Aizen is NOT that guy 😭✌🏽

[Apollonir.Scale]

What I don't understand is why you think Aizen's 4-A rank only comes from Yamamoto. The fact that Aizen was strong enough to defeat Unohana already puts him above Gremmy.

 

[Damage3245]

What I don't understand is why you think Aizen's 4-A rank only comes from Yamamoto. The fact that Aizen was strong enough to defeat Unohana already puts him above Gremmy.

Unohana doesn't currently scale to Gremmy on her profile. Actually, Unohana currently gets her scaling primarily from Aizen.

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

No, it really doesn't look like you do. Anyways, you still haven't used any further evidence and found a scan that goes against my point, so I'll stay with my current stance of disagreeing. Will see how the thread progresses though.

I, in fact, do understand it quite well, a human's situation cannot be equated to a bleach character due to the difference of physiology as well as motive,

you're not supposed to tell people they need "extra evidence" and then conveniently duck when given any argument whatsoever, you need to actually counter the reasoning instead of hitting them with a "nuh uh I need this spoonfed or else it's not true"

What I don't understand is why you think Aizen's 4-A rank only comes from Yamamoto. The fact that Aizen was strong enough to defeat Unohana already puts him above Gremmy.

like Damage said, She currently does not scale above True Power Zaraki and it was stated that he will surpass her and reach even greater heights buuuuut granted she did match some of his strikes post awakening so I would not be too opposed to Aizen getting his 4a back from the Unohana chain if everyone is on board with that

 

[Apollonir.Scale]

Unohana doesn't currently scale to Gremmy on her profile. Actually, Unohana currently gets her scaling primarily from Aizen.

like Damage said, She currently does not scale above True Power Zaraki and it was stated that he will surpass her and reach even greater heights buuuuut granted she did match some of his strikes post awakening so I would not be too opposed to aizen getting his 4a back from her if everyone wants that

Zaraki's version of himself fighting Unohana is stronger than his version of himself fighting Gremmy. You're assuming that just because the Gremmy fight happened later, Gremmy is stronger than Unohana.

Removing Zaraki's Eye Patch increases his power more than unlocking his Shikai.

60% Cien => Eye Patch Zaraki on SAFWY

The difference between 60% and 100% is 1.67. I don't know how much rounding is allowed on this site. If it's accepted, it could be rounded up to 2x. But even if it's 1.67, the result doesn't change. Mayuri later gives Zaraki a new eye patch, which he says is something like 10 times better than the old one.

1.67 x 10 = 16.7

Even his Bankai isn't 16.7x amp. Gerard notes that Toshiro and Byakuya's Bankai grant more power boosts than Zaraki's, but Zaraki is stronger than them.

Toshiro says he has the smallest difference between his Bankai and Shikai in the Gotei 13.

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

I am aware of his eyepatch-removed state being stronger than his eyepatch-on state and I'm fine with Unohana scaling to a stronger Zaraki than the version that face-tanked Gremmy's suicide bombing

I said she currently does not scale above TP Zaraki to inform you on what is accepted in the wiki currently, not to say her being this strong is inherently false

 

[Apollonir.Scale]

There's no need for all this. It's been stated that Aizen is superior to all Arrancars. This includes Wonderweiss, and we're scaling Wonderweiss to Yamamoto. Ghost didn't list Yamamoto and Wonderweiss on the list of characters that would be affected by CRT. Since Yamamoto>Base Yhwach>Gremmy, Yamamoto and Wonderweiss are also 4-A.

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

There's no need for all this. It's been stated that Aizen is superior to all Arrancars. This includes Wonderweiss, and we're scaling Wonderweiss to Yamamoto. Ghost didn't list Yamamoto and Wonderweiss on the list of characters that would be affected by CRT. Since Yamamoto>Base Yhwach>Gremmy, Yamamoto and Wonderweiss are also 4-A.

Yamamoto puts a gaping hole in his body and sends him flying, rips off his limbs, several times, punches WW into oblivion...I don't think WW should be scaling to Yamamoto, if you're getting one shotted repeatedly you straight up are not relative to that person because you're failing to withstand and be relative with them at each turn, if he needs to be downgraded for this thread so be it lol

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

I, in fact, do understand it quite well, a human's situation cannot be equated to a bleach character due to the difference of physiology as well as motive,

No you really do not understand it at all, because an analogy is just the act of comparing 2 things, not equating them.

you're not supposed to tell people they need "extra evidence" and then conveniently duck when given any argument whatsoever, you need to actually counter the reasoning instead of hitting them with a "nuh uh I need this spoonfed or else it's not true"

Conveniently ducking what bro? You're the only person who has done that, you haven't provided a single shred of evidence against my point and just typed a response with no scans, so what's your point? Cuz I can easily just say that not a single one of these scans presented ever state or otherwise show that Yamamoto did anything other than letting Aizen hit him with his attack. Which I already said does not equate to him lowering his durability, which once again, you have not provided a single shred of evidence for other than a typed up response with no scans. So I standby what I said.

