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Hello, today I would like to propose a new section for the cosmology page.
It's the Underworld.
Table of Contents
I will get straight into it. Demons live in the Underworld, also known as Hell (and this isn't referring to the Abyss/Depths only since in the next scan it says the Abyss is something much more):
The demon trampled across the dark realm like a savage beast. Beyond the Gates of Hell lay a spirit realm one could call the land of the dead, or even hell itself, and there he was annihilating demons, like a living manifestation of violence. The powerless ran screaming, the more powerful banding together to defend themselves, but to that demon, it was just helpless struggling. All foes fell to his might, and his rampage continued. V11C2 OTL
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That demon crossed the border like a strong gust of wind, devastating this evil realm. Crossing the ‘Gate of Hell,’ he arrived at a spiritual world—which could be called Hell, or the nether realm. He became the symbol of violence, slaughtering powerful demons along the way.
The weaker demons had already fled, while the strong grouped up to battle him. But to him, this was merely a meaningless struggle of the weak.
He destroyed his enemies in a flawless fashion, crushing them with ease. Slimereader
However, Testarossa had obtained the ultimate skill Belial, Lord of the Underworld. That was the spark allowing her to perfectly control this dangerously powerful ability. The synergistic effect was beyond imagination, granting Testarossa an absolute advantage that made her enemies seem pitiful by comparison. Moss, who had reached the number-two spot in Blanc’s force at one point, was fully aware of the terrifying nature of this ability. Life cannot exist in Hell; even the soul is destroyed and turned into energy. It was a true void of nothingness, a Hell only the higher spiritual life-forms could endure…and once you got down to the depths, even those beings couldn’t survive.That was exactly the sort of realm Testarossa could summon with Nihilistic World. V22C1 OTL
Again shown multiple times by how you can summon Emptiness from Hell:
Her ultimate skill Belial, Lord of the Underworld was the one power closer to death than any other. One of its skills, called World of the Dead, gave her the power to control the hellfire known as void energy. This was how she safely harnessed Void Collapse, a skill she borrowed from Rimuru, as long as she kept it within her own capacity. Combining it with her own Nihilistic World let her rule over a world of her own—an extremely dangerous one. V22C1 OTL
Feldway trembled at the thought. It couldn’t have been possible. This void energy was a destructive force that could very well destroy the world.Neither he nor Testarossa should have been able to work it so easily. For one, it was difficult to bring up to the surface. It could be manifested through magic, but there were limits to that as well—and even if you summoned this energy, it’d be quickly neutralized if left alone, restoring the balance like nothing had ever happened.It was impossible to release an unchecked torrent of void energy large enough to destroy the world unless you could open a gate directly to the depths of Hell itself. V22C3 OTL
But there also existed a dark magic version of Disintegration, its counterpart of sorts—a fact known only to a very limited number of people. This was Nihilistic Vanish, a spell of the type Ultima and her demon cohort specialized in. A truly terrifying magic, it consumed its targets using the emptiness welling up from the underworld—and what was more, this magic worked in a wider range than Disintegration. In this case, Gadora had worked the spell so its area of influence expanded across the entire battlefield.
Pouring all his magical power into Nihilistic Vanish, he managed to turn it into Nihilistic Parade, a new and wide-area annihilation magic. Just as the caster intended, an extremely large magic circle appeared on the ground and in the sky. Then, as if connecting heaven and earth, bolts of dark electricity raced between them, releasing countless black spots in the air—the fangs of darkness, the devourer of all matter.
Gadora was releasing dark magic that manipulated emptiness itself, a forbidden skill if there ever was one. These voids, released into the world like this, did not disappear until the EP of their effects was reduced to zero. They filled the space between the magic circles, erasing all that existed inside. Any mistake in controlling this spell would result in this ultimate magic destroying the world. V20C3 OTL
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Incidentally, the existence of dark magic, the counterpart of ‘Disintegration,’ was known only to a very limited number of people.
This was the dark magic ‘Nihilistic Banish,’ which Ultima and others excelled at. It was a terrifying magic that devoured the target with the emptiness that came out of hell. Moreover, this magic’s range could be expanded. This time, Gadra had set the area of influence as the entire battlefield. He exerted all his mana into ‘Nihilistic Banish’ and completed it as ‘Nihilistic Parade,’ the magic of wide-area extermination. Just as the magician intended, an extremely large magic circle appeared on the ground and in the sky.
Then, as if connecting heaven and earth, a dark electrical discharge commenced—countless numbers of dark spots were released. They were the fangs of darkness that devoured all matter. It was the forbidden dark magic art, the manipulation of the forbidden void. The void unleashed in this world would not disappear until its negative energy was brought to zero. It filled the inside of the magic circle barrier that connected heaven and earth, causing it to disappear.
