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Well, I do not think that minor and self-evident revisions for these verses should require more staff members than usual to evaluate, so we likely need to make an effort with defining what kind of revisions rhat should be included. 
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Popular/Controversial Verses and the Determination Thereof
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I tend to agree. I had already included Godzilla in the list of exceptions I'd laid out before but I'm fine including the Ultra series and Kamen Rider in that.I think that the above requests to exclude various verses from our list seem reasonable so far.
Sonic so controversial he had to include it twice
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Removed.The following verses also do not seem extremely popular and controversial.
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Puella Magi Verse
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Removed, since I concur and Bambu was sus of them too.Saint Seiya, Elden Ring, Final Fantasy, and Gravity Falls also seem inappropriate.
This leaves the following in contention:
- Hellaverse
- The Boys
I've done a few revisions for both.
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Saint Seiya has been controversial in the past, but unsure if it has Tier 1 stuff. Gravity Falls is mainly controversial due to Bill Cipher, aka a Tier 1 character.
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Is WoW popular? Yes, it's mainstream, even now when Blizzard is despised.
But is WoW popular to scale? Not even close. When Arthas vs Sauron came out in Death Battle it was common for people to not have a singular damn idea what to do with WoW scaling other than what was said in the DB, and when I make a CRT, unless I'm bugging literally half the evaluation staff, it generally doesn't get passed.
Should also note literally two people are working on the verse, and one of those people is focused on cosmology so it might as well be just me for the most part. Call it laziness, but this is literally how it is. There are other verses like Warcraft(Including Starcraft, Warhammer Fantasy, World of Darkness, etc), but WoW is both the most popular of those and has the least people actually putting work into it.
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Is WoW popular? Yes, it's mainstream, even now when Blizzard is despised.
But is WoW popular to scale? Not even close. When Arthas vs Sauron came out in Death Battle it was common for people to not have a singular damn idea what to do with WoW scaling other than what was said in the DB, and when I make a CRT, unless I'm bugging literally half the evaluation staff, it generally doesn't get passed.
Should also note literally two people are working on the verse, and one of those people is focused on cosmology so it might as well be just me for the most part. Call it laziness, but this is literally how it is. There are other verses like Warcraft(Including Starcraft, Warhammer Fantasy, World of Darkness, etc), but WoW is both the most popular of those and has the least people actually putting work into it.
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World of Warcraft isn't on the list anyways.(@Just_a_Random_Butler gave me permission here)
World of Warcraft
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Is WoW popular? Yes, it's mainstream, even now when Blizzard is despised.
But is WoW popular to scale? Not even close. When Arthas vs Sauron came out in Death Battle it was common for people to not have a singular damn idea what to do with WoW scaling other than what was said in the DB, and when I make a CRT, unless I'm bugging literally half the evaluation staff, it generally doesn't get passed.
Should also note literally two people are working on the verse, and one of those people is focused on cosmology so it might as well be just me for the most part. Call it laziness, but this is literally how it is. There are other verses like Warcraft(Including Starcraft, Warhammer Fantasy, World of Darkness, etc), but WoW is both the most popular of those and has the least people actually putting work into it.
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I wanted to say that The God of High School verse should probably not be in the list of controversial verses either. The verse is only truly popular in vs threads and there's a very small amount of actual supporters actively working on it outside them, with basically no staff supporters for it. There have been cases where a CRT could take around a month to pass and recently even a relatively simple calc update took almost a month to pass simply because it involved some in-universe stuff which tends to push staff away from evaluating the thread.
It's also generally not a controversial verse and as far as I can tell it's never been controversial on the wiki or outside of it. I personally can't see any reason why it would be considered popular or controversial enough to fit here and a change like this could at best heavily slow down any progress on the verse and at worst kill the progression completely.
I wanted to say that The God of High School verse should probably not be in the list of controversial verses either. The verse is only truly popular in vs threads and there's a very small amount of actual supporters actively working on it outside them, with basically no staff supporters for it. There have been cases where a CRT could take around a month to pass and recently even a relatively simple calc update took almost a month to pass simply because it involved some in-universe stuff which tends to push staff away from evaluating the thread.
It's also generally not a controversial verse and as far as I can tell it's never been controversial on the wiki or outside of it. I personally can't see any reason why it would be considered popular or controversial enough to fit here and a change like this could at best heavily slow down any progress on the verse and at worst kill the progression completely.
