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It has been a while, everyone. I'm back with one of these. First Pokemon thread of the year, and itâll be quite a doozie. And as you can see from the title, for once, Arceus ainât (not mostly, anyway) the focal point of this. This is indeed an upgrade proposal, mainly, for the Creation Trio & whatnot. While Ive been MIA again, I saw some things happen here lately, and after observing some other cases of this happening, I thought this would be now as good a time as any to make a similar kind of case for Pokemon after doing some digging. To clarify, this will be in reference to the whole argument about parallel worlds being separated by that of a separate space.Iâll get right into it. Long story short, according to our (current) standards, parallel universes that are existing side by side by one another would have an additional spatial dimension that acts as a separator for the said worlds. The said spatial dimension that would be beyond that of ordinary spacetime with at least another spatial axis. For our purposes, 4-D parallel universes that are parallel to each other, & displaced along another spatial dimension to keep them separated, would make this spatial dimension (insignificant sized) 5-D. Which can be tierable and applied as an upgrade if thereâs sufficient proof of significant size for it. Thatâs the gist of what I gathered from this.
After doing some of my own research into how this stacks up with this information, I believe Pokemon can apply for this. Letâs get into why and see where this ends up as.
The Space Between Dimensions in Pokemon
Now taking a moment to briefly mention this in case of confusion, in Pokemon, many of us know of the scope of the verseâs cosmology. Barring Arceusâs Low 1-C realm, the cosmology currently reaches 2-A. You can refer to that & the extent of it here on Pokemonâs Cosmology blog.What I'm going to be presenting next is technically not new information per se, but interesting material that hasnât been accounted for here, until now. As I said above, the space between universes would normally be considered insignificant 5-D by default, & normally isnât tierable, unless evidence of significant size is presented to say otherwise & allow it to scale. I believe Pokemon is now able to meet this standard.
In the subbed version of The Rise of Darkrai movie, we come across the narrator in the opening sequence outright mentioning that there is a rift between time and space, and that it is endless.
This, of course, is in reference to Dialga and Palkiaâs battle in the movie. The setting for the battle those 2 had in Rise of Darkrai took place within this space-time rift. The rift here is not only explicitly stated to be a different space, but it is also considered the space between the dimensions.
As seen & stated in the 2 clips above, the rift appears to be acting as a dimensional space thatâs separating the dimensions in the Pokemon Cosmology. Along with being stated as a different space, Palkia is shown to clearly enter Alamos Town from the rift through a dimensional portal. And on top of that, Ash & his friends, & all of Alamos Town, were literally present inside of this space with Palkia having teleported the entire city there and having it float within the rift. This demonstrates that thereâs no direct connection present between universes, that the dimensions are instead separated by the rift & that this rift is indeed its own separate reality from the multiverse.
Now, we know that âdimensionsâ here in this context is speaking about parallel universes, since the rift was called a different space, and in between the dimensions, in comparison to that of the pokemon universe. What further helps establish this point is Palkia, where part of its lore and dominion over space, specifies that it lives within the rift in-between the dimensions, which also includes parallel universes.
At this point, I'm sure you all can see where I'm going with this. The rift between dimensions in Pokemon here being stated as endless, as well as being its own different space, would now give us proof that the space in between these dimensions, also cited as parallel universes, has a significant enough size for it to be applicable for scaling purposes. And in order for the rift to be capable of actually separating these 4-D universes, for being the space in between them, it would be required to be displaced along a higher-dimensional axis above the standard number of spatial dimensions. Thus, this would make the rift 5-D, & at a significant size.
There are other helpful details to support us here as well:
The Unownâs Dimension
In the above clips, we clearly see the very large presence of Unown roaming around in the middle of Dialga & Palkiaâs battle within the rift. This gives us a great indication that the Unownâs dimension, & the rift between dimensions, are the same thing here. By going off of that, then some more supportive details from this are worth mentioning here for this.Here, here, and here.
The Unownâs dimension has been seen before, and along with the riftâs statement of being a different space, we of course have the Unownâs dimension being called a world & another dimension in its own right. Their world is also depicted as having entire stars, nebulae, & whatnot contained within it.
