Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

[Nonynho]

Toji's blitzing both too.

how's that so with speed equal?

Yes

what about his 8-B self vs Mechamaru?

 

[Arkenis]

how's that so with speed equal?

He just goes faster.

what about his 8-B self vs Mechamaru?

Not sure, pb should shred.

 

[Nonynho]

He just goes faster.

i really don't get what you mean,

but how about we put Jogo and Mahito against him?

 

[Arkenis]

i really don't get what you mean,

Toji can run faster. Speed equal doesn't restrict going faster.

but how about we put Jogo and Mahito against him?

Yeah that's fine, I think its still a stomp but Jogo's at least got some scaling for dodging kinda

 

[Nonynho]

Yeah that's fine, I think its still a stomp but Jogo's at least got some scaling for dodging kinda

with or without knowledge?
If this ain't a stomp without knowledge i'll be cooking soon enough ngl

 

[Arkenis]

with or without knowledge?
If this ain't a stomp without knowledge i'll be cooking soon enough ngl

For who? Cuz either way they'll all realize whose got what, it won't help Toji much since he can tank everything they have and even if they know the ssk and isoh they still have little way of dealing with them.

 

[Epiccheev]

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

A.M.A.Z.O. vs Mahoraga [0-0-0]

This is Justice League A.M.A.Z.O. and 20 Finger Sukuna's Mahoraga being used here, the fight takes place in Shinjuku and speed is equalized. A.M.A.Z.O. : Mahoraga : Incon :

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[BiggestOpp]

Not at all. Neither are fast enough, Dagon's best pressure attack is his water which Toji can run on or cut through. Mahito just gets pressed by SSK, one attack lowers his ct power and he'll question if he can kill with one touch which could just put him in a more lethal position. Toji's blitzing both too.

Mahito should be as fast as Yuta though, there’s no way he gets blitzed

 

[Arkenis]

Mahito should be as fast as Yuta though, there’s no way he gets blitzed

More or less, Toji's faster though.

 

[BiggestOpp]

More or less, Toji's faster though.

He’s not getting blitz, which is good enough.
Speed should be close enough that it doesn’t matter.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

EOS Yuji runs through Sendai. Kurourushi is his toughest fight there

Funny thing his blood should be poisonous to Kuro but obviously agenda we need to push to downplay the goat.

 

[Arkenis]

He’s not getting blitz, which is good enough.
Speed should be close enough that it doesn’t matter.

Yuji's not much faster than Nanami and Dagon kept up with him but Toji did this to Dagon. Giving Toji his real self and SSK with Isoh just makes it all the more harder for them to avoid fatal attacks against someone who will go faster on them.

 

[Arkenis]

Funny thing his blood should be poisonous to Kuro but obviously agenda we need to push to downplay the goat.

How he gonna get the blood to touch Kuro when he throws up a tsunami of roaches hmm.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

How he gonna get the blood to touch Kuro when he throws up a tsunami of roaches hmm.

Those wouldn't do any damage similar to Yuta's case finally it would come to CQC similar to how Kuro closed on Yuta. Either way he can use domain to pump the blood as sure hit?. If not just cleaves that cockroach.

Real threat here is Uro not Kuro if we are talking about Sendai.

 

[BiggestOpp]

Yuji's not much faster than Nanami and Dagon kept up with him but Toji did this to Dagon. Giving Toji his real self and SSK with Isoh just makes it all the more harder for them to avoid fatal attacks against someone who will go faster on them.

He’s just whooping Dagon’s ass. It’s not like Dagon couldn’t perceive Toji or something.
I don’t think this showcases a perceivable speed gap.
Mahito post 2 BFs should be a bit faster anyways, given a weakened Yuji post 2 black flashes is already equal to Yuta.

 

[BiggestOpp]

Those wouldn't do any damage similar to Yuta's case finally it would come to CQC similar to how Kuro closed on Yuta. Either way he can use domain to pump the blood as sure hit?. If not just cleaves that cockroach.

Real threat here is Uro not Kuro if we are talking about Sendai.

Yuta didn’t take damage from them because he figured he needed to destroy them all quickly. Yuta himself considers the roaches dangerous.