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I'm wondering if WoD should be on the controversy list because I'm aware it's "popular" in extra-VSB circles but in terms of its use and updating on here, there's very few who actually engage with it and practically no one who updates and maintains the verse besides myself besides a few people. So few that I can count them on both my hands.
I think, at least, I've shown I'm even handed with WoD and that every year or so I come back with a new updated cosmology with mountains of evidence for anything I say. I can't say it's too controversial, at least, it's not a verse like Barny the Dinosaur or Dragon Ball.
I think, at least, I've shown I'm even handed with WoD and that every year or so I come back with a new updated cosmology with mountains of evidence for anything I say. I can't say it's too controversial, at least, it's not a verse like Barny the Dinosaur or Dragon Ball.
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I removed both of them, since I was suspect of them anyway.
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I see, I was also interested in seeing people's opinions on WoD from their external angle.
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I do not agree with some of the verses being included in the controversial ones, those being:
Undertale/Deltarune - Right now the only reason why it might seem popular here is because of the latter's latest release the Chapters 3 and 4 which obviously caused an increase of popularity, but...
Gravity Falls - Same as Undertale. It might be "controversial", but that comes from mostly being 1-B, one of the highest power levels ever reached in western animation as a whole. Only main object of controversy is Bill Cipher, but every other character is barely considered. In fact, every non-Bill profile was in extremely poor conditions had it not for @Accelerated_Evolution to update them to current standards. It's not something like Ben 10 who has a pretty big powerscaling portion in its fandom, it has only 1 character that is mainly debated, and even then, Bill didn't get that many threads in the last months.
That and the fact that my latest cosmology CRT(s) to put it on par with the Book of Bill took over 7 months to get all the necessary staff input with me making many, many requests to even look at the thing. That's saying volumes.
Puella Magi Verse - Verse is completely dead and while I know that reworks are behind the scenes, they're taking quite the time, and just adding a layer of difficulty might make the attempt of reviving the verse just futile. We're not in 2010s anymore where the verse was one of the few overpowered animangas, we're in the middle of 2020s, and many more verses of the medium got this kind of power level, and most of the people moved on these verses too.
Super Smash Bros - I do not see the verse being brought up that much in powerscaling discussions. Online people only talk about the power of the canon versions of the fighters rather than the feats of the SSB versions, and here is not like it's overly-spammed either.
Madness Combat (maybe) - I do get that MC was extremely popular back in the peak NG days, but a lot of people like me had no idea of its existence prior to the FNF mods that were released in 2021. Plus I do not see many people that invested in it in a powerscaling sense either. But I didn't actively follow the verse from quite a bit so I could be wrong.
Pokémon (maybe) - Verse is barely breathing after the fiasco that was the canon split, even after that it was undone. It's indeed the largest franchise on the planet, but powerscaling wise it's not even that active here, and almost all the latest CRTs I did on the verse just died because no staff bothered to check 'em, and this also checks up for most of the CRTs for that verse that others did. Maybe we should just wait a tiny bit with people finishing to properly update the profiles to current wiki standards rather than just pull the trigger (no like Arceus is the only decent profile for that verse, rest looks mid as hell in formatting).
I do not agree with some of the verses being included in the controversial ones, those being:
Undertale/Deltarune - Right now the only reason why it might seem popular here is because of the latter's latest release the Chapters 3 and 4 which obviously caused an increase of popularity, but...
- It's pretty rare to get CRTs for both Undertale and Deltarune done quickly. One of my Deltarune CRTs got 3 whooping months to get all the necessary evalutation and the infamous UT MHS downgrade that happened last year, despite being the most controversial CRT happened in recent times, got almost 4 months to be completed too.
- People know about the verse mostly because of Sans, the only character the fandom spams obsessively to anyone else both here and in non-powerscaling circles (who happens to have one of the biggest MU lists on the site), but any other character barely gets any attention, even the God Tiers who in-verse outclass him completely. Like, just check yourself how many threads Sans gets compared to how many Asriel does.
Gravity Falls - Same as Undertale. It might be "controversial", but that comes from mostly being 1-B, one of the highest power levels ever reached in western animation as a whole. Only main object of controversy is Bill Cipher, but every other character is barely considered. In fact, every non-Bill profile was in extremely poor conditions had it not for @Accelerated_Evolution to update them to current standards. It's not something like Ben 10 who has a pretty big powerscaling portion in its fandom, it has only 1 character that is mainly debated, and even then, Bill didn't get that many threads in the last months.