It was one of the ultimate magics that could destroy the world if wielded incorrectly. As soon as the magic was invoked, Gadra smiled widely. Slimereader
Magic invoking the voids of hell should have been known only to demonic royalty. Who would spread those spells around? Out of the seven people who came to mind, Ultima felt like the prime suspect. Or maybe Raine. Mizeri was too soberminded to do anything like that, and Guy, Diablo, and Testarossa were too sensible, so they could be ruled out. Carrera? Maybe, but Daggrull reasoned her lack of teaching ability would rule her out. V20C3 OTL
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Only the kings of demons should know about the magic that invoked the emptiness of hell. As for the perpetrator who spread it, the one who came to mind the most out of the seven was Ultima. Or Raine. Mizeri was serious, so that wouldn’t happen. With Guy, Diablo, and Testarossa, these three surprisingly had common sense, so they were excluded from the list. Carrera…was a possibility, but Dagruel judged that she should be excluded because she was not good at teaching others. In that case, Ultima or Raine were the most likely suspects. Slimereader
It had to do with the nature of magic. A spell rewrote laws by influencing magicules, and since magicules contained spirit particles, it was inevitable that Cancel Magic would be an absolute defense against them. However, unique among the dark magic family, nihilistic magic summoned the emptiness of hell, making any energy it came into contact with vanish. Thanks to that, they thought, it could even cancel out Cancel
Magic. V20C3 OTL
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Magic rewrote laws by influencing magicules, and since spiritrons were a part of magicules, it was inevitable that ‘Magic Nullification’ would be an anti-magic guard. However, among the dark magics, nihility magic in particular had the characteristic of invoking the void of hell and making any energy disappear on contact. That is why ‘Magic Nullification’ could not nullify it. This was already a certainty. Slimereader
Note: The full name of "Negative Energy" is Negative Existence Value (aka an energy that is existentially the lack of something, not just energy with negative charge, if someone ever even tried to think of it like that).
Gadora was releasing dark magic that manipulated emptiness itself, a forbidden skill if there ever was one. These voids, released into the world like this, did not disappear until the EP of their effects was reduced to zero. They filled the space between the magic circles, erasing all that existed inside. Any mistake in controlling this spell would result in this ultimate magic destroying the world. V20C3 OTL
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Then, as if connecting heaven and earth, a dark electrical discharge commenced—countless numbers of dark spots were released. They were the fangs of darkness that devoured all matter. It was the forbidden dark magic art, the manipulation of the forbidden void. The void unleashed in this world would not disappear until its negative energy was brought to zero. It filled the inside of the magic circle barrier that connected heaven and earth, causing it to disappear. Slimereader
He had been willed into life eons ago, before heaven and earth were created. It was a simple coincidence. When Veldanava the Creator built seven seraphim out of the great elemental spirit of light, that also gave birth to those associated with the shadows behind them. Those were the Devil Lords, the seven Primal Demons derived from the great elemental spirit of darkness—and he was the first, the king of the underworld, the core realm of darkness.
V16 Epilogue OTL
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He arose a long time ago, far back in the ages, before the creation of the world. His birth was a mere coincidence. Veldanava, the creator god, created the seven seraphim from the Great Spirit of Light, and the shadows were born. Those were the Seven Primordials—devil lords derived from the Great Spirit of Darkness.
He was the first of them, and he was the king who ruled the underworld, the world of darkness. Slimereader
But there also existed a dark magic version of Disintegration, its counterpart of sorts—a fact known only to a very limited number of people. This was Nihilistic Vanish, a spell of the type Ultima and her demon cohort specialized in. A truly terrifying magic, it consumed its targets using the emptiness welling up from the underworld—and what was more, this magic worked in a wider range than Disintegration. In this case, Gadora had worked the spell so its area of influence expanded across the entire battlefield.
Pouring all his magical power into Nihilistic Vanish, he managed to turn it into Nihilistic Parade, a new and wide-area annihilation magic. Just as the caster intended, an extremely large magic circle appeared on the ground and in the sky. Then, as if connecting heaven and earth, bolts of dark electricity raced between them, releasing countless black spots in the air—the fangs of darkness, the devourer of all matter.
Gadora was releasing dark magic that manipulated emptiness itself, a forbidden skill if there ever was one. These voids, released into the world like this, did not disappear until the EP of their effects was reduced to zero. They filled the space between the magic circles, erasing all that existed inside. Any mistake in controlling this spell would result in this ultimate magic destroying the world. V20C3 OTL
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Incidentally, the existence of dark magic, the counterpart of ‘Disintegration,’ was known only to a very limited number of people.
This was the dark magic ‘Nihilistic Banish,’ which Ultima and others excelled at. It was a terrifying magic that devoured the target with the emptiness that came out of hell. Moreover, this magic’s range could be expanded. This time, Gadra had set the area of influence as the entire battlefield. He exerted all his mana into ‘Nihilistic Banish’ and completed it as ‘Nihilistic Parade,’ the magic of wide-area extermination. Just as the magician intended, an extremely large magic circle appeared on the ground and in the sky.
Then, as if connecting heaven and earth, a dark electrical discharge commenced—countless numbers of dark spots were released. They were the fangs of darkness that devoured all matter. It was the forbidden dark magic art, the manipulation of the forbidden void. The void unleashed in this world would not disappear until its negative energy was brought to zero. It filled the inside of the magic circle barrier that connected heaven and earth, causing it to disappear.
