don't have time to evaluate, got my hand full already
PrinceofPein
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was it ever used in different context?
Also send the raw of the statement if you can get it
I am saying the statement of "Gods can be killed" does not matter, as I thought Gods can be destroyed also means kill in the same context.
Ah it is fine,
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It is fine!
Again, thanks for your patience and I sincerely apologize for any inconvenience you may have experienced due to our different points of view.
PrinceofPein
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Then, I will have to read the LN more 50 chapters
but on all honesty, the moment I am done with this paper i need to finish. I will read it, thats way too long so that why I said if you can get it.
the thread can continue fine tho.
But like aside from current stats, and the statement about gods not living cause they dont have emotions, is there any other thing for immo 5?
It is fine, you are welcome
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There's no need to reply to this as I'm not trying to make a point plus we are waiting for staff and any new evidence but lemme correct this.
The statement doesn't imply "gods don't live because they don't have emotions", it says they don't have emotions (this is separate) then implies that "gods don't live because they are immortal".
As you can see, not being alive is as a result of being immortal and has nothing to do with not having emotions.
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Bump
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In case new visitors click on this thread, we are awaiting a second staff approval.
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like we need to call the staff here so this CRT can be evaluated
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I have called one. I will call others.
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