Sans vs Krillin

[omegabronic]

Not that i remembered.
Not sure if is just omege missremembering the series

tell me, what was the whole message Roshi wanted to give to tien back in OG DB?

 

[Serlock_Holmes]

why would he assume that he could even attack from the ground immediately after trowing him in the ground?

That's the most likely part if he wanted to move him there.

what about the bones bones from the other side as well? or the faster blasters coming from the other directions? also sans' law manip makes it so that he CAN'T attack while sans is doing so

Yeah no that's bull shit. That's literally turn game mechanics get that shit out of here. We don't use that in every Turn based game verse. We ain't using it here. First attack is already iffy with me.

 

[ShakeResounding]

This argument that Krillin isn't gonna go for the kill here is actually ridiculous lol. Krillin has disregarded any care for whatever teachings Roshi had multiple times in the face of those who will cause grave harm to him/those he cares about (and SBA automatically applies a similar mindset here). The entire ToP was dedicated to a survival-of-the-fittest genocide that Krillin essentially had no choice but to participate in (and is essentially what happens here, as the characters are taken and put into battle as per the SBA again).

If this match is gonna be a debate, it shouldn't be whether Krillin is going for the kill (and at minimum in self defense) here against a person who fights in a bloodthirsty manner. That is so dumb.

 

[omegabronic]

That's the most likely part if he wanted to move him there.

or just blast from above like every other db character that krillin fought?

Yeah no that's bull shit. That's literally turn game mechanics get that shit out of here. We don't use that in every Turn based game verse. We ain't using it here. First attack is already iffy with me.

.....see sans' law manip please, that is how it works

 

[Quibster]

in this case Sans will start no matter what due to his law manip

I use the words "starts with" in strict relation to Krillin's first attack, not "krilling attacks first and with this". I'm also going to call bullshit here because It's another moot point.

he still wouldn't go for the kill, because he simply is a good guy who doesn't do that

He was going to murder Vegeta in Z when he was on death's door, and certainly didnt care about being good in that scenario. If he had not been stopped by Goku, he would have done so with Yajirobe's sword.

He also threw an attack at Nappa with the intent to horizontally bisect and kill him. Had Vegeta not called out the danger to Nappa, he would have also been slain by his Kienzan. Please show me instances where Krillin was a goody two-shoes against a something that both A, isn't human, and B, is incredibly dangerous instead of making these sorts of statments.

you mean the same guldo who is so slow in comparison to him that he couldn't keep up with their movements at all? yeah, no shot that he could have dodge it, in this case the blasts would be 2x his own speed coming from numerous directions he wouldn't be seeing

It wasn't just him, Gohan was there too. The instance of the fight you timestamped is irrelevant to the feat I linked and seemingly taken out of context. If I wasn't clear before, I was showing that Krillin is capable of dodging San's near point-black attacks with his bones, and in mid-air. I think you just chose to cherrypick something unrelated to the argument's context to make an arbitrary point. Speed is also equalized for attacks, but the effect of the attack/ ability remains unaltered. Speed and reaction speed is equal in this match, including attackspeed. Otherwise this fight would be incredibly one-sided if it isn't already.

Teleportation also hardly matters because of that, and the insurmountable range advantage Krillin has. If Sans cannot teleport out of Krillin's range, let alone deal with the ensuing shockwaves, Sans loses plain and simple.

unless you make a thread removing it, then it makes no sense to complain about it here

"Make a CRT and get this uncertain ability removed or else I won't care about your point."

No. That doesn't change the fact that it has never been specified in the game, or on this forum, that he has a solid rating for Timestop. Even his page makes it uncertain, alongside the fact that it is, again, never specified that he has Timestop. It was put on his page for reasons that, quote, "aesthetically match", and nothing further beyond what has already been specified for the scope of his Space-time Manip.

If you're sure that he has Timestop, please show me the instances where he purportedly uses it so we can clear it up. I really don't want to go in circles with people over this because "it's on his page therefore he can use it" logic, without acknowledging the notes the ability has. It shows you either choosing to be ignorant or are just oblivious.