It was one of the ultimate magics that could destroy the world if wielded incorrectly. As soon as the magic was invoked, Gadra smiled widely. Slimereader
It is the complete opposite of Positive Energy, or Life force, or Existential Energy:
Nihilistic magic did its work by using its negative EP to annihilate matter and existence. If so, then saturating the area with positive energy would cancel the damage, reducing it to zero. As a giant, Daggrull was an enormous mass of magicules. Even Nihilistic Parade, which contained Gadora’s full power, would be no match for him. OTL V20C3
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The attack characteristic of nihility magic was the annihilation of existence through negative energy. If that was the case, it meant that the damage could be forced to zero if the positive energy became saturated. Dagruel was a giant that could be called a mass of energy. Even if it was a ‘Nihilistic Parade’ with all of Gadra’s energy, it was no problem for him to offset it. Slimereader
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虚無系魔法(ニヒリスティック)の攻撃特性は、負の存在値(マイナ スエネルギー)による存在の消滅にある。であれば、正のエネルギー を飽和させてしまえば、被害をゼロに出来るという事なのだ。 ダグリュールは、魔素量(エネルギー)の塊とも言える巨人なので ある。ガドラの全力が込められた〝絶牙虚無飽喰(ニヒリスティック パレード)〟であろうが、相殺するなど造作もない事なのだった。
When she built a Nihilistic World, if the area was filled with “positive” life force, it would interact with the “negative” void energy manifested by Nihilistic World, making them cancel each other out and disappear. If this skill was expanded over a wide enough area, that would mean a mass slaughter of all life-forms inside.
All that being said, using Nihilistic World effectively in battles against powerful foes was challenging. As mentioned earlier, the void energy was automatically canceled out by the life force of living things, so unless Testarossa cleared the land of creatures a little bit in advance, the size of the resulting world would be heavily stunted. If she wanted to point this skill at a powerful foe, she needed to keep unnecessary people or creatures from falling under its thrall, or else it’d be weakened beyond any usefulness. Between that and the way Nihilistic World didn’t discern between friend and foe, there were actually very few situations where it was helpful at all. It was extremely powerful, but mostly impractical—and even Testarossa, with all her intelligence, hadn’t figured out how to best use this power. V22C1 OTL
Nature & Aspects (Baseline)
Well, after showing that it's a Void, it's time to set what type of aspects and nature it gets. For starters, the default is Nature Type 1 (Baseline) for Hell, as a "World of Nothingness:
However, Testarossa had obtained the ultimate skill Belial, Lord of the Underworld. That was the spark allowing her to perfectly control this dangerously powerful ability. The synergistic effect was beyond imagination, granting Testarossa an absolute advantage that made her enemies seem pitiful by comparison. Moss, who had reached the number-two spot in Blanc’s force at one point, was fully aware of the terrifying nature of this ability. Life cannot exist in Hell; even the soul is destroyed and turned into energy. It was a true void of nothingness, a Hell only the higher spiritual life-forms could endure…and once you got down to the depths, even those beings couldn’t survive.That was exactly the sort of realm Testarossa could summon with Nihilistic World. V22C1 OTL
This is for Baseline Hell. It will be explained later how Depth of hell is Nature Type 2
Aspects Aspect 1 & 2; Soul (And Concept)
Hell is called a "Spiritual World", but there are also other Spiritual Worlds:
The demon trampled across the dark realm like a savage beast. Beyond the Gates of Hell lay a spirit realm one could call the land of the dead, or even hell itself, and there he was annihilating demons, like a living manifestation of violence. The powerless ran screaming, the more powerful banding together to defend themselves, but to that demon, it was just helpless struggling. All foes fell to his might, and his rampage continued. V11C2 OTL
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That demon crossed the border like a strong gust of wind, devastating this evil realm. Crossing the ‘Gate of Hell,’ he arrived at a spiritual world—which could be called Hell, or the nether realm. He became the symbol of violence, slaughtering powerful demons along the way.
The weaker demons had already fled, while the strong grouped up to battle him. But to him, this was merely a meaningless struggle of the weak.
He destroyed his enemies in a flawless fashion, crushing them with ease. Slimereader
However, Testarossa had obtained the ultimate skill Belial, Lord of the Underworld. That was the spark allowing her to perfectly control this dangerously powerful ability. The synergistic effect was beyond imagination, granting Testarossa an absolute advantage that made her enemies seem pitiful by comparison. Moss, who had reached the number-two spot in Blanc’s force at one point, was fully aware of the terrifying nature of this ability. Life cannot exist in Hell; even the soul is destroyed and turned into energy. It was a true void of nothingness, a Hell only the higher spiritual life-forms could endure…and once you got down to the depths, even those beings couldn’t survive.That was exactly the sort of realm Testarossa could summon with Nihilistic World. V22C1 OTL
Yet Hell in particular is a World of Nothingness. Additionally, here, the Soul is converted into Nothingness energy (aka Negative Existence value). And we aren't just talking about the "layer" of the Soul (aka excluding the heart core) either, we're talking about the entirety of it, as shown in the later sections:
Thing is, "Souls" are also the conceptual aspect of beings. So it adds aspect type 2 as well. Another easier way to show it is how the Soul is composed of Spiritons:
Report. Plants have a consciousness as well. A consciousness has its
roots in the soul, a collection of the spiritual particles that form magicules.
