Patch-Faced kid fights homelessness (REDUX!) | Juuzou Suzuya (Tokyo ghoul) vs. Toji Fushiguro (Jujutsu Kaisen) | [0-0-0]

[Delusionaltx2]

A remastered version of this

Speed equalized
Juuzou is High 7-C and starts off in base, but can use Arata mid-fight
The fight starts with both being 100 meters apart.
Toji has prior knowledge on how strong juuzou is and has prior knowledge on the arata armour
Juuzou has prior knowledge on SSK
Both have all of their optional equipment.
The battle takes place at an abandoned part of Shibuya
SBA for anything else


"Good evenin" :

"Dammit My parlay!": Foriaa

Kaneki solos both (incon):

P.S: I know thats a rabsopetty quote but idc

 

[NikHelton]

Why both not high 7-C?

 

[NikHelton]

And add tags, please

 

[Arkenis]

Suzuya not knowing the sword will dura neg his weapons could make this pretty hard. If he goes in with Jason he'll be disarmed after one clash, prob resorts to his knives then ends up in Arata which could be his only win con.

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Why both not high 7-C?

He was 7-C last I saw him so mb

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Made juuzou high 7-C this time

 

[LaserPrecision]

Suzuya not knowing the sword will dura neg his weapons could make this pretty hard. If he goes in with Jason he'll be disarmed after one clash, prob resorts to his knives then ends up in Arata which could be his only win con.

Wouldn't getting in close at all be fatal considering the range of SSK? It can hit things several meters away from the blade.

 

[NikHelton]

Yes, but that's definitely not Toji's starting move, and he relies much more on his Inverted Heaven's Spear.

It's much more likely that Suzuya uses Arata at the start of the fight, because he does it immediately against strong opponents, as he did in the battle with Kaneki. Arata provides a blitz and one-shot boost, making attacks much more unpredictable. Suzuya also has better reaction time, so when destroying Jason, he will actively avoid all enemy attacks.
And his skills, superior LS, and ability to counter attacks will allow him to disarm Toji, who usually relies on brute force.

 

[Arkenis]

Wouldn't getting in close at all be fatal considering the range of SSK? It can hit things several meters away from the blade.

Yeah pretty much could just die on the first swing.

 

[LaserPrecision]

Yes, but that's definitely not Toji's starting move, and he relies much more on his Inverted Heaven's Spear.

He only used Inverted Spear of Heaven once against Gojo. Idk what you mean by he relies more on ISoH. That just ain't true.

 

[NikHelton]

Yeah pretty much could just die on the first swing.

It would be cool if he even started with this katana, because it's much more likely that he would start with a normal katana, Playful Cloud, or Heaven's Spear on a Thousand Mile Chain.

 

[NikHelton]

He only used Inverted Spear of Heaven once against Gojo. Idk what you mean by he relies more on ISoH. That just ain't true.

We had two fights with him. In one, he relied on an inverted spear, in the second, on a playful cloud. Show me when he uses SS as an opening move.

 

[LaserPrecision]

It would be cool if he even started with this katana, because it's much more likely that he would start with a normal katana, Playful Cloud, or Heaven's Spear on a Thousand Mile Chain.

He never even used Playful Cloud. I don't think he even had it during the Flashback arc, he had that when he was resurrected as a brainless monster in Shibuya and stole it from Maki. He only used chain of a thousand miles once, and he used that because Gojo was far away as **** and wanted to be able to hit him. He used SSK more than any other Cursed Tool from my memory.

 

[NikHelton]

Yes, he used SS against Suguru, but he doesn't use it more often than other moves.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

The only reason he used ISoH against Gojo so much was to get past Infinity since it nullifies Cursed Techniques.

 

[Arkenis]

Yes, but that's definitely not Toji's starting move, and he relies much more on his Inverted Heaven's Spear.

He relies on it for ct, there's no reason to assume Suzuya is using ct here especially when he senses little ce in Suzuya.

It's much more likely that Suzuya uses Arata at the start of the fight, because he does it immediately against strong opponents, as he did in the battle with Kaneki. Arata provides a blitz and one-shot boost, making attacks much more unpredictable. Suzuya also has better reaction time, so when destroying Jason, he will actively avoid all enemy attacks.

That was Kaneki the strongest ghoul and after a long drawn out war between the doves and Kaneki's group. He's got zero reason to use Arata at the start.
Arata wouldn't one shot either, we got no clue on it's power and instead we know he almost died to Kaneki even with help.

It would be cool if he even started with this katana, because it's much more likely that he would start with a normal katana, Playful Cloud, or Heaven's Spear on a Thousand Mile Chain.

Normal katana was used only so Gojo couldn't sense it, PC isn't standard equipment but I mean okay, that just means an amp for Toji.

We had two fights with him. In one, he relied on an inverted spear, in the second, on a playful cloud. Show me when he uses SS as an opening move.