In either case, you conflating my statements and scans with complaints, which isn't really the case at all. Troll someone else.

When has krillin ever used a 2-C ranged AOE attack? he can, but when has he?

If you really want to try and undermine his Range, the minimum range he has is Planetary. Which, Sans still cannot avoid no matter how much you try to spin this. You're focusing on all the wrong points here.

If you want to operate on the assumption that his range is lower because "x never did an attack at that range!!!" then congratz, Sans still cannot avoid Krillin's minimum range.

I think I'm just going to ignore you. You've provided nothing substantial, really.

 

[Quibster]

My vote is still on Krillin* (lol) FRA

 

[Serlock_Holmes]

or just blast from above like every other db character that krillin fought?

You have been saying the dude doesn't have ki so no he wouldn't assume that.

.....see sans' law manip please, that is how it works

I have severe disagreements with that. Would go as far as to say that this is probably bullshit. Then every Turn based game character should get a pause when doing their attacks.

 

[Adem_Warlock69]

Then every Turn based game character should get a pause when doing their attacks.

That's an actual thing in UT, like actually mentioned in the sans fight

 

[Serlock_Holmes]

That's an actual thing in UT, like actually mentioned in the sans fight

Ugh whatever fine then. Still seems like colossal bullshit on the level of reiatsu crush. After this battle and Dmc I really should leave the game verse stuff.

 

[Quibster]

Most sane undertale supporters

 

[omegabronic]

I use the word "starts with" in strict relation to Krillin's first attack, not "krilling attacks first and with this". Otherwise, yes Sans does factually have the initiative for the opening attack.

If that really matters, I guess.

ok then

He was going to murder Vegeta in Z when he was on death's door, and certainly didnt care about being good in that scenario. If he had not been stopped by Goku, he would have done so with Yajirobe's sword.

He also threw an attack at Nappa with the intent to horizontally bisect and kill him. Had Vegeta not called out the danger to Nappa, he would have also been slain by his Kienzan. Please show me instances where Krillin was a goody two-shoes against a something that both A, isn't human, and B, is incredibly dangerous instead of making these sorts of statments.

finally scans, altho i was saying that he wouldn't kill on sight

It wasn't just him, Gohan was there too. The instance of the fight you timestamped is irrelevant to the feat I linked and seemingly taken out of context. If I wasn't clear before, I was showing that Krillin is capable of dodging San's near point-black attacks with his bones, and in mid-air. Speed is also equalized for attacks, but the effect of the attack/ ability remains unaltered. Speed and reaction speed is equal in this match, including attackspeed. Otherwise this fight would be incredibly one-sided if it isn't already.

my friend, read the page again, every speed that is faster than the normal speed is still as much faster in equalized speed, so the blasters would still be 2x faster than sans' on combat speed

Teleportation also hardly matters because of that, and the insurmountable range advantage Krillin has. If Sans cannot teleport out of Krillin's range, let alone deal with the ensuing shockwaves, Sans loses plain and simple.

you know that they are only 10 meters apart from each other right? krillin doesn't instantly uses big shockwaves with every attack, that is just silly, also his blue mode makes krillin unable to escape from the battle

"Make a CRT and get this uncertain ability removed or else I won't care about your point."

That doesn't change the fact that it has never been specified in the game, or on this forum, that he has a solid rating for Timestop. Even his page makes it uncertain, alongside the fact that it is, again, never specified that he has Timestop. It was put on his page for reasons that, quote, "aesthetically match", and nothing further beyond what has already been specified for the scope of his Space-time Manip.

he has the likely rating, unless it is restricted by the OP he will be able to time stop, that is how likely ratings work in this wiki

If you're sure that he has Timestop, please show me the instances where he purportedly uses it so we can clear it up. I really don't want to go in circles with people over this because "it's on his page therefore he can use it" logic, without acknowledging the notes the ability has. It shows you either choosing to be ignorant or are just oblivious.

my friend........it is accepted as a likely rating, unless the OP restrict it we will consider as him having it, are you just not knowing on how likely ratings work on the wiki?