Its presence, or lack thereof, is thought to be the difference. V9C2 OTL
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«Answer. Plants have wills as well, it stems from its “Soul.” Speculation is that the difference has to do with the spiritron that makes up for magicule, i.e. the presence of “Soul” or not.» Slimereader
So is the data written directly onto this energy? Not exactly. First, there’s the ego, a set of amorphous wavelengths within the soul, and the group of data particles that surrounds it. This is known as the heart, and that’s where all the data is stored. The crystallized energy that covers this heart is what we call the soul. V13 Epilogue OTL
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If that was the case, was it possible to directly imbue information to energy—Well, that was unlikely.
First of all, there would be plenty of “selfs” that existed on different wavelengths, and the combined entity of Information Particles would encapsulate them—thus forming a core that included all of the information.
The crystallization of the energy that encapsulated one’s core would be their “soul.” Slimereader
In the laws of magic, just like the laws of physics, there was the concept of going “high to low.” Basically, if the air was filled with energy, I figured that would help prevent the energy covering all those souls from dissipating. If they lost this protection, the souls could go right through the barrier and be vaporized. A soul is a pure, unadulterated collection of energy; there is nothing to fence it in. And with the astral bodies of monsters made of magicules, if we could keep this energy from dissipating, I figured that would pen up the souls well enough. That was the Great Sage’s take on things, and all I could do was count on that. (Humans, by the way, could pass through the barrier without resistance, since they had relatively few magicules inside their bodies. It was totally different from monsters, who were much more directly affected by that energy.) OTL V5C4
Which also happen to be something that <Magic Nullify> can erase/nullify:
“Of course, your breath won’t work, either. Cancel Magic works by interfering with the spirit particles that make up magicules.” OTL V20C3
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“Of course, your breath will not work either. This is because the principle of ‘Magic Nullification’ involves interfering with the spiritrons themselves, which make up magicules.” Slimereader
“Ha-ha-ha-ha-ha! You noticed that, huh? Our Cancel Magic is
an absolute defense against all magic. It blocks the movement
of spirit particles itself, so no matter what kind of magic it is, it
won’t work!” V20C3 OTL
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“Hahahahaha!! So you noticed. Our ‘Magic Nullification’ is an anti-magic guard. Because it blocks the movement of spiritrons, no matter what kind of magic is used, it won’t work!” Slimereader
It had to do with the nature of magic. A spell rewrote laws by influencing magicules, and since magicules contained spirit particles, it was inevitable that Cancel Magic would be an absolute defense against them. However, unique among the dark magic family, nihilistic magic summoned the emptiness of hell, making any energy it came into contact with vanish. Thanks to that, they thought, it could even cancel out Cancel
Magic. V20C3 OTL
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Magic rewrote laws by influencing magicules, and since spiritrons were a part of magicules, it was inevitable that ‘Magic Nullification’ would be an anti-magic guard. However, among the dark magics, nihility magic in particular had the characteristic of invoking the void of hell and making any energy disappear on contact. That is why ‘Magic Nullification’ could not nullify it. This was already a certainty. Slimereader
Aspect 3; Mind
Well, you see, before the Soul comes the layers covering it, and that includes the Spiritual Body, which is the Mind:
A soul is a consciousness, by definition, but that alone didn’t provide the
consciousness any way to express itself. It still needed an astral body to operate upon and begin the thought process—but that wasn’t enough, either, since any thoughts produced would just dissipate into the wind. That’s where the spiritual body came in, to record and keep those thoughts captive. Even that was still a virtual memory, though, not any kind of permanent storage—and so we come to the material body. V5C3 OTL
Otherwise simply isn't possible other than for someone like Veldanava. So, that means the World of Nothingness would have to convert this aspect into Nothingness as well before it, well, destroys the Soul.
So basically. Hell (baseline) also does have information. Why? Cuz Rain, Mizari and Guy were fighting in Hell before the creation of the world, and Guy destroyed their heart core. That means they had heart cores even in hell:
I’ve known Sir Guy for a long time. Looking back, I knew him even before the creation of the world. How long ago was that, you ask? How the hell should I know, huh? Do you remember the exact time of day you were born? You don’t, do you? It’s that sort of thing. I’ll be ignoring stupid questions from now on, thank you.
Regardless, having been derived from the great spirit of darkness, I was invincible. Or I thought I was. I was a little full of myself, I won’t deny that. Consequently, I committed a grave mistake. I joined hands with one of my sisters, a person I had an affinity for, and I attempted to stage a surprise attack on one of our other siblings, someone stronger than us. Looking back, I was such an idiot. He was incredibly strong. I thought fighting him two-on-one would make for an easy victory, but we lost big-time.
The person who beat us was the demon lord Guy Crimson, known at the time as Rouge. And while I’m at it, the sister who fought him with me was Vert, now known as Mizeri. We’re very good friends. My work is Mizeri’s to do, and her salary is mine to receive, after all. We’re still coworkers today.
“Raine! Quit goofing off and get the cleaning done.”
Tch. I just introduced her, and already she’s tearing into me. Stupid loudmouth.
“What did you say?” she asked.
“Nothing, nothing.”
“No? I hope not.”
Close one there. Mizeri’s got a real sharp mind like that. She always notices whenever I take a break, and it’s painfully difficult to pull the wool over her eyes. I’ll get back to cleaning—just for a bit, anyway, so she won’t get mad at me again. Regardless—right, right, I was in the middle of my introductions. So Mizeri and I lost to Sir Guy, but that unveiled a certain fact to us.