Edit: Kuro only went CQC because Yuta kept vaporizing the roaches, if he has no reason to do that against Yuji then he won’t.
If Yuji uses domain then he enters burnout and just dies.

 

[Arkenis]

He’s just whooping Dagon’s ass. It’s not like Dagon couldn’t perceive Toji or something.

Dagon couldn't react so at best its reaction blitzing and that's Toji starting off, he'll go faster especially since Jogo can prob react.

Those wouldn't do any damage similar to Yuta's case finally it would come to CQC similar to how Kuro closed on Yuta. Either way he can use domain to pump the blood as sure hit?. If not just cleaves that cockroach.

Real threat here is Uro not Kuro if we are talking about Sendai.

Okay but you said Yuji's blood is poison, how will Yuji land it with a swarm of roaches protecting Kuro. And they would do damage, they just stopped attacking Yuta. He wasn't noselling a swarm, we know they're a threat to him.

 

[BiggestOpp]

Dagon couldn't react so at best its reaction blitzing and that's Toji starting off, he'll go faster especially since Jogo can prob react.

Considering it was the start of the fight, it’s best to say Dagon was just caught off guard. He shot a Shikigami directly at Toji and Toji ripped through it, hitting him at the same time.
The second panel you sent has them running side by side comparably while Toni’s getting faster, so the difference in speed can’t be that vast.

Naobito was specifically stated to be faster/comparable to Jogo and Dagon didn’t give Toji that acknowledgment, so Jogo is definitely faster than Toji.

I still don’t think Mahito is getting blitz but I can agree with him being somewhat slower

 

[Arkenis]

Considering it was the start of the fight, it’s best to say Dagon was just caught off guard. He shot a Shikigami directly at Toji and Toji ripped through it, hitting him at the same time.

Why would he be off guard against another opponent in his domain? Still tho against Gojo, even tryna track Toji is hard.

The second panel you sent has them running side by side comparably while Toni’s getting faster, so the difference in speed can’t be that vast.

In travel speed yeah, but on land Toji wouldn't be restricted having to run on water, he'd have a better foot hold and require less power to move.

Naobito was specifically stated to be faster/comparable to Jogo and Dagon didn’t give Toji that acknowledgment, so Jogo is definitely faster than Toji.

Not everything needs to be acknowledge each time its presented.

Either way, they struggle against Toji and domains won't be useable either. It'll just be Dagon splishing splashing around and Mahito almost getting killed by SSK.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Okay but you said Yuji's blood is poison, how will Yuji land it with a swarm of roaches protecting Kuro. And they would do damage, they just stopped attacking Yuta. He wasn't noselling a swarm, we know they're a threat to him.

Those wouldn't do any damage similar to Yuta's case finally it would come to CQC similar to how Kuro closed on Yuta. Either way he can use domain to pump the blood as sure hit?. If not just cleaves that cockroach.

Real threat here is Uro not Kuro if we are talking about Sendai.

Sure hit effects should ignore that. Or Kuro in characters closed the gap since his minions not doing much damage if not none. He can spit the blood and poison Kuro by exploding it. His Cleave should make a path for him to engage in CQC with Kuro. His minions doesn't have much fire power.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Yuta didn’t take damage from them because he figured he needed to destroy them all quickly. Yuta himself considers the roaches dangerous.

Edit: Kuro only went CQC because Yuta kept vaporizing the roaches, if he has no reason to do that against Yuji then he won’t.
If Yuji uses domain then he enters burnout and just dies.

When did Burnout kills the character
Either way Kuro ain't surviving the domain.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Find it funny here people are arguing for small cockroaches swarm as Kuros wincons when Yuji can just cleave them away

 

[DragoZeroNova]

I like the taste of iron

 

[BiggestOpp]

When did Burnout kills the character
Either way Kuro ain't surviving the domain.

If he uses his Domain and enters burnout, Uro immediately comes in and ragdolls him, Ryu approaches and ragdolls him.
Now he has none of his cursed techniques, missing a lot of his cursed energy, and whenever they decide to use their domains, his only counter is simple domain.