 

[Apollonir.Scale]

Yamamoto puts a gaping hole in his body and sends him flying, rips off his limbs, several times, punches WW into oblivion...I don't think WW should be scaling to Yamamoto, if you're getting one shotted repeatedly you straight up are not relative to that person because you're failing to be relative at each turn

But there are panels where WW can hit Yamamoto. Also, WW doesn't disappear when Yamamoto hits with one arm. He has to hit with two. If I remember correctly, there was a panel where Yamamoto said, "Since you don't look like a child anymore, I won't be upset if I destroy you." So, he doesn't hold back either. He even stopped a punch Yamamoto used to hit Aizen. All of that aside, we're talking about a character created by the Hogyoku to seal Yamamoto's powers, and the Hogyoku grants the user's wishes (Aladdin's magic Hogyoku). So, if someone created to withstand Yamamoto was much below that level, Aizen should have repeated the speech where he saw the Espada as a disappointment.

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

No you really do not understand it at all, because an analogy is just the act of comparing 2 things, not equating them.

This is deadass semantics gooning, you're wasting everyone's time by trying to debate inconsequential differences when the intended meaning is the same, please quit it.

Conveniently ducking what bro? You're the only person who has done that, you haven't provided a single shred of evidence against my point and just typed a response with no scans, so what's your point? Cuz I can easily just say that not a single one of these scans presented ever state or otherwise show that Yamamoto did anything other than letting Aizen hit him with his attack. Which I already said does not equate to him lowering his durability, which once again, you have not provided a single shred of evidence for other than a typed up response with no scans. So I standby what I said.

Apparently I didn't post any scans but also you make attempt to talk about the scans that I presented, so which is it? you're contradicting yourself

I HAVE provided scans I gave you interpretations, I gave you reasoning and spoon-fed to why the selected interp is logically consistent, while having it well elaborated in the OP, your response is straight up dismissal and denial "nah this isnt evidence, you need extra proof" this is legit a textbook case of argument from ignorance, you're providing nothing new to the table and just extending this crt unnecessarily

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But there are panels where WW can hit Yamamoto. Also, WW doesn't disappear when Yamamoto hits with one arm. He has to hit with two

The first punch puts a gaping hole in his body and sends him flying across several buildings and this is from one hand

If I remember correctly, there was a panel where Yamamoto said, "Since you don't look like a child anymore, I won't be upset if I destroy you." So, he doesn't hold back either.

He indeed said this but after he said that he does this....outright destruction, the argument works if he says he's not holding back and WW then tanks hits but the polar opposite of that happens here so it does not help your case.

He even stopped a punch Yamamoto used to hit Aizen.

He stopped a punch? are you referring to this?

the scene looks like Yama retracted his fist super fast instead of getting blocked

All of that aside, we're talking about a character created by the Hogyoku to seal Yamamoto's powers, and the Hogyoku grants the user's wishes (Aladdin's magic Hogyoku). So, if someone created to withstand Yamamoto was much below that level, Aizen should have repeated the speech where he saw the Espada as a disappointment.

WW was made to contain the flames and use it against Yamamoto which he successfully does, I don't think he has said anything that implies physical relativity and it's shown they're not physically relative so they're consistent with each other.

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

This is deadass semantics gooning, you're wasting everyone's time by trying to debate inconsequential differences when the intended meaning is the same, please quit it.

Yeah just no, the intended meaning is not the same.

Apparently I didn't post any scans but also you make attempt to talk about the scans that I presented, so which is it? you're contradicting yourself

You just failed to understand what I was referring to, I was referring to this message, where you by your own words gave "interpretations and reasoning" cool bro, I asked for scans. Doesn't matter what your said interpretations and reasoning is when it comes with no scans in relation to my arguments. So next time you tell somebody something like this, remember that you're being a complete hypocrite by doing the same exact thing.