If you can break a demon’s “core,” they’ll be eradicated for good. However! If you’re a talented Primal like all of us are, you can resurrect yourself no matter what happens to you!!
OTL V17C4
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I’ve known Guy-sama for a long, long time, even before the creation of heaven and earth maybe? How long ago was that? Who knows? I mean, do you even remember exactly the time you were born? No? That’s it. These mundane questions are a pain in the ass, just ignore them. Back to the topic. I am invincible because I was derived from the Great Spirit of Darkness…or so I thought. I’m not going to deny I got a little carried away because of that. I made a huge mistake. I teamed up with a like-minded person and attacked whoever looked stronger than I was. Looking back now, I was such a dumbass. That one bastard was too strong. I thought I could beat him two-on-one, but he just wiped the floor with both of us. That guy who beat us was Rogue, the Red Primordial a.k.a. Demon Lord Guy Crimson-sama. By the way, it was Vert, the Green Primordial or Mizeri, who challenged Guy-sama with me. We are very good friends. My job is Mizeri’s and Mizeri’s salary is mine.
“Raine! Stop slacking and get your cleaning done!”
Tsk. I was introducing you to her but she’s being an annoying *****.
“What did you say?”
“N-no, nothing.”
“No? You better not.”
Phew, that was a close one. Mizeri is very perceptive. She always catches me slacking off and it’s difficult to pull one over on her. I’ll just keep on cleaning before she gets mad at me.
So, yeah, I still haven’t finished my introduction. Mizeri and I lost to Guy-sama, but this revealed one important fact. A demon will be extinguished when its heart core is shattered. However, we, the Primordials, can recover from any condition! Slimereader
It's just that Hell (baseline)'s information is already NEP.
However, Testarossa had obtained the ultimate skill Belial, Lord of the Underworld. That was the spark allowing her to perfectly control this dangerously powerful ability. The synergistic effect was beyond imagination, granting Testarossa an absolute advantage that made her enemies seem pitiful by comparison. Moss, who had reached the number-two spot in Blanc’s force at one point, was fully aware of the terrifying nature of this ability. Life cannot exist in Hell; even the soul is destroyed and turned into energy. It was a true void of nothingness, a Hell only the higher spiritual life-forms could endure…and once you got down to the depths, even those beings couldn’t survive.That was exactly the sort of realm Testarossa could summon with Nihilistic World. V22C1 OTL
Well, conventional souls here are converted into energy (nonexistent). But you see, Souls are already pure energy (positive energy to be precise):
So is the data written directly onto this energy? Not exactly. First, there’s the ego, a set of amorphous wavelengths within the soul, and the group of data particles that surrounds it. This is known as the heart, and that’s where all the data is stored. The crystallized energy that covers this heart is what we call the soul. V13 Epilogue OTL
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If that was the case, was it possible to directly imbue information to energy—Well, that was unlikely.
First of all, there would be plenty of “selfs” that existed on different wavelengths, and the combined entity of Information Particles would encapsulate them—thus forming a core that included all of the information.
The crystallization of the energy that encapsulated one’s core would be their “soul.” Slimereader
So it's like Abyss converts existent souls to nonexistent souls. And for demons that already exist there accustomed to it, they'd already be in the latter form. So "information" is written on both existent energy and nonexistent energy.
Information Particles are these:
They are present in all things that exist in the world, inside every type of substance/particle:
These data particles were even smaller than spiritual particles, she explained, their mass about as close to zero as you could get, and they were found in everything that existed in the world. It was possible to observe data particles, although it was limited to spaces like inside my Stomach and Chronoa’s Unlimited Imprisonment. They were the units Raphael apparently worked with when organizing my skill sets. V11C5 OTL
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An ‘information particle’ was a substance smaller than even ‘spiritrons,’ and was close to having no mass at all. All matter in the world had to contain ‘information particles.’
Even though they only existed in my ‘Stomach’ and Chronoa’s ‘Infinite Prison,’ these ‘information particles’ could be observed. Raphael seemed to have the ability to manipulate information particles to either combine or abolish Skills.
Now with the access granted by the owner of the ‘Infinite Prison,’ Raphael obtained the freedom to exercise its authority over it. Slimereader
So is the data written directly onto this energy? Not exactly. First, there’s the ego, a set of amorphous wavelengths within the soul, and the group of data particles that surrounds it. This is known as the heart, and that’s where all the data is stored. The crystallized energy that covers this heart is what we call the soul. V13 Epilogue OTL
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If that was the case, was it possible to directly imbue information to energy—Well, that was unlikely.
First of all, there would be plenty of “selfs” that existed on different wavelengths, and the combined entity of Information Particles would encapsulate them—thus forming a core that included all of the information.