That and the fact that my latest cosmology CRT(s) to put it on par with the Book of Bill took over 7 months to get all the necessary staff input with me making many, many requests to even look at the thing. That's saying volumes.
Puella Magi Verse - Verse is completely dead and while I know that reworks are behind the scenes, they're taking quite the time, and just adding a layer of difficulty might make the attempt of reviving the verse just futile. We're not in 2010s anymore where the verse was one of the few overpowered animangas, we're in the middle of 2020s, and many more verses of the medium got this kind of power level, and most of the people moved on these verses too.
Super Smash Bros - I do not see the verse being brought up that much in powerscaling discussions. Online people only talk about the power of the canon versions of the fighters rather than the feats of the SSB versions, and here is not like it's overly-spammed either.
Madness Combat (maybe) - I do get that MC was extremely popular back in the peak NG days, but a lot of people like me had no idea of its existence prior to the FNF mods that were released in 2021. Plus I do not see many people that invested in it in a powerscaling sense either. But I didn't actively follow the verse from quite a bit so I could be wrong.
Pokémon (maybe) - Verse is barely breathing after the fiasco that was the canon split, even after that it was undone. It's indeed the largest franchise on the planet, but powerscaling wise it's not even that active here, and almost all the latest CRTs I did on the verse just died because no staff bothered to check 'em, and this also checks up for most of the CRTs for that verse that others did. Maybe we should just wait a tiny bit with people finishing to properly update the profiles to current wiki standards rather than just pull the trigger (no like Arceus is the only decent profile for that verse, rest looks mid as hell in formatting).
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Well, to start off maybe as someone who's knowledgeable on Genshin Impact and Honkai: Star Rail for the past year. I think 3 staff approvals for these verses are too harsh given there are genuinely no one working on the profiles on both verses if you checked through wiki activities, it's not like that there are a lot of people who contribute to the verse itself since it's mostly just one or two people (Genuinely, Genshin Impact CRTs who are accepted are mostly minor revision stuff that don't affect most of the profiles and I can't recall it being popular when people working on it would probably me in the future when Nod-Krai releases and PedjaTarzan with these Natlan characters (Which she already is by the way even if it's not all of them, even so I still think there are some missing) since what Furina003 is doing are minor revision stuff and the Focalors profile in which I kinda fixed it so it doesn't get deleted, but that's all there is).
Take Honkai: Star Rail, it's also me and PedjaTarzan and maybe Shiroiyo but that's all. Before this, there were only just Aernasilver and Enryu_The_Red_Tower who contributed heavily on the verse themselves before they left. Even so, Shiroiyo focuses on Honkai Impact 3rd and I'm pretty sure PedjaTarzan also focuses more on Genshin Impact later on. I even talked about the verse issues that probably would need fixing later on the discussion thread but nobody is atleast interested enough to do so anyway.. Which also happens with Genshin Impact by the way, and later on when Nod-Krai is released. Even when that region is released, it's not like the verse itself would be very accurate. (Furina and Omni don't do much tbh but this is literally considered to be good enough already that they care about it).
Popular verses would be like those as Naruto, One Piece, Bleach (HST) or Dragon Ball in which there are a lot of people contributing to the verse itself. Even Zenless Zone Zero which loses in terms of popularity between Genshin Impact and Honkai: Star Rail had more people contributing to the verse itself than both Genshin and Honkai: Star Rail combined.
Given how vast Genshin Impact and Honkai: Star Rail are for them to be worked on by one or two people really aren't a popular verse in my definition, even so Genshin Impact profiles still suffer with the grammar stuff (Honkai: Star Rail profiles are in good quality though, but they still don't cover like the abilities that would only be mentioned when there are versus threads about it and this is what both verses suffer due to the fact there's not a LOT of people contributing to these verse).
I know it's not something that heavily affect the verse as in them being deleted due to it being inaccurate, but it's the fact that there are only 1 or 2 people willing to work on making it as accurate as possible with every version and the lore bomb being dropped here and there. Genshin Impact and Honkai: Star Rail are too vast in terms of their lore to the fact that if you're not Aernasilver or Enryu_The_Red_Tower, it just gets to the point that you're being overwhelmed by it (And even they only cover the majority, not all of them).