I HAVE provided scans I gave you interpretations, I gave you reasoning and spoon-fed to why the selected interp is logically consistent, while having it well elaborated in the OP, your response is straight up dismissal and denial "nah this isnt evidence, you need extra proof" this is legit a textbook case of argument from ignorance, you're providing nothing new to the table and just extending this crt unnecessarily

Yeah your interpretations and reasoning comes with no scans whatsoever lmao, it's funny how you mentioned "ducking arguments" earlier but that's exactly what you're doing here now by not even trying to find any form of scans to debunk what I said and just chalking it up to "aw yeah this is just an argument from ignorance because I clearly don't have the scans to properly argue against this guys points."

Whatever you say, I already made my stance clear. You can just add my vote and keep it pushing bro it's that simple. Don't gotta waste your time replying to my messages if they are "unnecessary" not gonna keep going back and forth with you.

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

Yeah just no, the intended meaning is not the same.

Atp you're arguing for the sake of arguing, fym it's not intended the same you can't read my mind for you to be coming to such a conclusion lmfao (and this is common sense too )

You just failed to understand what I was referring to, I was referring to this message, where you by your own words gave "interpretations and reasoning" cool bro, I asked for scans. Doesn't matter what your said interpretations and reasoning is when it comes with no scans in relation to my arguments. So next time you tell somebody something like this, remember that you're being a complete hypocrite by doing the same exact thing.

Yeah your interpretations and reasoning comes with no scans whatsoever lmao, it's funny how you mentioned "ducking arguments" earlier but that's exactly what you're doing here now by not even trying to find any form of scans to debunk what I said and just chalking it up to "aw yeah this is just an argument from ignorance because I clearly don't have the scans to properly argue against this guys points."

the scans are in the OP, I don't need to keep spamming links for things I've already shown, ducking is when someone gives an argument you don't even attempt to disprove them or necessitate your side and demand they need extra evidence, you can do this with literally any crt, walk upto them and ignore everything they've dropped and declare them to require more evidence, that does not refute ANYTHING nor does it progress the debate, it achieves nothing outside declaration of disagreement which by itself is pointless since you don't have evaluation rights

Whatever you say, I already made my stance clear. You can just add my vote and keep it pushing bro it's that simple. Don't gotta waste your time replying to my messages if they are "unnecessary" not gonna keep going back and forth with you.

You're not gonna go in a back and forth with me, that's fine, I respect that but I am stubborn enough to call out the fallacious argumentation each time so sorry not sorry.

 

[Nonynho]

agree to OP. Very nice to see some Aizen anti-glazing sometimes lol

 

[Saqphire]

I’ll take it you’re fine with it since they’re not in different ballparks?

Yeah and that’s if and only if Yamamoto himself is at 365 Exatons. If his scaling becomes a definitive 4-A then Aizen comes along with him albeit still with a power difference smaller rhan 7-B Ichigo vs 6-B Zaraki

Shinji downscales from Aizen without being 5-C. Gin can harm Aizen without being 5-C.

Why exactly does Shinji even downscale from Aizen? All of his feats with him if he even had any are invalid because they are KS illusions. Gin’s case is a false equvalience since that feat is off guard which we know can happen in Bleach. Aizen’s feats dont off guard Yama but either way even if he was, I still think he should downscale with his atom Bankai only if anything

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

Yeah and that’s if and only if Yamamoto himself is at 365 Exatons. If his scaling becomes a definitive 4-A then Aizen comes along with him albeit still with a power difference smaller rhan 7-B Ichigo vs 6-B Zaraki

4A (His buttcheeks only got cooked to a medium rare instead of total erasure )



What do you think aizen getting 4A from Unohana instead (crt might result in an upgrade for aizen if we go with that)

 

[Saqphire]

4A (His buttcheeks only got cooked to a medium rare instead of total erasure )

That's kind of what Reiatsu downscaling entails lmao if they can damage each other, they scale to each other so

What do you think aizen getting 4A from Unohana instead (crt might result in an upgrade for aizen if we go with that)

That's also fine. Uno also says she's stronger than anyone other than unsuppressed Kenny sooooo

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

That's kind of what Reiatsu downscaling entails lmao if they can damage each other, they scale to each other so

Which instance were you talking about warranting downscaling again, i think im not following

 

[Saqphire]

Which instance were you talking about warranting downscaling again, i think im not following

All fighting instances where two people can damage each other as according to Zarakis statement that I sent at my first post aswell as Aizens infamous power/hax null scan