In either case, you conflating my statements and scans with complaints, which isn't really the case at all. Troll someone else.

yeah, just like how i can't just disregard krillin's tier since it is accepted, you also can't with accepted abilities, which the time stop is

If you really want to try and undermine his Range, the minimum range he has is Planetary. Which, Sans still cannot avoid no matter how much you try to spin this. You're focusing on all the wrong points here.

i mean, unless he starts nuking right off the bat with such AOE then i don't see the point in it?

If you want to operate on the assumption that his range is lower because "x never did an attack at that range!!!" then congratz, Sans still cannot avoid Krillin's minimum range.

can you not strawman me please? when have i argued against krillin's range?

You have been saying the dude doesn't have ki so no he wouldn't assume that.

when have i said that? Verse equalization would make his magic and krillin ki equalized

I have severe disagreements with that. Would go as far as to say that this is probably bullshit. Then every Turn based game character should get a pause when doing their attacks.

in sans' case, it is an accepted thing for him hence the law manip

 

[Serlock_Holmes]

when have i said that? Verse equalization would make his magic and krillin ki equalized

They aren't. They operate completely differently. Also If ki gets equalized with his ability then Krillin can just...interact with them and stop them. But it's magic so it wouldn't work like that.

in sans' case, it is an accepted thing for him hence the law manip

Yeah got it. Damn Game characters.

 

[omegabronic]

They aren't. They operate completely differently.

no they are not

 

[Serlock_Holmes]

no they are not

Are you telling me Ki and magic even in Dragonball are similar? It's a completely different system. Also if it gets equalized Sans quite literally won't be able to hurt Krillin. The difference is so absurd the attacks are negated. But again it's not ki. It's magic. At most Sans would have Ki as a life form but even that is debatable. No idea what the stance is nowadays.

 

[Fezzih_007]

why would he assume that he could even attack from the ground immediately after trowing him in the ground?

BECAUSE he was trown to the ground, he gonna assume the next attack gonna be for the ground, that's basic logic in a fight.

sans doesn't need to move to summon the bones at all

He does trought.
When the fight starts, he moving his down and up, and whenever he decides to summon bones from the ground, he moves his hands.

fair enough

I was right wow.

what about the bones bones from the other side as well?

He gonna remember then, yeah.

or the faster blasters coming from the other directions?

He can aim-dodge them

also sans' law manip makes it so that he CAN'T attack while sans is doing so

Not it don't, what? What you talking about?

well he also has to deal with the blasters that are 2x faster than himself

Aim-dodge.

considering that he would be the one to decide when to attack and that he can do so with a rapid fire 2x faster than him blasts........yeah

Yeah what, Krilling gonna be prepared, he can aimdodge the blast pretty easily

could you show me when he has done it in a fight after the first attack the opponent gave him?

I can.

more than enough for him to react to it and defend against it

I don't think you understanding, if you see blinding light at close range, even with higher speed you gonna still be affected.

......so, he is a skeleton, he doesn't have anything but Bones, you would need meat to have a retina


No i am not, do you know what Inorganic Physiology is?

Man, i love how Omega acts sometimes in this threads, makes me want to punch a baby

So you argument for Sans not having a retina is because he is a Skeleton.
Then i point out things he also should't have due to being a Skeleton.
You dismiss them, saying that he have because-

Like, do you have proof that he does don't have retina?

don't see him killing them there

He kicks them to the water, and leave them to drown.

 

[Quibster]

 

[omegabronic]

Are you telling me Ki and magic even in Dragonball are similar? It's a completely different system.

the magic in dragon ball matters for magic in undertale because?

Also if it gets equalized Sans quite literally won't be able to hurt Krillin. The difference is so absurd the attacks are negated.

what do you mean?

 

[Serlock_Holmes]

the magic in dragon ball matters for magic in undertale because?

Because Sans wouldn't use Ki due to equalization.

what do you mean?

I'm saying that if we assume Sans uses ki he is dead.