The crystallization of the energy that encapsulated one’s core would be their “soul.” Slimereader
They exist at the very core of creation, or alternatively translated, are the foundation of the World:
Neither light nor sound could travel at all. If you wanted to perceive things around you, the only way was through the unique particles around you, ones at the very core of creation—even smaller than photons or spiritual particles. These were the “data particles” Ultima mentioned, and Luminus could understand that well enough. V21C1 OTL
For baseline, the nothingness of Hell also devours Space-Time itself:
Feldway trembled at the thought. It couldn’t have been possible. This void energy was a destructive force that could very well destroy the world. Neither he nor Testarossa should have been able to work it so easily. For one, it was difficult to bring up to the surface. It could be manifested through magic, but there were limits to that as well—and even if you summoned this energy, it’d be quickly neutralized if left alone, restoring the balance like nothing had ever happened. It was impossible to release an unchecked torrent of void energy large enough to destroy the world unless you could open a gate directly to the depths of Hell itself. V22C3 OTL
But there also existed a dark magic version of Disintegration, its counterpart of sorts—a fact known only to a very limited number of people. This was Nihilistic Vanish, a spell of the type Ultima and her demon cohort specialized in. A truly terrifying magic, it consumed its targets using the emptiness welling up from the underworld—and what was more, this magic worked in a wider range than Disintegration. In this case, Gadora had worked the spell so its area of influence expanded across the entire battlefield.
Pouring all his magical power into Nihilistic Vanish, he managed to turn it into Nihilistic Parade, a new and wide-area annihilation magic. Just as the caster intended, an extremely large magic circle appeared on the ground and in the sky. Then, as if connecting heaven and earth, bolts of dark electricity raced between them, releasing countless black spots in the air—the fangs of darkness, the devourer of all matter.
Gadora was releasing dark magic that manipulated emptiness itself, a forbidden skill if there ever was one. These voids, released into the world like this, did not disappear until the EP of their effects was reduced to zero. They filled the space between the magic circles, erasing all that existed inside. Any mistake in controlling this spell would result in this ultimate magic destroying the world. V20C3 OTL
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Incidentally, the existence of dark magic, the counterpart of ‘Disintegration,’ was known only to a very limited number of people.
This was the dark magic ‘Nihilistic Banish,’ which Ultima and others excelled at. It was a terrifying magic that devoured the target with the emptiness that came out of hell. Moreover, this magic’s range could be expanded. This time, Gadra had set the area of influence as the entire battlefield. He exerted all his mana into ‘Nihilistic Banish’ and completed it as ‘Nihilistic Parade,’ the magic of wide-area extermination. Just as the magician intended, an extremely large magic circle appeared on the ground and in the sky.
Then, as if connecting heaven and earth, a dark electrical discharge commenced—countless numbers of dark spots were released. They were the fangs of darkness that devoured all matter. It was the forbidden dark magic art, the manipulation of the forbidden void. The void unleashed in this world would not disappear until its negative energy was brought to zero. It filled the inside of the magic circle barrier that connected heaven and earth, causing it to disappear.
It was one of the ultimate magics that could destroy the world if wielded incorrectly. As soon as the magic was invoked, Gadra smiled widely. Slimereader
“Like, I’ve been watching for a while, but… You saw that multicolored sphere that expanded and disappeared a bit ago, right? I think that was probably a different world or a different universe.”
“A universe?” said Laplace.
“Or a single world…,” Mai added.
“Right, and time was flowing inside that sphere. I think the fallout from that disappearance makes time flow a bit in the surrounding area, too, not that we can observe it at all…” V22C3 OTL
Anyways, moving on; Hell is essentially a World of Darkness, or THE World of Darkness, with "Darkness" being an actual Attribute, which is Laws & Principles/Logic of the world: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Tensura_Cosmology_Page_(Light_Novel)#Attributes
So something like following a Law that is nonexistent. Same thing as nonexistent concepts or following the concept of nothingness in analogy. This by the way can also be used for Aspect 2 (Concepts) since those Laws/Attributes are accepted as Type 1 Concepts
Laws exist behind cause and effect:
“Still, I can perform research into it. And what I found was that in this world, magic is the power to interfere with the laws of nature. There’s a mysterious set of laws to this world—people call them the World Language—and when you earn a new power, or the value of your life rises in some way, like when you evolve, then that’s how nature tells you about it. Magic runs under the same rules as this World Language; when you cast the spell, it turns that nonphysical phenomenon into real life. And if you look at it the other way…”
Yuuki paused. I tried to guess where this was going. Look at it the other way…
“Everything has a cause and an effect, and if you figure out the laws behind all that, you might even be able to find a way home…is what you’re saying?” V4C5 OTL
Aspect 5; Life and Death
Information Particles(information on them) also govern Life and Death:
Whether it belongs to a human being or a monster, all souls have a set qualityband quantity. It is composed of matter known as data particles, and throughbmanaging and applying certain forces to them, it’s possible to control life and death to some extent.
V13 Epilogue OTL
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This applied not only to humans, but monsters, whose souls could be quantified. It was a matter of the pieces called the “Information Particle.” As long as one could control this, they may in a sense control life and death.
Slimereader
Depths of Hell
Also called the Abyss of Hell. Basically Hell has a thing called "Depth". Beings that can exist in the regular Hell (world of nothingness), which would be, of course, its residences (Demons), cannot exist in the depths of hell.