He also took it out to cut a random curse over ISOH. He mainly uses SSK for curses but there's no reason he wouldn't whip it out against a giant scythe when its the greater reach.

 

[LaserPrecision]

We had two fights with him. In one, he relied on an inverted spear, in the second, on a playful cloud. Show me when he uses SS as an opening move.

He used Inverted Spear to bypass Gojo's Infinity, and then he swapped to a regular knife when he stabbed Gojo in the brain. Against Geto he used Split Soul Katana since Geto doesn't have a defensive technique that makes him impossible to hit like Gojo.

But sure:

He uses it immediately after stabbing Gojo with a regular Katana (Because if he used a Cursed Tool, Gojo would sense the CE and activate Infinity) and Geto swallowed him with a Curse:

Used it on Rainbow Dragon when Geto attacked him:

(Was his first move btw)

Literally every time he didn't use Soul Split Katana was because he had a reason NOT to.

 

[NikHelton]

He never even used Playful Cloud. I don't think he even had it during the Flashback arc, he had that when he was resurrected as a brainless monster in Shibuya and stole it from Maki. He only used chain of a thousand miles once, and he used that because Gojo was far away as **** and wanted to be able to hit him. He used SSK more than any other Cursed Tool from my memory.

Which one are we talking about more often?

Against Suguru's worm, he came out with the SSK.
Against Satoru, he came out with a regular katana, then used the Inverted Heavenly Spear and a regular knife.
Against Geto, he used the SSK to kill the Rainbow Dragon, then used the Inverted Heavenly Spear to destroy Kuchisake Domain, then used the regular katana again against it.
Against Gojo, he used the Inverted Heavenly Spear again.

So, we have:

SSK - twice, both times against spirits
Inverted Heavenly Spear - three times to destroy enemy equipment
Regular katana - twice. Once for a surprise attack and once to attack the shaman.

Based on this, it's more logical to assume he'll start with a regular katana and pistol, and then move on to the SSK.

No, the Playful Cloud originally belonged to Toji, and Geto acquired it by taking his spirit. So it's quite possible that Fushiguro uses the spear more often than the SSK, lol.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

He used Inverted Spear to bypass Gojo's Infinity, and then he swapped to a regular knife when he stabbed Gojo in the brain. Against Geto he used Split Soul Katana since Geto doesn't have a defensive technique that makes him impossible to hit like Gojo.

But sure:

He uses it immediately after stabbing Gojo with a regular Katana (Because if he used a Cursed Tool, Gojo would sense the CE and activate Infinity) and Geto swallowed him with a Curse:

Used it on Rainbow Dragon when Geto attacked him:

(Was his first move btw)

Literally every time he didn't use Soul Split Katana was because he had a reason NOT to.

Yeah, Toji is a genuinely extremely practical dude. He always thinks his strategies through. The only exception to this was when he tried to kill Gojo a second time out of a mix of self-deprecation and pride since he wanted to prove a point that he could beat the strongest dude alive for real at that point.

 

[NikHelton]

He relies on it for ct, there's no reason to assume Suzuya is using ct here especially when he senses little ce in Suzuya.

This is still used more often than SSK. It's much more likely that he'll start with a regular katana.

That was Kaneki the strongest ghoul and after a long drawn out war between the doves and Kaneki's group. He's got zero reason to use Arata at the start.

Kaneki had just returned from a raid. It was still early in their fight, and Suzuya used Arata because he was serious.

Arata wouldn't one shot either, we got no clue on it's power and instead we know he almost died to Kaneki even with help.

It does this because it allows Kurona to be annihilated when she enters her half-kakuji state and keeps parity with Kaneki's kakuji, who has a one-shot amp

Normal katana was used only so Gojo couldn't sense it, PC isn't standard equipment but I mean okay, that just means an amp for Toji.

It was used to neutralize Geto

He also took it out to cut a random curse over ISOH. He mainly uses SSK for curses but there's no reason he wouldn't whip it out against a giant scythe when its the greater reach.

He uses SSK against spirits and TISOH against techniques. However, if you're talking about distance, it would be wiser for him to use pistols or a thousand-mile chain.

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Should I give suzuya prior knowledge on the soul split katana?

 

[NikHelton]

Yeah, Toji is a genuinely extremely practical dude. He always thinks his strategies through. The only exception to this was when he tried to kill Gojo a second time out of a mix of self-deprecation and pride since he wanted to prove a point that he could beat the strongest dude alive for real at that point.

Yes, his tools each serve their purpose. And we see that he uses a katana more heavily against shamans.

To finish off Gojo, he used a regular knife, although according to the logic of JJK supporters, he should have used an SSK.

 

[NikHelton]

Should I give suzuya prior knowledge on the soul split katana?