Find it funny here people are arguing for small cockroaches swarm as Kuros wincons when Yuji can just cleave them away

Cleave can only affect the amount of roaches that his palm can grasp.
Kuro can create a giant swarm of these things.
Yuji has no choice but to pop a domain, because no amount of cleave is helping him endure that barrage.
If he loses a domain, he dies against Uro and Ryu.
If he doesn’t use a domain, Kuro kills him without even revealing himself.

The roaches are said to be a threat to Yuta

Strong enough to block strikes from Yuta’s sword

I don’t even think Yuji his domain would help him win, since Kuro only approached Yuta because he had a way to destroy his roaches on a large scale. If Yuji can’t do this then Kuro remains hidden and the domain is useless.
Yuji might actually lose to Kuro, lmao.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

If he uses his Domain and enters burnout, Uro immediately comes in and ragdolls him, Ryu approaches and ragdolls him.
Now he has none of his cursed techniques, missing a lot of his cursed energy, and whenever they decide to use their domains, his only counter is simple domain.

Yuji stamina is next to Gojo and Sukuna showcased throughout the series. I'm not buying this he would run out of Juice just because he uses his domain once. He might not have enough CE to cast two domains but definitely he ain't getting done with one domain
Also CG Yuta survived both of Ryu and Uro onslaught so Yuji ain't dying and he has better CQC skills than Yuta. So infact Ryu gets dog walked in that and a soul dismantle or cleave does puts a strain on him with injuries even if you argue he can't kill him instantly. There is also fact Ryu doesn't have resistance to poison blood which Yuji has different ways to put on Ryu when engaging in CQC without needing a domain.
Uro is the trickiest Opponent which I already mentioned. Though knowing only Thin ice breaker is the only deadly attack she has I can definitely seeing him outlasting her stamina or somehow she gets blood on her hand since we do see physical tries to hit Yuta in the beginning so another poison blood victim. But whatever

Cleave can only affect the amount of roaches that his palm can grasp.
Kuro can create a giant swarm of these things.

I'm pretty sure those swarms are connected with CE so it's not just whatever his palm can hit.

Yuji has no choice but to pop a domain, because no amount of cleave is helping him endure that barrage.

He can also use Dismantle so he should be able to kill the Cockroaches at a distance and outran them.

If he loses a domain, he dies against Uro and Ryu.

He wouldn't his stamina and endurance surpasses whatever Ryu and Uro has fought and he has good kit to put them down

If he doesn’t use a domain, Kuro kills him without even revealing himself.

Kuro can't

The roaches are said to be a threat to Yuta

Yuta's Blood isn't poisonous to Kuro while here Yuji's bLood is.incase they Pierces his reinforcements and starts his blood getting on them it would starts poisoning them.

Strongenough to block strikes from Yuta’s sword

They were Combined in a single place?

I don’t even think Yuji his domain would help him win, since Kuro only approached Yuta because he had a way to destroy his roaches on a large scale. If Yuji can’t do this then Kuro remains hidden and the domain is useless.
Yuji might actually lose to Kuro, lmao.

Yuji domain is pretty Big. It would cover large distance. If we don't take anime I'm confident Kuro would be within the range controlling he cockroaches will get struck in the domain sure hit.

 

[BiggestOpp]

Yuji stamina is next to Gojo and Sukuna showcased throughout the series. I'm not buying this he would run out of Juice just because he uses his domain once. He might not have enough CE to cast two domains but definitely he ain't getting done with one domain

Stamina or cursed energy amount?
I think the word you’re looking for is endurance. Yuji doesn’t have efficiency like Gojo or Sukuna, nor does he have a large CE pool. If he uses a domain, he loses a large amount of CE and has no other chance to launch another one.
I’m not saying after one domain he’s out of the fight due to a lack of energy, but after a domain he’s lost a huge chunk of it which definitely changes the pace of the later fights. He’s that much closer to gassing out.