However, Testarossa had obtained the ultimate skill Belial, Lord of the Underworld. That was the spark allowing her to perfectly control this dangerously powerful ability. The synergistic effect was beyond imagination, granting Testarossa an absolute advantage that made her enemies seem pitiful by comparison. Moss, who had reached the number-two spot in Blanc’s force at one point, was fully aware of the terrifying nature of this ability. Life cannot exist in Hell; even the soul is destroyed and turned into energy. It was a true void of nothingness, a Hell only the higher spiritual life-forms could endure…and once you got down to the depths, even those beings couldn’t survive.That was exactly the sort of realm Testarossa could summon with Nihilistic World. V22C1 OTL
Oh, also, Demons are indeed accustomed to the Underworld:
Eternal Return had the terrifying effect of trapping all beings within its range in a sort of pseudo-Hell, continually showing them endless nightmares until the world was destroyed. Those trapped in it had to face the world’s end without any hope of escape, and the cries of agony and rage they emitted only fueled the growth of Angra Mainyu.nThere was no fleeing this curse, and even the Primals who’d grown accustomed to Hell would be doomed to repeat the nightmare of being destroyed and reborn an infinite number of times. V22C1 OTL
(Well it's natural since they literally live there)
Before anyone asks; Hey, don't demons have souls too? Well yes, but the structure and composition of each world varies, and that difference would extends to the Soul as well:
If all these familiar-sounding pieces of trivia belonged to the same timeline, it’d be easy to conclude that these nations and people were indeed the same as those Velgrynd knew. But it was also common to see differing worlds that bore startling resemblances to each other. Their origins and rules of nature were clearly divergent enough that one couldn’t call them parallel worlds, but for some reason, they’d share all these suspiciously similar names. OTL V17C2
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If they were in the same world, she could be sure that they were the same nation and the same person, but there are also similar worlds in other dimensions. Since there are clear differences in the origins and laws of the world, it is concluded that it is not a parallel world, but for some reason the names are similar. Slimereader
Each world has different Laws, so taking the Demon World has having different laws regarding the Soul is not hard.
Guy, the first demon born in hell, the oldest of the primal demons, is called the Personification/Embodiment of Darkness (Nothingness):
He had been willed into life eons ago, before heaven and earth were created. It was a simple coincidence. When Veldanava the Creator built seven seraphim out of the great elemental spirit of light, that also gave birth to those associated with the shadows behind them. Those were the Devil Lords, the seven Primal Demons derived from the great elemental spirit of darkness—and he was the first, the king of the underworld, the core realm of darkness.
He was an absolute ruler, darkness personified, from the moment he was born, an arrogant king who forced all other demons to do his bidding. His brothers and sisters, to him, were no different from the many other clans that existed. They fought for supremacy, jostled one another for position; two of the Primals even joined hands to challenge him. But he made them all bend to his will without experiencing a moment of pain. V16 Epilogue OTL
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He arose a long time ago, far back in the ages, before the creation of the world. His birth was a mere coincidence. Veldanava, the creator god, created the seven seraphim from the Great Spirit of Light, and the shadows were born. Those were the Seven Primordials—devil lords derived from the Great Spirit of Darkness.
He was the first of them, and he was the king who ruled the underworld, the world of darkness. Since his birth, his power had been absolute, the embodiment of darkness. An arrogant king who could control the demons at will. From his perspective, even his seven separate brothers and sisters of darkness were no more than like those of his many family members (dependents). Slimereader
Anyways, thing is, Abyss/Depth is INFINITELY deep/bottomless:
Incidentally, Ultima’s specialty, the dark magic Nihilistic Vanish, was a spell that mimicked this “depths of Hell” mechanism. This, however, was the real thing, no mere imitation. It didn’t just work across a wider area; it could turn a whole region of the planet into a hellscape, making it easy to understand how dangerous this spell was. In the event (likely or not) Testarossa failed to control it, the void energy would flow out endlessly, and the world would be swallowed up by the ever-expanding abyss and collapse upon itself. V22C1 OTL
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ゼラヌスに向けたのと同じ、底なしの闇がヴェガを包み込もうとしていた。それは、深しん淵えんより来きたる〝虚無〟の力だ。ディアブロもゼギオン同様──いや、それ以上に、自由自在に〝扉〟を開けられるようになっていたのだった。故に、数字などでは測れないのである。
The same bottomless darkness that had descended upon Zeranus a moment earlier—the power of the void, straight from the abyss—was about to envelop Vega next. It was just like how Zegion was able to open the “door” at will; if anything, Diablo was better at it than him. There was no longer any measuring him by numbers. V21C4 OTL
We already know that Hell (baseline) has nonexistent information.
On the other hand, the Void of the Abyss erases information itself:
The thing void energy fed on was data particles—to be more precise, it erased the information written in these particles. No command has any meaning at all if it cannot be communicated. Even if all the requisite information is synchronized instantly between giver and receiver across time and space, if the “data particles” the information is written into are interfered with… V22C1 OTL
Well, to be specific, this "Void Energy" is talking about the void summoned by other characters. And well, they never summoned anything from Hell, they always summoned the Void directly from the Abyss. (I can't really show they didn't summon the baseline Hell cuz, well, they never did, there's nothing to showcase)
Incidentally, Ultima’s specialty, the dark magic Nihilistic Vanish, was a spell that mimicked this “depths of Hell” mechanism. This, however, was the real thing, no mere imitation. It didn’t just work across a wider area; it could turn a whole region of the planet into a hellscape, making it easy to understand how dangerous this spell was. In the event (likely or not) Testarossa failed to control it, the void energy would flow out endlessly, and the world would be swallowed up by the ever-expanding abyss and collapse upon itself. V22C1 OTL
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ゼラヌスに向けたのと同じ、底なしの闇がヴェガを包み込もうとしていた。それは、深しん淵えんより来きたる〝虚無〟の力だ。ディアブロもゼギオン同様──いや、それ以上に、自由自在に〝扉〟を開けられるようになっていたのだった。故に、数字などでは測れないのである。
The same bottomless darkness that had descended upon Zeranus a moment earlier—the power of the void, straight from the abyss—was about to envelop Vega next. It was just like how Zegion was able to open the “door” at will; if anything, Diablo was better at it than him. There was no longer any measuring him by numbers. V21C4 OTL
So I think we can assume "Voids" here talk about Voids from the Abyss" cuz they never actually summoned the Voids from baseline Hell.