A glaring detail to notice here is ăăă ("sekai"), a term in the Japanese version which was mentioned. In Japanese, âSekaiâ can have 3 different meanings, depending on the context behind it. âPlanetâ, âSocietyâ, or âUniverseâ. Given the context we have here, such as the Unownâs world being also known as another dimension & the presence of stars & nebulae depicting their world on a cosmic scale, it should be fair to claim âuniverseâ is what the meaning here is, as âplanetâ & âsocietyâ wouldnât fit under this.
On top of that, here is another little piece of evidence worth considering.
For what itâs worth here, while this is from the dub version & we normally prioritize the original language, the dub should be suitable to use as supportive supplemental evidence when additional context can be provided, & the subs do not contradict it (especially in Pokemonâs case with the nature of how the verse works here). And in the dub, Misty in this same moment straight up calls the Unownâs world a universe.
With everything as presented thus far, this would help out even more to hammer in the point that the space between dimensions is not only indeed a separate space of significant size, but that it does function as a universe of its very own, and for being the space between separating parallel universes, the rift would be tiered at 5-D so far.
With that being said, however, we can try taking this even further. Another point to add here into this also that may be helpful.
EDIT: Nevermind on the bottom section. It's been determined that more is needed to prove an additional time-axis is required, so low 1-C for the god tiers, 1-C for Arceus is the new proposal.
The Rift Having a Time Axis
During the course of Dialga & Palkiaâs battle in The Rise of Darkrai, we can discern that their own space-time powers are shown to be effectively able to operate inside of the rift. One prior clip displays DIalga using itâs signature move against Palkia, Roar of Time, which as we know is able to distort time. Along with that, we also see that Dialga was able to cause the flow of time to go totally out of whack inside of the rift just by roaring.
With both of these things taken into account, Dialga being able to do these things involving time demonstrates that the rift doesnât lack time. Quite the opposite. There would need to be a temporal framework present within itself in order for this to occur. Because of that, an additional time axis for this rift would mean that an uncountably infinite number of snapshots of 5-Dimensional space from the rift would be generated.
As a result, if i'm understanding this correctly, then not only would this should further help make the rift be significant enough of a 5-D space to further qualify as a Low 1-C structure, but the addition of a time axis would make the rift qualify as a 1-C structure in its totality.
How This Would Scale
With everything presented up to now, the rest will be easy to explain.Should this upgrade come to pass, these Pokemon that immediately come to mind would be able to become Low 1-C:
EDIT: Forgot some Trainers & Pokemon scale to this, I'll quickly edit them into the list as well.
The Creation Trio
Putting aside the obvious knowledge of the Creation Trio having created the totality of the Pokemon Cosmology, Dialga & Palkia in the movie were significantly affecting the dimensional rift here.We see that the two of them were causing shockwaves within the rift, on several occasions. One of the clips above demonstrates this.
More importantly, Dialga and Palkia were going to destroy the rift as well during their battle.
The Lake Trio
Self Explanatory. The Trio combined can rival that of one of the Creation Trio and can sate them. Individually theyâd be 1/3rd of this.The Lunar Duo (Darkrai & Cresselia)
Cresselia is equal to Darkrai, the latter whoâs comparable to both Dialga and Palkia and puts up a fight against them both. For a number of reasons that his page already does the job of explaining for me.Eternatus
Zacian & Zamazenta (Crowned Shield Keys Only)
Arceus
Very self-explanatory. Given Avatar Arceusâs reasons for already being Low 1-C, this proposal going through would undoubtedly bump Arceus up to 1-C.Trainers
- Red
- Blue
- Maxie
- Archie
- Barry
- Maylene
- Cynthia (both game & anime)
- Cyrus
- Dahlia
- Palmer
- Ghetsis
- Lysandre
- Elio (Pokemon
- Hop
- Bede
- Marnie
- Nessa
- Bea
- Allister
- Piers
- Raihan
- Chairman Rose
- Mustard
- Peony
- Leon
- Ash Ketchum
And with that......here we go.
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