If there are genuinely a lot of people working on it, I'd agree with it being a popular verse but with this current state? It's just insane ngl (I got permission by FinePoint to comment).
Please rethink again, that's all I have to say.
Take Honkai: Star Rail, it's also me and PedjaTarzan and maybe Shiroiyo but that's all. Before this, there were only just Aernasilver and Enryu_The_Red_Tower who contributed heavily on the verse themselves before they left. Even so, Shiroiyo focuses on Honkai Impact 3rd and I'm pretty sure PedjaTarzan also focuses more on Genshin Impact later on. I even talked about the verse issues that probably would need fixing later on the discussion thread but nobody is atleast interested enough to do so anyway.. Which also happens with Genshin Impact by the way, and later on when Nod-Krai is released. Even when that region is released, it's not like the verse itself would be very accurate. (Furina and Omni don't do much tbh but this is literally considered to be good enough already that they care about it).
Popular verses would be like those as Naruto, One Piece, Bleach (HST) or Dragon Ball in which there are a lot of people contributing to the verse itself. Even Zenless Zone Zero which loses in terms of popularity between Genshin Impact and Honkai: Star Rail had more people contributing to the verse itself than both Genshin and Honkai: Star Rail combined.
Given how vast Genshin Impact and Honkai: Star Rail are for them to be worked on by one or two people really aren't a popular verse in my definition, even so Genshin Impact profiles still suffer with the grammar stuff (Honkai: Star Rail profiles are in good quality though, but they still don't cover like the abilities that would only be mentioned when there are versus threads about it and this is what both verses suffer due to the fact there's not a LOT of people contributing to these verse).
I know it's not something that heavily affect the verse as in them being deleted due to it being inaccurate, but it's the fact that there are only 1 or 2 people willing to work on making it as accurate as possible with every version and the lore bomb being dropped here and there. Genshin Impact and Honkai: Star Rail are too vast in terms of their lore to the fact that if you're not Aernasilver or Enryu_The_Red_Tower, it just gets to the point that you're being overwhelmed by it (And even they only cover the majority, not all of them).
If there are genuinely a lot of people working on it, I'd agree with it being a popular verse but with this current state? It's just insane ngl (I got permission by FinePoint to comment).
Please rethink again, that's all I have to say.
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I'd be fine with removing Undertale specifically at this point, but I feel like Deltarune right now definitely has enough staff support and activity to justify it. For example, I know at least myself and Agnaa are active in the discussion thread, and there might even be another one but I forget. It should be very easy to get three people for it.
I agree personally. I don't think having one high tier character really justifies it when otherwise the verse is dead.
These are all already removed.
Hard disagree. Even if not the most popular in terms of activity recently, it's definitely controversial and extremely complicated with tons of high tiers.
As one of its supporters, I would not feel comfortable removing it from the list. If the lack of progress is your only complaint, feel free to put any and all revisions on my message wall, and I'll definitely respond at the very least. There's also multiple very knowledgeable members who simply aren't staff.
I've literally never heard of it, and I do a lot of random revisions. Could just be luck, but that's my perspective.
Having a lot of personal experience, I'd say Honkai: Star Rail can probably be removed, but I'm very hesitant to do the same for Genshin Impact. I've been involved in a lot of controversial threads recently involving very complicated stuff, and they had tons of activity.
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Perhaps in addition to controversial verses, we may want to create a separate list that lists controversial characters from otherwise not so controversial verses; example being Bill Cipher being controversial even if Gravity Falls isn't so controversial aside from Bill. I also agree with FinePoint that Pokemon is indeed controversial. Or instead of listing specific names of characters, we might as well say "All Low 1-C and above characters regardless of whether the rest of the verse is controversial" as a note. Styrm's proposals are reasonable aside from that though.
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Well, for Genshin Impact: It's mainly just threads that are made overcomplicated. Hence the 10 pages and more, that's why people were following in the discussion but in reality. It's not really a popular verse in itself, though if you'd mean by these controversial threads that are made overcomplicated as them requiring atleast 3 staff for it to be approved. I'd agree since pages that long for something so simple is not REALLY justified, but other than that and the straightforward ones shouldn't be like requiring 3 staff approvals or so (Take Mavuika's heat resistance CRT for example).