 

[omegabronic]

BECAUSE he was trown to the ground, he gonna assume the next attack gonna be for the ground, that's basic logic in a fight.

no? you know, we should stop this back and forth, we have been repeating over and over

He does trought.
When the fight starts, he moving his down and up, and whenever he decides to summon bones from the ground, he moves his hands.

I was right wow.

same as above

He gonna remember then, yeah.

along side the blasters that are faster than himself coming from multiple directions?

He can aim-dodge them

considering that sans can rapid fire from multiple directions......i don't see how that would be the most likely scenario

Not it don't, what? What you talking about?

yes it does, hence why him not attacking at all makes you not able to attack him also

Aim-dodge.

multiple directions at once even in blind spots

Yeah what, Krilling gonna be prepared, he can aimdodge the blast pretty easily

and if sans attacks from a blind spot?

I can.

ok then

I don't think you understanding, if you see blinding light at close range, even with higher speed you gonna still be affected.

Man, i love how Omega acts sometimes in this threads, makes me want to punch a baby

define "close range" they are meters apart here

So you argument for Sans not having a retina is because he is a Skeleton.
Then i point out things he also should't have due to being a Skeleton.
You dismiss them, saying that he have because-

Like, do you have proof that he does don't have retina?

my dude, he is a magical being, we don't know how he talks, or how he sweats, that is not countering the fact that he doesn't have any biological thing like retinas since he is litterally a skeleton without them, why would i need to prove the obvious?

He kicks them to the water, and leave them to drown.

ok

 

[omegabronic]

Because Sans wouldn't use Ki due to equalization.

my dude, magic in undertale is an energy on living things as much as Ki is in dragon ball, it is not simple spels like the Magic in dragon ball

I'm saying that if we assume Sans uses ki he is dead.

reason being?

 

[Uuber1]

can this thread be closed dawg

 

[Uuber1]

******* almost 600 replies over sans vs krillin

 

[Serlock_Holmes]

my dude, magic in undertale is an energy on living things as much as Ki is in dragon ball, it is not simple spels like the Magic in dragon ball


reason being?

Because higher ki negates weaker ki. Though there are some anomalies like Devilmite beam.

 

[omegabronic]

***** almost 600 replies over sans vs krillin

you made a sans vs db thread, what did you expected?

 

[omegabronic]

Because higher ki negates weaker ki. Though there are some anomalies like Devilmite beam.

again with this? my dude, that "more power resists hax in db" was never accepted here, this was never a thing here nor was it ever accepted

 

[Serlock_Holmes]

again with this? my dude, that "more power resists hax in db" was never accepted here, this was never a thing here nor was it ever accepted

How quaint

 

[Fezzih_007]

Whatever, i fine with adding this as Inco, i don't think we gonna come with a agreement here.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Is it over? What will it be?

Sans or Incon?

 

[Serlock_Holmes]

Is it over? What will it be?

Sans or Incon?

 

[Fezzih_007]

Is it over? What will it be?

Sans or Incon?

Inconclusive.

I gonna turn this into 8 pages if someone say sans btw;.

 

[Theuser789]

Didn't read any of the previous post, but Sans does one damage (1 HP) per frame, and Undertale runs at 30FPS. And that's without karma. If Krillin truly has 28HP, he would die less than a second.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

 

[Dragonite007]

Inconclusive.

I gonna turn this into 8 pages if someone say sans btw;.

Sans

 

[Robo432343]

Didn't read any of the previous post, but Sans does one damage (1 HP) per frame, and Undertale runs at 30FPS. And that's without karma. If Krillin truly has 28HP, he would die less than a second.

ayo verse equalization

 

[AceOfSpaces3709]

Hey Uuber I never said I voted for Sans, I just came here to post a meme and express my dislike for "Sans VS DB" matches because I find them overly repetitive.

 

[AceOfSpaces3709]

You might need to do a recount to check if people actually said "I vote [Blank]" or "[Blank] FRA

 

[XxZetsuxX]

we're closing in for 7 pages

 

[Serlock_Holmes]

we're closing in for 7 pages

And all that for Db's Voldemort.

 

[Quibster]

 

[Quibster]

I vote they eat spaghetti and talk about being bald FRA