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

All fighting instances where two people can damage each other as according to Zarakis statement that I sent at my first post aswell as Aizens infamous power/hax null scan

I wasn’t asking about the general rules but anyways, I’m fine with it considering what Zaraki said for power gaps that are ginormous enough to potentially justify a downscale (not that it conflicts with my premise as you’re said before)

 

[Jo-Smooth]

Aizen should still scale to Yama. He said ‘If we fought toe to toe, you’d probably win’, not ‘if we fought toe to toe, I’d have no chance against you and you’d definitively beat me’

He’d just downscale but still be relative to Yama. And based on the context of the statement, he was referring to Yamamoto’s Zanpakuto’s power, not really Yama himself. Which makes sense as Aizen tanked Yama’s self sacrificial Hado 91

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

Aizen should still scale to Yama. He said ‘If we fought toe to toe, you’d probably win’, not ‘if we fought toe to toe, I’d have no chance against you and you’d definitively beat me’

He’d just downscale but still be relative to Yama. And based on the context of the statement, he was referring to Yamamoto’s Zanpakuto’s power, not really Yama himself. Which makes sense as Aizen tanked Yama’s self sacrificial Hado 91

It indeed does not say he'd get erased but it implies his inferiority it does not imply relativity so the "he should downscale" has 0 basis whatsoever

We already discussed his Hado, Aizen did not tank it at all and definitely not in a way that warrants scaling, he did not withstand the whole explosion but a very tiny fraction of it and that too bloodied him up after a brief exposure and had him run for his life. That's the polar opposite of "relative to yama"

 

[Jo-Smooth]

It indeed does not say he'd get erased but it implies his inferiority it does not imply relativity so the "he should downscale" has 0 basis whatsoever

It does imply relativity as Aizen still think he can win, he just doesn’t like his odds. This is the same Aizen that’s cautious about people he can beat like Unohana. This gets even more significant if you interpret Aizen as also referring to Bankai Yama in this assessment on Yama probably winning, but that’s neither here nor there

We already discussed his Hado, Aizen did not tank it at all and definitely not in a way that warrants scaling, he did not withstand the whole explosion but a very tiny fraction of it and that too bloodied him up after a brief exposure and had him run for his life. That's the polar opposite of "relative to yama"

If a nuke goes off with me at the epicenter and I get impacted where the energy is most concentrated, but after it goes off and after I take the brunt of that energy, I exit the blast radius entirely, did I not take the most significant amount of the energy directly? And seeing as how higher level Kido, especially in the 90s usually scales over the user’s regular AP output and Yama sacrificed a limb to activate it yet Aizen was only left with a few scratches, I’d say that’s definitively scaling

Even before this, Yama didn’t think he’d get it done with Shikai attacks that scale to his AP and was gonna use a special prep time “sewer slide” bomb attack that would kill himself and a most of the Gotei’s Captains and LTs just for Aizen. And this is after he already confirmed he had the real Aizen in his grasp and wasn’t under an illusion, so you can’t argue it’s just to AOE nuke Aizen in case he was in an illusion

 

[Nierre]

yeah I disagree with aizen not scaling to Yamamoto fra

downscaling is reasonable to me though

 

[Jo-Smooth]

Zaraki's version of himself fighting Unohana is stronger than his version of himself fighting Gremmy. You're assuming that just because the Gremmy fight happened later, Gremmy is stronger than Unohana. Removing Zaraki's Eye Patch increases his power more than unlocking his Shikai.

Nah, I actually don’t think the Zaraki that fought Unonana w/o the eyepatch (Muken Zaraki) scales to Post Muken Zaraki. Reason being, while Shikai itself isn’t as significant of an amp as taking off the eyepatch, when a Shinigami first learns to work with their zanpakuto spirit as a partner, they get a significant permanent amp. We first saw this in…Ichigo vs Zaraki, where Ichigo was able to draw with Zaraki and cut through his Zanpakuto when first working with Quincy Zangetsu instead of using him as a weapon. And this amp seemed to be permanent as even a heavily injured and weakened Ichigo was still considered Captain level by Ukitake and was able to react to/block Byakuya’s blitz attempt.

Zaraki at the end of the fight was finally interested in working with his zanpakuto as a partner and learning it’s name after seeing what kind of power Ichigo demonstrated, but wasn’t able to then. So that comes full circle in the TYBW, where after the Muken training, Zaraki disappears for a while and returns in the Gremmy fight as a different Zaraki than the one that beat Unohana

Even his Bankai isn't 16.7x amp. Gerard notes that Toshiro and Byakuya's Bankai grant more power boosts than Zaraki's, but Zaraki is stronger than them.