That being said though, I want to contend for Instant Death too since I've been following this progression since October 2024 and I've joined in plenty of the discussions there that it's not really a popular verse since it's mostly SweetDao working on it and the fact that new supporters don't even try to talk first before making CRTs back in late 2024 which should be the same as of now since I don't remember anyone talking about Instant Death anymore and other than that, the supporters mostly as in the reasonable ones are only making minor downgrade CRTs anyway. (10% of Tensura or MGKF are literally more popular than Instant Death lmao)
SweetDao could explain further when he asks for permission to comment on this thread, but other than that. That's all I have to say ngl
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Well we already include a note in the discussion rules mentioning that Tiers 1 and 2 require more specific criteria for approval and ideally more input.
In an ideal world no threads would be controversial, it would just be well-constructed evidence and arguments, then unanimous approval.
That's not the world we live in, and so whether or not they should be controversial, they definitely are.
I'll add it to the list.
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Many such cases.
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WoD has had enough trouble in the past that I think it'd be fine to include it. It still has some lingering weirdness to it. I'd put support in favor of keeping it on the list, less for popularity, more for controversy.
- Undertale should definitely be on the list. It experiences controversy on the regular. Look at all the Sans matches.
- Pokemon is a maybe. It does have its moments of high-energy debates. I think it would be better to keep it on.
- Gravity Falls is definitely controversial. Enough to be on the list, imo.
- The others are fine to remove, methinks.
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@FinePoint has told me to say it here regarding some verses that i seen yesterday on popular verse list
Tekken isnt popular here, im the only person making CRTs for it and still do, outside of like 1 person lately, i have 0 help with the series, calcs and all that is incredibly hard to get help for as well and im lucky if one has time for doing them, let alone i barely manage 2 staff to reply to my threads overall
Mortal Kombat is a dead verse, outdated stats and barely has any updates to it, even when the series had a new game since september of 2023 till they announced officially to move on from it weeks or so ago, nothing was done in regards to the verse in the slightest and much like, its incredibly inactive
Arcsys games, besides Guilty Gear a little here and there in a while, has almost none interested in it, really no fighting game series on this wiki is popular in here for revising them like the mainstream verses such as comics or anime/manga and 3 staff approval isnt beneficial to such a niche genre in general and vs debating
Tekken isnt popular here, im the only person making CRTs for it and still do, outside of like 1 person lately, i have 0 help with the series, calcs and all that is incredibly hard to get help for as well and im lucky if one has time for doing them, let alone i barely manage 2 staff to reply to my threads overall
Mortal Kombat is a dead verse, outdated stats and barely has any updates to it, even when the series had a new game since september of 2023 till they announced officially to move on from it weeks or so ago, nothing was done in regards to the verse in the slightest and much like, its incredibly inactive
Arcsys games, besides Guilty Gear a little here and there in a while, has almost none interested in it, really no fighting game series on this wiki is popular in here for revising them like the mainstream verses such as comics or anime/manga and 3 staff approval isnt beneficial to such a niche genre in general and vs debating
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Got permission from FinePoint.
Well, first off, I want to be semantic about something. While "Instant Death" does have a category on the wiki, it's otherwise indexed as Fujitakaverse due to the fact it encompasses all the interconnected novels of the author (Instant Death, Big sister, Demon King,...). So I want to know for sure, is it solely Instant Death that is in contention or is it Fujitakaverse as a whole?
In any case, I'll tackle both cases to avoid wasting time.
Concerning Instant Death : The verse, during a long time, was not so active. It's only "recently" (around end of 2024) that it became more active. However, most CRTs were made by either me or some people I know one way or another. Most supporters deserted the wiki or simply don't care anymore, as such, there are little to no contentions on threads. Not saying there are none at all, but they are for the most part pretty rare. The first cosmology downgrade, for example, was pretty smooth with little contention. The second one had slightly more with Elizhaa disagreeing, but again, if contention there is (from one staff member) it just means that the CRT would need 3 staff in any case. I legit think the most controversial one was the High-Godly removal, with 4 disagreements (2 staff members). Besides this and over ~20 CRTs later, little contention was ever brought up.