Thus:
Hell: Nonexistent Information
Cardinal World: Existent Information
Depths of Hell: Erases information itself, both existent and nonexistent
Thus, depth of Hell is fundamentally different in its nonexistent nature, thus qualifying for NEP2.
TL;DR
A wording like this would do for the section:
Introduction
Hell, also known as the Underworld, or the World of Darkness, is a realm of true nothingness where even the Soul is converted into pure energy of the Void, also called Minus Existence Value (Negative Energy).
Properties of Void
Soul & Concept: It breaks the Soul and converts it into Nothingness, with Soul being one's conceptual self. It cannot be resisted even by something that erases Spiritons themselves. Mind: To do the above, it would have to pass through/destroy the Spiritual Body, one of the layers coverning the "Soul", also known as the Virtual Memory. Information: Voids devour Information Particles, or precisely the Information written on them, erasing said information and thus making it so that nothing is transferred. Space-Time: Information Particles are already BDE1 so it should have BDE1 interaction (aka lack of space-time). In general, the Void of Hell also devours Space-Time itself. Laws: It embodies the Law/Attribute of Darkness, which is Nothingness. Causality: Causality does not circulate in the Spiritual Realm.
Depths of Hell
Hell has a concept called "Depth", where the "Deeper" regions of Hell are harder to exist in. For example, Demons or similar Spiritual Life, who can exist at the surface of Hell, cannot go to the depths without being erased completely. This makes the Layers proportional to its Depth, which is infinite.
Therefore, it qualifies for Nonexistent Physiology (Nature Type 1, Aspect Type 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 [Space-Time, Laws, Causality]).
As for the Depths of Hell, there are two options:
I would prefer the 2nd option since the statements support actual infinity than countless. Statements of the Depths being bottomless, endless and ever-expanding into the Cardinal World.
(While disagreeing or being neutral on something, please tell us which part you disagree or are neutral with.)
Note: The majority had contentions with the Space-Time layered part so it was removed and changed to baseline (for baseline Hell).
And, for the possibly layered bit, Information Particles are accepted as BDE1 (lack of space-time already) and the Nothingness of Hell already opposes that, while also opposing conventional existence.... I'm not sure if this makes its Space-Time aspect layered or if it makes it NEP2, or whatever else, lemme know.
It won't, like you pointed out it devours the Information contained in those Particles and not the Particles themselves so unless they devour the particles themselves (couldn't find any scans about that) it won't be layered from my understanding just Info aspect.
Anyways agree with the rest because of CJunitilarian's reasoning.
It won't, like you pointed out it devours the Information contained in those Particles and not the Particles themselves so unless they devour the particles themselves (couldn't find any scans about that) it won't be layered from my understanding just Info aspect.
Anyways agree with the rest because of CJunitilarian's reasoning.
Interaction doesn't necessitate erasure, for layered they need to reduce the Info Particles into deeper non-existence, for NEP-2 the void must be a non Existence that's beyond traditional non Existence via lacking Information Particles themselves.
If
Space-time= 1
IP = 0 with respect to space-time
Then the void should be
2 i.e (¬ 0&1)
We know that the void only erases the Information not the particles themselves or atleast I didn't find any statements of such so....
Also it's more consistent that way with earlier statements suggesting that it erases space time meaning it's already 0 making it capable of interacting with IP that are also 0.
But wouldn't that apply considering that the abyss becomes increasingly dense with miasma as it deepens? Or is this "beyond" more in the sense of "transcending"? If so, I get.
Just went back to complete read (novel) and yeah pretty much disagree with layering the NEP type 2 for the space-time aspect but fully agree for it (seems OP removed it though)
whats to say the abyss has inf layers? Could it not be 2 parts one normal void 2 abyssit can still be infinite while working like this ?also shouldn't these layers not be nep2 ?
whats to say the abyss has inf layers? could it not be that its just normal void that demons are fine with and depths that they cant and thats it i it ,could be that one or both of these sections are inf why do we asume the inf size goese to depth layers? also shouldn't these layers not be nep2 ?
whats to say the abyss has inf layers? could it not be that its just normal void that demons are fine with and depths that they cant and thats it i it ,could be that one or both of these sections are inf why do we asume the inf size goese to depth layers?
If you go deeper into Hell and it becomes layered, and combine it with the Abyss being bottomless, you get infinite depth = Infinite recurrinng of layers
Layers like that would be your better at manipulating the same thing this is a different thing "less existent" it's state that's neither existence or nep 1 so nep2
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