I don't know how necessary this is. It's unlikely that SSK will be the opening move. I literally just figured out the order in which Toji used his weapons above, lol.

Suzuya, for his part, doesn't hesitate to use Arata.

 

[LaserPrecision]

SSK - twice, both times against spirits
Inverted Heavenly Spear - three times to destroy enemy equipment
Regular katana - twice. Once for a surprise attack and once to attack the shaman.

Based on this, it's more logical to assume he'll start with a regular katana and pistol, and then move on to the SSK.

No, the Playful Cloud originally belonged to Toji, and Geto acquired it by taking his spirit. So it's quite possible that Fushiguro uses the spear more often than the SSK, lol.

Nikhelton, yes he uses Inverted Spear more often, but look at the context.

Gojo has Infinity. He literally can't use Soul Split Katana on him and thus needed to open up with Inverted Spear of Heaven. He needed to use it again on Geto's Curse because it put him in a simple domain where he had to abide by the rules and was about to be chopped by the pieces. He completely negated this by using Inverted Spear of Heaven so he didn't die right there and then. He uses it AGAIN against Gojo because Gojo has Infinity on, and is far away, so attaches it to chain of a thousand miles.

Every time he used it, he needed to use it, otherwise he would have lost or died.

Why would he use this against Juuzou who he has no reason to use it on?

He used the regular katana on Gojo because Gojo would've sensed a Cursed Tool, and he needed to sneak up on him. And he used a regular Katana on Geto because he didn't want to kill Geto, and told him he'll be fine. Soul Split Katana would've cut him into four pieces.

He has no reason to use that here.

 

[MochOath]

why are we arguing Toji wouldnt use his strongest, dura-negging tool by default

 

[Arkenis]

Which one are we talking about more often?

Against Suguru's worm, he came out with the SSK.
Against Satoru, he came out with a regular katana, then used the Inverted Heavenly Spear and a regular knife.
Against Geto, he used the SSK to kill the Rainbow Dragon, then used the Inverted Heavenly Spear to destroy Kuchisake Domain, then used the regular katana again against it.
Against Gojo, he used the Inverted Heavenly Spear again.

So, we have:

SSK - twice, both times against spirits
Inverted Heavenly Spear - three times to destroy enemy equipment
Regular katana - twice. Once for a surprise attack and once to attack the shaman.

Based on this, it's more logical to assume he'll start with a regular katana and pistol, and then move on to the SSK.

No, the Playful Cloud originally belonged to Toji, and Geto acquired it by taking his spirit. So it's quite possible that Fushiguro uses the spear more often than the SSK, lol.

You're basing your argument off an exceptional scenario. Normally Toji just encounters cursed spirits and sorcerers. Realistically, his standard tactics are his fastest ones given he's an assassin meant to kill people. Every weapon he has is reasonably survivable by first grades where as the SSK is a sure one shot and time saver. So unless you explain why the assassin isn't going to go for his best one shot, I don't see how this doesn't end in Suzuya either losing a limb or cut down in one go.

Suzuya, for his part, doesn't hesitate to use Arata.

Show every time he uses Arata.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

why are we arguing Toji wouldnt use his strongest, dura-negging tool by default

Because he's hyper-efficient and goes for the W as fast as he can.

 

[NikHelton]

Nikhelton, yes he uses Inverted Spear more often, but look at the context.

Gojo has Infinity. He literally can't use Soul Split Katana on him and thus needed to open up with Inverted Spear of Heaven. He needed to use it again on Geto's Curse because it put him in a simple domain where he had to abide by the rules and was about to be chopped by the pieces. He completely negated this by using Inverted Spear of Heaven so he didn't die right there and then. He uses it AGAIN against Gojo because Gojo has Infinity on, and is far away, so attaches it to chain of a thousand miles.

Every time he used it, he needed to use it, otherwise he would have lost or died.

Why would he use this against Juuzou who he has no reason to use it on?

He used the regular katana on Gojo because Gojo would've sensed a Cursed Tool, and he needed to sneak up on him. And he used a regular Katana on Geto because he didn't want to kill Geto, and told him he'll be fine. Soul Split Katana would've cut him into four pieces.

He has no reason to use that here.

Half of your message echoes my thought. I said exactly that the inverted spear is used against techniques, and in particular for domain destruction.
However, the SSK, in turn, is used only against spirits. Even when he killed Gojo, he used a regular knife.

 

[Arkenis]

Even when he killed Gojo, he used a regular knife.

He did this cuz he wanted Gojo to turn into a vengeful spirit and be a menace to the world lmao

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Even when he killed Gojo, he used a regular knife.

BECAUSE HE HAD TO MAKE SURE GOJO COULDN'T SENSE ANY CE SO HE WOULDN'T TURN INFINITY BACK ON!