As for the popularity aspect... Well, it's no surprise that the verse is known over Reddit, TikTok and such as a PWS verse. This is sadly the fate of all verses that becomes somehow popular due to an overpowered protagonist. So, outside the wiki I'd say it's popular within the powerscaling sphere, I legit think most people heard the name "Yogiri" one way or another. Same with Instant Death. As for inside the wiki, well, most people know about it, but very little engage with it or can be considered supporters of the verse. If we take a look at the supporters on the verse page, most blue names are in exile. As for the staff members, Oblivion is pretty active and did come to a couple revision iirc, Celestial Pegasus came to a recent one, and I'm sure he did with a few others, CrimsonStarFallen I've never seen him on any CRT as far as I remember and Everything12 did come on the first few threads, but I don't see him around anymore. Being realistic, there are 2/3 staff members at best that are "active" regarding the verse.
Concerning Fujitakaverse : Well, it will be quick, there are little to no activity regarding Big Sister novel, for example. (Only two "threads" about it in recent times were made by me). A bit more with Demon King stuff, but that's like, stuff to help scale Instant Death so whatever.
That's about it, not particularly feeling strong about any outcome, would just be leaning for it to not be on the list to avoid the tedious process of getting 3 staff agreements over 2 but well, it's fine either way I guess.
Well, first off, I want to be semantic about something. While "Instant Death" does have a category on the wiki, it's otherwise indexed as Fujitakaverse due to the fact it encompasses all the interconnected novels of the author (Instant Death, Big sister, Demon King,...). So I want to know for sure, is it solely Instant Death that is in contention or is it Fujitakaverse as a whole?
In any case, I'll tackle both cases to avoid wasting time.
Concerning Instant Death : The verse, during a long time, was not so active. It's only "recently" (around end of 2024) that it became more active. However, most CRTs were made by either me or some people I know one way or another. Most supporters deserted the wiki or simply don't care anymore, as such, there are little to no contentions on threads. Not saying there are none at all, but they are for the most part pretty rare. The first cosmology downgrade, for example, was pretty smooth with little contention. The second one had slightly more with Elizhaa disagreeing, but again, if contention there is (from one staff member) it just means that the CRT would need 3 staff in any case. I legit think the most controversial one was the High-Godly removal, with 4 disagreements (2 staff members). Besides this and over ~20 CRTs later, little contention was ever brought up.
As for the popularity aspect... Well, it's no surprise that the verse is known over Reddit, TikTok and such as a PWS verse. This is sadly the fate of all verses that becomes somehow popular due to an overpowered protagonist. So, outside the wiki I'd say it's popular within the powerscaling sphere, I legit think most people heard the name "Yogiri" one way or another. Same with Instant Death. As for inside the wiki, well, most people know about it, but very little engage with it or can be considered supporters of the verse. If we take a look at the supporters on the verse page, most blue names are in exile. As for the staff members, Oblivion is pretty active and did come to a couple revision iirc, Celestial Pegasus came to a recent one, and I'm sure he did with a few others, CrimsonStarFallen I've never seen him on any CRT as far as I remember and Everything12 did come on the first few threads, but I don't see him around anymore. Being realistic, there are 2/3 staff members at best that are "active" regarding the verse.
Concerning Fujitakaverse : Well, it will be quick, there are little to no activity regarding Big Sister novel, for example. (Only two "threads" about it in recent times were made by me). A bit more with Demon King stuff, but that's like, stuff to help scale Instant Death so whatever.
That's about it, not particularly feeling strong about any outcome, would just be leaning for it to not be on the list to avoid the tedious process of getting 3 staff agreements over 2 but well, it's fine either way I guess.
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I do not think this is a fair point. Deltarune is indeed very popular, but it's (sadly) not iconic as Undertale is right now. The thread's goal is to make a limit for verses that are always controversial no matter the point of time. Stuff like DB or GoW for example always have tended to get out of hand real quick due to them always having a really active powerscaling support, no matter the point of time.
I do not think we gotta need some prophet to know that Deltarune's popularity here won't last that long, it's not like it has 5 evalutating staff actively in it or something.
Putting a limit to Deltarune only because it got recently a new release, but not on Undertale which is still more discussed here is kinda nonsensical. You have yourself admitted that Undertale does not have anymore the controversy it once had, and I do not think that Deltarune is ever going to reach that level only because me and few other people are butting heads in the Discussion Thread.
Threads can easily become bump hells (here, or this one that took over a month to be applied), and I do not think that some vibes based off initial hype is a good indicator for controversy. As I said, I made the GF cosmology upgrade less than a month after the release of the Book of Bill, and it still took another one that took 4 months just to get it applied for how dead the 1st one was. I don't think UTDR is that different here.
Only for Sans though. No other character gets spammed that much like he does, do we really make a verse controversial only because of a single character?
