Explain to me his concepthax. I want to know how it works!
?, like what?, this isn't an argument, your argument is literally character A has ability X but he didn't use it so he should has X. Before Zamasu could do anything, he was erased
Where is the statement that remotely mentions evil being a fundamental force in reality?
Aren't no way, did you read Sealas point?
Because they're just more of reiterating Janemba being made of wicked thoughts collected from the soul cleansing machine, which btw is still using that individual kanji 念 and not 概念, the latter is the thing you need for ideas/concepts to be solidified while the former just means thoughts.
Semantic nitpicking, in fact 概念 also translated into general ideas, notion, theory which of course the result from thoughts. Concepts as i have explained in the blog, and google are free too, concepts are mental construct, mental contruct is literal ideas, or thoughts. You nitpicking certain translation of the kanji hardly mean anything, even in our site we literally hardly give away concept hax by simply namedrop the word concept, contexts can mean otherwise. You are overfocusing on a single translation of that text why ignoring others
There would be no more evil people by default of you nuking all timelines in existence since no one is left to be alive at that point. Sealas' goal of wanting to "get rid of evil" so his justice can be true doesn't narrow down the interpretation to evil as a concept exists and can be manipulated. Again the time scrolls in of itself contain the timelines of the series and anything dangerous that happens to them results in everything there being gone. This is no different than Ultron's goals of wanting to wipe out humanity to create true peace and remove all disorder and conflict, and neither instances talk about controlling the literal concept of evil itself.
I can't post scan cause on phone, and the site often freeze, but anyway, as people have said, Sealas can destroy the multiverse and create new timeline, if he just want to get rid of evil guys then he could just simply blow up the multiverse, make a new world to his liking, why he still need to go after the Timescroll????, and the term "Evil" was literally written in capital, signified the important of the term
No it cannot, being an abstract is at best supporting evidence and not the main evidence for something to be a concept. Plus the only thing the blog remotely proves is that evil or anything akin to it can warp reality. That's not it being a fundamental force of reality, it just means the power has reality warping capabilities.
So you agree that being abstract is evidences, huh?, literally what we are arguing is abstract ideas that can impact physical reality and even influence metaphysical aspect, literally, Janemba's Evil Ideas can warp reality of the afterlife, breaking the law of said world, etc..... law is a metaphysical aspect
The negative energy warping reality doesn't translate it to being conceptual. I only questioned it because you guys are trying to compare Janemba's power to the Shadow Dragon's powers and claim they're one and the same just because they had similar names, and even with the King Yemma stuff it at best just shows these types of powers can warp laws, something that doesn't require being conceptual in nature for you to achieve such a feat.
They didn't have the same name, they literally have different, but was literally called Evil power, Evil energy. It is very clear talking about their nature being the same thing. Like, i already responsed and countered this point before, but look like you didn't care
Where does it say that the literal concept of Justice and Order is being manipulated during his time as a sentient timeline
No way we goes with namedrop argument, like, i dislike whataboutism, but since you also used it, i feel like using it too. Like there are so many verses that didn't namedrop this "concept" word and still easily get CM, where do you at that time?
Also, like what i said, bro literally got erased before he could finish what he was doing, why the hell you guys asking for what he could do?
Did we watch the same Arc or are we just ignoring the entire point of the Arc is that Zamasu is flat out evil and is trying to kill all life in the universe? By this logic Light Yagami is considered a good guy because he always touts himself as an arbiter of justice who'd strike evil despite the entire point of his story in Death Note is that he's as evil, if not more evil than the people he's going out of his way to kill.
I think people already said this, but we are talking about DBH IZ or rather, DB Game IZ
To be frank, I assumed he did embody the actual concept(s) based on
the translation provided here, worded as: "It is becoming justice and order itself". However, that may have been a mistranslation, especially given the repeated phrasing throughout various sources that Infinite Zamasu is only trying to become justice and order. From where I stand, this appears to be a recurring pattern:
1. Earlier in the thread, I questioned that translation and attempted to verify it (admittedly in a somewhat amateurish manner). I reviewed several anime clips with alternate subtitles, most of which consistently used language indicating intent or effort rather than completion. One example (
I timestamped the video in question here, in a previous post) included the lines:
Granted, I would still like a Translation Helper to clarify the original meaning of what Gowasu said so this can finally be settled. The statement in question is from Episode 67.
2. In this Sparkling! Zero scan provided by you (
your comment,
the first scan), it says:
Whereas the description for the Imgur link in that scan says:
"In Sparking! Zero, the narrator directly stated that Zamasu was becoming justice and order itself along with the universe".
This is what I find difficult to accept: the idea that phrases like “was becoming” or “attempts to become” automatically imply he already has. The wording in the scan clearly suggests otherwise. It indicates an effort, not an accomplished state. Pedantic as it may sound, this distinction matters. That’s why I don’t believe he’s embodying the literal concept of justice or order, but rather trying to. Ironically, what he becomes is the symbolically opposite of those ideals too. He's guided by his own distorted perception of justice, which ultimately amounts to the destruction of all mortals. And we see this play out when he nukes Future Earth and merges with the universe, though this is less to the point.
3. Based on the above, I'm inclined to think that the scan from Dokkan Battle
(here again,
the second scan) is a hyped-up statement that lacks meaningful support from the source material. The line, “The god who embodies justice and order renders all attacks ineffective!” comes off as unreliable and likely an outlier. And this is literally also referring to his in-game mechanics, which comes off as strange to use as supporting evidence for this at all.
Yes, it appears in the text. But that alone doesn’t make it definitive, especially when other sources (even in Sparkling Zero) consistently frame it as “he’s trying” to become X. All in all I feel that this scan is little more than flavored character text rather than a conclusive interpretation. And since Dokkan as is sourcing Infinite Zamasu from Super and not any other derivative material, I'm inclined to think that the meaning/interpretation from Super is the absolute one in this case.
Aren't no way we goes with mistranslation and it is just hyped up statement argument again
Ngl here i feel very frustrating, like, why only in DB thread we have counter-argument is "it is just flowery language" without a single shred of evidences on why they are flowery?
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