 

[LaserPrecision]

Half of your message echoes my thought. I said exactly that the inverted spear is used against techniques, and in particular for domain destruction.
However, the SSK, in turn, is used only against spirits. Even when he killed Gojo, he used a regular knife.

He used a regular knife for plot purposes mostly, but Gojo at that point was literally dying already and about to collapse into the ground. So he just went for a finishing blow with a knife into the brain.

Cmon dude, be honest. He's an assassin who fights hyper-strategically every time he's on screen. Why would he purposefully not use SSK against people that give him no reason not to? You're making Toji out to be a moron which just isn't honest.

 

[NikHelton]

You're basing your argument off an exceptional scenario. Normally Toji just encounters cursed spirits and sorcerers. Realistically, his standard tactics are his fastest ones given he's an assassin meant to kill people. Every weapon he has is reasonably survivable by first grades where as the SSK is a sure one shot and time saver. So unless you explain why the assassin isn't going to go for his best one shot, I don't see how this doesn't end in Suzuya either losing a limb or cut down in one go.

Still doesn't use SSK against Gojo, using a regular knife instead. And I'm not talking about the moment he appeared, but the moment he finished off Gojo.

Show every time he uses Arata.

Suzuya deliberately gives in to Kurone, literally quoting scenes from their first battle, and as soon as he gets bored, he uses Arata.

In the battle with Kaneki, he uses Arata, increasing the distance.

In the battle with Sova, he uses Arata as soon as he senses trouble, even though the other investigators were unaware of the attack.

 

[NikHelton]

BECAUSE HE HAD TO MAKE SURE GOJO COULDN'T SENSE ANY CE SO HE WOULDN'T TURN INFINITY BACK ON!

Hey, bro, take a deep breath, exhale. Go outside, touch the grass. Come back to the forum and read my message again. He used a regular knife when he finished off Gojo in the head. After Infinity stopped working.

 

[LaserPrecision]

Bro this is so aids. Let's just remove any win Toji ever got because he doesn't use Soul Split Katana on people in-character. He'd just use a regular kitchen knife and short katana instead.

 

[NikHelton]

He used a regular knife for plot purposes mostly, but Gojo at that point was literally dying already and about to collapse into the ground. So he just went for a finishing blow with a knife into the brain.

Cmon dude, be honest. He's an assassin who fights hyper-strategically every time he's on screen. Why would he purposefully not use SSK against people that give him no reason not to? You're making Toji out to be a moron which just isn't honest.

By your logic, any shooter character should use an RPG instead of a pistol against an enemy, and Doomguy should use a BFG instead of a double-barreled shotgun, a shotgun, and a plasma rifle.

No, friend, let's not exaggerate my thoughts, especially since we've already outlined Toji's strategies above. He uses the SSK against spirits because it's a convenient cursed weapon. He uses the TISOH against techniques, and the chain to increase range. Against humans, a katana, a pistol, and a knife are quite sufficient.

He sees Suzuya in front of him, who doesn't possess cursed energy. He's basically a normal person. He'll just try using a pistol, lol. And then he'll resort to a katana, but a regular one. I don't rule out the possibility that he'll draw the SSK, but before that, he'll face the fact that his regular katana will be destroyed by a quinque.

Yes, I know he's a genius fighter. But a genius fighter with a nuclear bomb wouldn't use it on a regular person he just met. Especially considering that it's his nature to rely on his speed and strength, he'd be quite confident that a regular katana would be enough to defeat a normal person.

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Would it be possible to give just prior knowledge on SSK then equalize toji to juuzous base speed and make the two start 100 meters away? (so toji can use stealth)

Think this would be more entertaining than just settling on tojis wincon being "one shotted by soul hax; git gud scrub!"

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Toji FRA

 

[NikHelton]

Bro this is so aids. Let's just remove any win Toji ever got because he doesn't use Soul Split Katana on people in-character. He'd just use a regular kitchen knife and short katana instead.

The point isn't that he doesn't use it, but that it's not a starting move. Especially since we have no prior knowledge and Suzuya doesn't have CE.

Give them both information—Suzuya about SSK, and Toji about Arata and the opponent's strength—and then your scenario will make sense. Otherwise, they'll both need to face each other and analyze each other to decide which trump cards to use.

 

[NikHelton]

Would it be possible to give just prior knowledge on SSK then equalize toji to juuzous base speed and make the two start 100 meters away? (so toji can use stealth)

Think this would be more entertaining than just settling on tojis wincon being "one shotted by soul hax; git gud scrub!"

If Suzuya knows about SSK, he'll instantly use Arata, becoming so fast he becomes invisible. But if you want to do this, give Toji knowledge of Arata and Juzo's power. Then he'll have a compelling reason to use SSK.

 

[MochOath]

arguing in a battleboarding vs thread that Toji wouldnt use his most iconic piece of equipment in a fight is one of the most VSBW things ive ever seen