The GF point is also something I said above, only Bill is controversial, none here complains about Dipper or Stanley's stuff despite them being key characters of the story.
(Yeah IK I shouldn't have commented anymore but I think these are good points overall, and I think y'all are doing a great mistake to generalize a whole verse as controversial only because a single character among many gets overly spammed to the point of being annoying, while the rest of them is lucky to even have their existence acknowledged)
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Star Wars shouldn't be here, when genuinely multiple threads trying to fix things barely get staff attention even when pinged multiple times, and right now is barely starting to get updated on the canon side thanks to a single user.
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While the Sans point isn't true (Sans is the most used, but many characters of the verse see consistent matches, which frequently get ugly- and matches aren't even the main measuring stick we're looking at), I think it's worth saying that it is entirely possible for one character to weigh so heavy on the scales for a verse to be considered controversial (as would be the case with Bill Cipher in Gravity Falls). If one character from a verse dominates that verse's discussions and causes bickering and arguing, I think it's suitable that the verse should fall under the rule.
I don't know shit about the distinction between Deltarune and Undertale, if the two are separate verses I suppose I'd opt for waiting and seeing for the former. But I'm confident that UT and GF should have this template.
I won't delete your comment, even though it was technically not permitted, but do abide by the rules further. You make a good argument and I want that to be heard but I do not want this thread sidetracked heavily.
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I changed it to Fujitakaverse since they'd naturally affect each other if they're the same canon.
They're implied to be parallel/alternative universes (and contain variants of most of the same characters), but as of now are technically separate canons with completely different narratives and scaling.
Most of the Sans debate is just in versus threads, so I'm not sure it should affect content revision approval.
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I'd argue this is simply not true- and that we're definitely evaluating based on current popularity/controversy, not all potential future controversy, which we have no way of knowing for literally any verse. The template could always be removed later.
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Got permission here:I understand the issue with Genshin being controversial because of several crts that took a lot of pages to finish, especially this one.
which was 14 pages long, but the issue is, most if not every crt from that point onwards was only affecting god tiers, which are most up to date profiles. Another issue i find is that people who make these verse wide crts get struck by derailement train where people start arguing different stuff that doesnt provide any use of crt and it turns long and thus supposedly controversial, when in fact it takes 30 minutes to read it properly and understand the arguments between OP and its opossition.
but the rest of the verse is pretty much severely outdated when it comes to scaling and quality of the profiles. Id say the one somewhat controversal thing here is that we got group of me gianny puppet working on balancing the ratings between tiers (humans gods etc..) and then get bombarded with crts like low 1-C istaroth which wasnt even finished but just left to die.
infinte speed genshin etc.. which most of the times are just exaggerated information posted to propose higher rating.
that being said, i cant rly judge wether or not will this verse qualify for popular/controversial ones. but the fact that this verse has like 0 matchups done in last few months, changes barely affecting quality of pages and is mostly just tiers being spewn around. i think this verse should still remain under 2 votes needed unless the change is like tier 2/1.
otherwise its gonna be a lot more complicated getting staff input when the verse already had a lot of crt that took months to finish.
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To clarify, what observable metric have we decided on using to measure popularity?
Google trend views, Wikipedia views, Site page stats, etc?
Google trend views, Wikipedia views, Site page stats, etc?
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None. We're analyzing them case-by-case based on general activity and controversial status on the wiki.
The original list I made which we've been refining was based on the views of discussion threads, but that's not the actual criteria, it was just a quick way to get a large list of generally popular verses.
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As Fine Point said, we can't really use any of those. Even if people looked at Luke Skywalker's page 10,000 times a day, it wouldn't change the fact that Star Wars receives relatively little attention on this site. We can intuit what we need from thread activity, amount of incidents regarding a verse (these would be things like cycles of upgrades/downgrades on the same point, a multitude of cases of poor behavior in threads related to the verse, etc), stuff like that.
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I think any lingering controversies have pretty much been resolved.
Any remaining weirdness is usually down to me being slow in changing the profiles... (like having to delete that damn Mage profile)
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I'm not sure. I don't have much experience with either, though definitely more with Re Zero.Isn't there a risk that almost no revisions will get finished for the following verses if they are included in this list?
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If other staff don't either, perhaps we should get input from one of their active supporters like we have been for other verses.
I'll move them to the contention list for now.
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