Goddess of Thunder vs Konoha's Yellow Flash

[GodEarh206]

Yoruichi Shihōin vs Minato Namikaze

Rule:
• SBA
• Speed was Equalized
• "Late Arrancar Arc" Yoruichi and "Edo Tensei" Minato was used
• Everything above 6-B is restricted
• Battle took in Valhalla (Record of Ragnarok)

Yoruichi: 2
Minato: 1
GOKU SOLO BOTH:

 

[karo_senpaii]

Why?

 

[GodEarh206]

Bump

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Multi continental vs large country level...

you should restrict both to their country level keys else this is a stomp

 

[GodEarh206]

you should restrict both to their country level keys else this is a stomp

fixed

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Alright so looking at things

Minato:

- paralysis inducement, sealing and corrosion via nine tales chakra

- A decent Ap advantage (98 teratons vs >>38 teratons)

- FR gives him better mobility

- He can see and sense her

- He can interact with souls


Yoruichi

- RE

- Way more experience

- faster

- can easily demolish base minato

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Since this is edo minato he should be capable of regenerating from yoruichis attacks. With that in mind he'd immediately use kcm

Minato ftw (Because of all the advantages I just mentioned)

 

[GodEarh206]

Bump

 

[GodEarh206]

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[GodEarh206]

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[GodEarh206]

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[Apotheosis69]

So honestly... Minato can literally only interact with Yoruichi through his Tailed Beast Chakra, or the Reaper Death Seal. Anything else can't do anything cus she is a Soul. And even then, Souls in Bleach ofc have Soul Resistance, esp Soul Reapers. So... he will literally HAVE to be in Kurama Chakra Mode/large Tailed Beast State the entire time.

While Minato has more multipliers for his speed, like reactions, Sage/Kurama Mode. Yoruichi has Shunko, and most of all... Flash Step, to which she is the best at. So she honestly blitzes Minato.

Even if Minato could catch Yoruichi offguard, and like hits her with like a Rasengan or Tailed Beast Bomb. She has Utsusemi, where her afterclone still "bleeds" but was still a fake...

Minato's Dimensional BFR through Flying Raijin is useless, as Yoruichi can open a Senkaimon. And even then, he has to GO to said dimension to plant a Raijin Mark to send her there in the first place.

Yoruichi has vast knowledge of Kido, so she can like use Bakudo spells to pin him in place and unleash a super powerful Hado to destroy him. Though Minato can most certainly teleport out of that with Flying Raijin.

BIGGEST of all... Yoruichi can just Soul Crush him with her Spiritual Pressure and he has 0 resistance to it. AND as is the very nature of Souls in Bleach, she completely bypasses the Edo Tensei regeneration as she ofc damage their very soul.

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Honestly, the only Wincon I can even think of for Minato. Is his Kurama Chakra corroding Yoruichi. BUT, Yoruichi can easily cut off whatever ligament is corroding. Just like how Sui-Feng did against Barragan, which Accelerates time to age her. Figure out that his chakra/energy is corrosive, and use Shunko or Kido to take him out.

Casting my Vote for Yoruichi

 

[ReaperAndBlues]

Yeah going with Yoruichi FRA. Edo regen gets countered by Soul Physiology

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Doesn't she have Reiatsu Crush?

 

[Apotheosis69]

Obviously. All Spiritual beings in Bleach have it

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Guess I'll argue for minato

So honestly... Minato can literally only interact with Yoruichi through his Tailed Beast Chakra, or the Reaper Death Seal. Anything else can't do anything cus she is a Soul. And even then, Souls in Bleach ofc have Soul Resistance, esp Soul Reapers. So... he will literally HAVE to be in Kurama Chakra Mode/large Tailed Beast State the entire time.

Mostly agree with this however since chakra is confirmed to fuse physical and spiritual energy (look at chapter 17 - 18) he'd def be able to see her in base.

While Minato has more multipliers for his speed, like reactions, Sage/Kurama Mode. Yoruichi has Shunko, and most of all... Flash Step, to which she is the best at. So she honestly blitzes Minato.

Being better at shunko than others would just put her vaguely above them which dosen't at all justify a blitz diff

Even if Minato could catch Yoruichi offguard, and like hits her with like a Rasengan or Tailed Beast Bomb. She has Utsusemi, where her afterclone still "bleeds" but was still a fake...

This is just another version of the clone jutsu which basic shinobi already have knowledge of. Someone like minato would easily be able to fight around this.

Minato's Dimensional BFR through Flying Raijin is useless, as Yoruichi can open a Senkaimon. And even then, he has to GO to said dimension to plant a Raijin Mark to send her there in the first place.

he normally dosen't even use it to bfr (he just uses it to blitz ppl)

Yoruichi has vast knowledge of Kido, so she can like use Bakudo spells to pin him in place and unleash a super powerful Hado to destroy him. Though Minato can most certainly teleport out of that with Flying Raijin.

Yoruichi in character rarely even use bakudo or kido spells, most of the time its just physical attacks.

Also minato can just summon a kurama avatar to sheild himself and potentially even break out of the spell

BIGGEST of all... Yoruichi can just Soul Crush him with her Spiritual Pressure and he has 0 resistance to it.