What makes Zaraki stronger than Adult Toshiro and Byakuya’s Ikka Senjinka/Hypothetical Post 0 Squad Training Shukei Hakuteiken?

Toshiro says he has the smallest difference between his Bankai and Shikai in the Gotei 13.

That was in terms of abilities, not raw power. Daiguren Hyorinmaru is one of the few Bankai in the series that grants an amp to Physical Strength, AP, Durability, and Speed as well as granting enhanced ice and weather manipulation.

What Toshiro was referring to is, his Shikai is ice and weather manipulation. His Bankai is significantly better/more ice and weather manipulation. He wasn’t saying his power changes the least when transforming, all evidence points against that

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

It does imply relativity as Aizen still think he can win, he just doesn’t like his odds. This is the same Aizen that’s cautious about people he can beat like Unohana. This gets even more significant if you interpret Aizen as also referring to Bankai Yama in this assessment on Yama probably winning, but that’s neither here nor there

hat does not remotely imply he can , it doesn't say "yeah we can keep up in a long fight but I'll ultimately loose" he says he will straight up loose

If a nuke goes off with me at the epicenter and I get impacted where the energy is most concentrated, but after it goes off and after I take the brunt of that energy, I exit the blast radius entirely, did I not take the most significant amount of the energy directly? And seeing as how higher level Kido, especially in the 90s usually scales over the user’s regular AP output and Yama sacrificed a limb to activate it yet Aizen was only left with a few scratches, I’d say that’s definitively scaling

OK, that does look like he was in the epicenter I guess

yeah I disagree with aizen not scaling to Yamamoto fra

downscaling is reasonable to me though

I'll take this as you being fine with replacing the current Yama chain with the newer downscale reasoning (Not that it'll change much since his full rating would be higher into 5C via others)

There are two ways to replace Aizen's value
1) 33 exatons upscaling from Senjumaru as her power when nerfed is less than that of one court guard squad, since Aizen is above multiple of these, he scales. (this is accepted in the profiles)
2) 113.35 Exatons upscaling from Unohana, Unohana was able to block some of Zaraki's hits post awakening, this was zaraki without eyepatch so it's above his Gremmy fight self, this one would be an upgrade for Aizen, since usually he's scaled to a lesser version of the Zaraki meteor calc due to Royd being 80% of Yhwach's power so instead of 80% of the meteor calc, he will get 100% scaling. (currently not accepted in the profiles)

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Would you two please mind choosing between these two replacement options?

 

[Damage3245]

@Ghostimuscrime The first option seems better to me right now.

 

[DragoZeroNova]

Just saying, I had to change Zaraki without eyepatch due to him scaling to FB Ichigo and the whole Gremmy thing (Though I could change it back, it'd just look really stupid and nonsensical because Zaraki without eyepatch was Low 5-B/4-A 1.688 Exafoe and Nozorashi was 5-C/4-A 16.88 Exafoe)

EDIT: I could also just scale Base Zaraki without eyepatch to Yhwach with Blut which would then make Nozorashi 113.49 Exatons/16.88 Exafoe and Zaraki without eyepatch Low 5-B/16.88 Exafoe, though I think I'd need to either make another CRT or have that in this CRT

As for downscaling options, it's important to keep in mind that the 33 Exatons end means he doesn't scale to Gremmy's 4-A. This would cause issues with the idea of Aizen downscaling as he has to have a 4-A rating too, though I can probably make a number for that (I think I've seen people just say X downscales by half or something just cause, I could maybe figure something out)

The 113.49 Exatons option I could probably figure out something for, but I'd need to see if the whole Zaraki with/without Eyepatch thing can even logically work.

If we just directly downscale, there's also 231.3 Exatons as baseline 5-C+ and I'd probably be able to figure something out for the 4-A rating too (Just 1 Exafoe?).

 

[DragoZeroNova]

Also, I know the page and the calc says 113.35 Exatons, but unless I'm wrong 4.74859e29 J should be 113.494 Exatons and maybe this should be changed on the verse page too

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

As for downscaling options, it's important to keep in mind that the 33 Exatons end means he doesn't scale to Gremmy's 4-A. This would cause issues with the idea of Aizen downscaling as he has to have a 4-A rating too, though I can probably make a number for that (I think I've seen people just say X downscales by half or something just cause, I could maybe figure something out)

No worries, I accounted for this in my sandbox already

 

[DragoZeroNova]

No worries, I accounted for this in my sandbox already

Does it really make sense to be baseline, cause that's like a 50,000x gap or something

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

That’s sadly how downscaling works, you go to baseline, if you’re at baseline you go down to the next tier below baseline, it’s not a perfect system but it’s better than arbitrary placements or calc stacking or outright not giving characters scaling at all

 

[Specterxxxx]

I completely disagree this.

 

[Apollonir.Scale]

What makes Zaraki stronger than Adult Toshiro and Byakuya’s Ikka Senjinka/Hypothetical Post 0 Squad Training Shukei Hakuteiken?

Gerard said this before Toshiro became an adult.

Byakuya couldn't even damage v1Gerard.

Zaraki, on the other hand, was able to cut off Gerard's arm.

 

[Nierre]

That’s sadly how downscaling works, you go to baseline, if you’re at baseline you go down to the next tier below baseline, it’s not a perfect system but it’s better than arbitrary placements or calc stacking or outright not giving characters scaling at all

they go to the highest value of the lower tier, like we do in Naruto (Kakashi level characters 7-B+ downscale from Kisame (baseline 7-A)

 

[PedjaTarzan]

okay im kinda confused, you are telling me ALL this time downscaling from certain value isnt being just unquantifiably lower than the said value (i.e 30 megatons and you downscale from the guy you can still index character downscaling on that value on the profiles) but instead you literally drop down no matter the ap value between the two as long as they are the same tier?

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

they go to the highest value of the lower tier, like we do in Naruto (Kakashi level characters 7-B+ downscale from Kisame (baseline 7-A)

erm that's akshually still going to the baseline of the next tier, (can you pls choose one of the ends so I can be freed)

okay im kinda confused, you are telling me ALL this time downscaling from certain value isnt being just unquantifiably lower than the said value (i.e 30 megatons and you downscale from the guy you can still index character downscaling on that value on the profiles) but instead you literally drop down no matter the ap value between the two as long as they are the same tier?

sometimes that is done too, that's where you place an "at most" rating but it's usually when it's confirmed they are close enough I think

 

[PedjaTarzan]

erm that's akshually still going to the baseline of the next tier, (can you pls choose one of the ends so I can be freed)

sometimes that is done too, that's where you place an "at most" rating but it's usually when it's confirmed they are close enough I think

i am sooooo confused now but kay learnt something new ig

 

[Apollonir.Scale]

This is deadass semantics gooning, you're wasting everyone's time by trying to debate inconsequential differences when the intended meaning is the same, please quit it.


Apparently I didn't post any scans but also you make attempt to talk about the scans that I presented, so which is it? you're contradicting yourself

I HAVE provided scans I gave you interpretations, I gave you reasoning and spoon-fed to why the selected interp is logically consistent, while having it well elaborated in the OP, your response is straight up dismissal and denial "nah this isnt evidence, you need extra proof" this is legit a textbook case of argument from ignorance, you're providing nothing new to the table and just extending this crt unnecessarily

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The first punch puts a gaping hole in his body and sends him flying across several buildings and this is from one hand


He indeed said this but after he said that he does this....outright destruction, the argument works if he says he's not holding back and WW then tanks hits but the polar opposite of that happens here so it does not help your case.


He stopped a punch? are you referring to this?

the scene looks like Yama retracted his fist super fast instead of getting blocked


WW was made to contain the flames and use it against Yamamoto which he successfully does, I don't think he has said anything that implies physical relativity and it's shown they're not physically relative so they're consistent with each other.

What about the panel where Wonderweiss damages Yamamoto?

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

What about the panel where Wonderweiss damages Yamamoto?

one person makes their opp a bit bloody, the other person through sheer physical strength rips off limbs as if crushing a bug with no difficulty, we objectively cannot say he's relative to yamamoto because every instance we see them he fails horribly in terms of withstanding baldie's attacks this as he's not withstanding anything at all

I could MAYBE be fine downscaling by virtue of the blood because of scar's goonery with the zaraki panel but that's at the limit of it given the SEVERE one sided beatdown WW got



Nierre vote on one of the two options man, i wanna get ts over with

 

[Saqphire]

I could MAYBE be fine downscaling by virtue of the blood because of scar's goonery with the zaraki panel but that's at the limit of it given the SEVERE one sided beatdown WW got

heheh