Soul crush relies on yoruiichi being significantly stronger than him which isn't the case here 98 teratons vs >>>38 teratons
Furthermore aizen kinda implied you can still fight against it if you're physically strong enough as despite thinking dangai ichigo had sacrificed all of his reiatsu for physical poeer he wasn't at all suprised at the idea that he could still fight him

AND as is the very nature of Souls in Bleach, she completely bypasses the Edo Tensei regeneration as she ofc damage their very soul.

Again naruto characters and especially tailed beast users can resist attacks that effect them on a spiritual lvl.

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Honestly, the only Wincon I can even think of for Minato. Is his Kurama Chakra corroding Yoruichi. BUT, Yoruichi can easily cut off whatever ligament is corroding. Just like how Sui-Feng did against Barragan,

So she loses a limb which hampers her movement and attacking options significantly

which Accelerates time to age her. Figure out that his chakra/energy is corrosive, and use Shunko or Kido to take him out.

Casting my Vote for Yoruichi

Again he just sheilds against this and potentially breaks out with a kurama avatar

 

[That_moron2]

Reiatsu crush makes this a stomp

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Reiatsu crush makes this a stomp

Again that relies on the yoruichi is significantly stronger than him (she isn't)

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Again that relies on the yoruichi is significantly stronger than him (she isn't)

We don't accept that in crossverse matchups here. It's hax, not passive AP.

 

[Delusionaltx2]

We don't accept that in crossverse matchups here. It's hax, not passive AP.

(Idk when aizen flat out debunks this) Even so minato already resists soul based attacks so the spiritual pressure wouldn't actually kill him

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

(Idk when aizen flat out debunks this) Even so minato already resists soul based attacks so the spiritual pressure wouldn't actually kill him

Isn't Yoruichi's layered or something? I heard the really strong characters had layered hax.

 

[GodEarh206]

Isn't Yoruichi's layered or something? I heard the really strong characters had layered hax.

it's simply "stronger" not a layer

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

it's simply "stronger" not a layer

Then wouldn't it get through Minato's resistance since his is baseline?

 

[Purgy]

(Idk when aizen flat out debunks this) Even so minato already resists soul based attacks so the spiritual pressure wouldn't actually kill him

Is that on his profile?

 

[Apotheosis69]

Still nothing shows Minato has resistance to Soul Manip...

If hypothetically so, it should be on the profile

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Then wouldn't it get through Minato's resistance since his is baseline?

Stronger just means yoruichi scales of normal people who wouldn't scale to minato

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Is that on his profile?

The Kcm naruto feat is accepted and he would scale to it.

Also chakra manipulation (as incomplete as it is) IS on his profile which just gives him resistance to this naturally.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Stronger just means yoruichi scales of normal people who wouldn't scale to minato

Huh? This sentence isn't computing for me. First of all, Naruto Soul Hax Resistance is currently baseline, so if hers is basically just "Baseline but stronger" then it should work just fine on Minato. Second of all Minato doesn't have that resistance on his profile in the first place.

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Huh? This sentence isn't computing for me. First of all, Naruto Soul Hax Resistance is currently baseline, so if hers is basically just "Baseline but stronger" then it should work just fine on Minato. Second of all Minato doesn't have that resistance on his profile in the first place.

It would be baseline but with the bonus of giving her more ap.

Chakra manip simply being there tbh is all that's needed since that means his profile accepts him as manipulating what chakra IS which is flat out stated in pt 1 (again around 17-18) to be physical and spiritual energy.

The basics of the kcm naruto feat (What was extracted from him being his soul along with him intracting with it is accepted) therefore since them being able to endure their soul being wicked out of them is accepted it would be applicable to them.

 

[Purgy]

The Kcm naruto feat is accepted and he would scale to it.

Also chakra manipulation (as incomplete as it is) IS on his profile which just gives him resistance to this naturally.

What feat are you referring to? Soul manipulation resistance is on neither Minato's page nor the chakra page as far as I can tell.

 

[Delusionaltx2]

What feat are you referring to? Soul manipulation resistance is on neither Minato's page nor the chakra page as far as I can tell.

This which is where all the justification regarding tailed beast users having soul based npi comes from.

My point being if the wiki accepts this as legitimate soul extraction it would grant minato resistance to soul hax by proxy or at least things like soul based dura neg and stuff like that.

 

[Purgy]

This which is where all the justification regarding tailed beast users having soul based npi comes from.

My point being if the wiki accepts this as legitimate soul extraction it would grant minato resistance to soul hax by proxy or at least things like soul based dura neg and stuff like that.

Naruto physically pulling his soul back from Nagato is just NPI, it used to be considered soul resistance but was changed years ago in this thread. Though, even if it remained, I'm pretty sure it would just be considered as resistance to soul absorption, not soul manipulation in general, so he'd still be soul crushed.

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Naruto physically pulling his soul back from Nagato is just NPI, it used to be considered soul resistance but was changed years ago in this thread.

Well f*** (I disagree with the reasoning for it giving just pin tho.)

Though, even if it remained, I'm pretty sure it would just be considered as resistance to soul absorption, not soul manipulation in general, so he'd still be soul crushed.

That's fair ig but there's still chakra manip being a thing.

Since shinobi can tank the jutsu of others along with them tanking hits from characters that literally specialize in enhancing themselves with raw chakra his soul resistance should still apply here

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Yeah no, that's not how that works. Getting hit with raw chakra doesn't just hurt people's souls, otherwise every basic attack inflicted by KCM Naruto and Minato would be doing Soul Hax since they're covered in nothing but pure Chakra as a Pseudo forcefield.

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Yeah no, that's not how that works. Getting hit with raw chakra doesn't just hurt people's souls, otherwise every basic attack inflicted by KCM Naruto and Minato would be doing Soul Hax since they're covered in nothing but pure Chakra as a Pseudo forcefield.

Yeah that's a part the argument...whats the problem here?

 

[ReaperAndBlues]

Yeah that's a part the argument...whats the problem here?

The fact that KCM alone cannot destroy Edo Tensei. If it could, Ay wouldn't have been able to regenerate from Naruto lobbing a Rasenshuriken to his chest and nuking him, since Edo Tensei's Low-Godly requires a soul to regen, meaning any damage to the soul would either limit or completely negate their regen depending on the scale of damage.

 

[Delusionaltx2]

The fact that KCM alone cannot destroy Edo Tensei. If it could, Ay wouldn't have been able to regenerate from Naruto lobbing a Rasenshuriken to his chest and nuking him, since Edo Tensei's Low-Godly requires a soul to regen, meaning any damage to the soul would either limit or completely negate their regen depending on the scale of damage.

No

First of all its still very much low-godly regen can still work even if the soul is damaged since the requirements for low-godly is to regen from the mind,body, and soul damage to said soul would just be regened off. (Like how a grenade would interact with a character who has high regen)

Also A doesn't debunk anything since he can also use chakra he'd have a certain level of resistance to soul based dura neg.

 

[ReaperAndBlues]

No

First of all its still very much low-godly regen can still work even if the soul is damaged since the requirements for low-godly is to regen from the mind,body, and soul damage to said soul would just be regened off. (Like how a grenade would interact with a character who has high regen)

No, that's Mid-Godly. Low-Godly requires a form of disembodied conciousness to regenerate from, meaning any damage to said external consciousness will limit or negate the regen

Low-Godly: The ability to regenerate from the complete physical destruction of the user's body, instead restoring it from their disembodied consciousness, whether that be their soul, mind, some other non-physical aspect of themself, esoteric or metaphysical energy, or something else.

Edo Tensei's regeneration specifically states it regenerates from the soul, the soul itself cannot regenerate. Bleach's soul damage doesn't just destroy the soul, it destroys the mind as well, which is why to recover from total destruction in Bleach, you need Mid-Godly regen.

Also A doesn't debunk anything since he can also use chakra he'd have a certain level of resistance to soul based dura neg.

How so? No Edos are stated or capable of resisting soul damage since they rely soley (pun not intended) on their soul. Plus, as Purgy mentioned, any form of resistance to Soul Manipulation scaling from Naruto is moot.

 

[Delusionaltx2]

No, that's Mid-Godly. Low-Godly requires a form of disembodied conciousness to regenerate from

Mb on that ig

, meaning any damage to said external consciousness will limit or negate the regen

again this won't always be the case that's like again saying because I can dmg the body I can limit the regen of someone with high regeneration...it doesn't work that way

Edo Tensei's regeneration specifically states it regenerates from the soul, the soul itself cannot regenerate.

 That would just mean their regen works down to the spiritual level and you would need complete destruction of their soul to kill them

Bleach's soul damage doesn't just destroy the soul, it destroys the mind as well, which is why to recover from total destruction in Bleach, you need Mid-Godly regen.

cool how is this relevant?

How so? No Edos are stated or capable of resisting soul damage since they rely soley (pun not intended) on their soul.

Again that would come from the fact they can use chakra NOT from merely being an edo.

Plus, as Purgy mentioned, any form of resistance to Soul Manipulation scaling from Naruto is moot.

How exactly?

 

[ReaperAndBlues]

again this won't always be the case that's like again saying because I can dmg the body I can limit the regen of someone with high regeneration...it doesn't work that way.

It's not a case of merely weakening regen by hitting them really hard, it's through hurting what they rely on.Example: Piccolo. he requires his head to be undamaged to regen. Edos cannot regen damage to the soul as shown by Minato losing an arm to a TSB. I could be wrong, I haven't debated in a minute because Bleach matchups tend to be wack as f**k (see Ichigo's page to know what I mean).

 That would just mean their regen works down to the spiritual level and you would need complete destruction of their soul to kill them

Yeah, and uh, guess what reiatsu crush is.....

cool how is this relevant?

Because Bleach characters naturally negate low-godly regen through the destruction of all three, and it's also passive if you don't resist reiatsu crush, which Minato doesn't so he just gets haxxed.

Again that would come from the fact they can use chakra NOT from merely being an edo.

How does this equate to a resistance to soul manipulation?

How exactly?

Naruto's chakra arms are just NPI, not a form of soul manipulation.