Also CG Yuta survived both of Ryu and Uro onslaught so Yuji ain't dying and he has better CQC skills than Yuta. So infact Ryu gets dog walked in that and a soul dismantle or cleave does puts a strain on him with injuries even if you argue he can't kill him instantly. There is also fact Ryu doesn't have resistance to poison blood which Yuji has different ways to put on Ryu when engaging in CQC without needing a domain.

Yuta also had to constantly use RCT, which eventually lead to him running out of CE.
Yuji is technically more efficient with RCT, but RCT is RCT, he’s just using more and more energy trying to endure that initial onslaught.

Past the original onslaught, Yuji is on ct burnout so there’s no “cleaving” or “dismantling” Ryu. At that point he just gets overpowered by Ryu in CQC. I do think Yuji is physically superior to Yuta but still far weaker than Ryu.
Yuji is not doing this to Yuta.
Yuji cannot use convergence, so the only time he can get blood into Ryu’s system is via is own wounds.
This implies 2 things, Yuji isn’t using RCT to intentionally get damaged enough to produce enough blood to use against Ryu or Ryu is damaging Yuji that much with his attacks.
Neither works for Yuji.
I also don’t think Yuji would have the opportunity to get blood into Ryu’s system, because almost every attack from Ryu is capable of launching Yuji several meters away.

Uro is the trickiest Opponent which I already mentioned. Though knowing only Thin ice breaker is the only deadly attack she has I can definitely seeing him outlasting her stamina or somehow she gets blood on her hand since we do see physical tries to hit Yuta in the beginning so another poison blood victim. But whatever

You do know the poison has to enter their internal body right? Touching the blood isn’t going to kill them, the problem comes from their body rejecting the cursed blood.
Uro throwing punches isn’t a way to Yuji to get blood into her system. Uro lays it down on Yuji, while Ryu attacks from distance with Granite blasts.

I'm pretty sure those swarms are connected with CE so it's not just whatever his palm can hit.

….? What are you tryna say?

He can also use Dismantle so he should be able to kill the Cockroaches at a distance and outran them.

We know nothing of his Dismantle blud

He wouldn't his stamina and endurance surpasses whatever Ryu and Uro has fought and he has good kit to put them down

Stamina and endurance can only take you so far.

Kuro can't

It’s roaches can

Yuta's Blood isn't poisonous to Kuro while here Yuji's bLood is.incase they Pierces his reinforcements and starts his blood getting on them it would starts poisoning them.

The “poising” against cursed spirits you’re mentioning is just a mild burn. Ts just slowly slows them down as more and more come to replace the ones that die off.

They were Combined in a single place?

It’s roaches, there’s only so many Kuro can combine in a single place .

Yuji domain is pretty Big. It would cover large distance. If we don't take anime I'm confident Kuro would be within the range controlling he cockroaches will get struck in the domain sure hit.

The initial barrage of roaches that came towards Yuta was sent from a large path down the road. The roaches were following them well before anyone could even hear it approaching the area. Kuro, even in the manga, was very far away from the area it fought Yuta in.
Also, why would Yuji open a domain against an opponent he isn’t sure of the location of?
What about the civilians that were actively running from the scene of the roaches? He just gon let them get caught in the domain too?

 

[AthelChan]

 

[Epiccheev]

My favorite part in JJK was when Yuji sacrificed his ability to use cursed energy in order to open the gate of cursed energy and met the absolute god of jjk verse, the one responsible for binding vows and creator of cursed techniques, then exchanged 300 years of lifespan to bring back「Gojo's true manifestation」 - 「Earth Guardian」who defeated both [Monarch of Hatred] Sukuna and <Divine adaptation> "beyond perfect" King Mahoraga in one blow, just as predicted by Nostradamus prophecy.

 

[Electronic74947]

My favorite part in JJK was when Yuji sacrificed his ability to use cursed energy in order to open the gate of cursed energy and met the absolute god of jjk verse, the one responsible for binding vows and creator of cursed techniques, then exchanged 300 years of lifespan to bring back「Gojo's true manifestation」 - 「Earth Guardian」who defeated both [Monarch of Hatred] Sukuna and <Divine adaptation> "beyond perfect" King Mahoraga in one blow, just as predicted by Nostradamus prophecy.

Larping the reference rq.

 

[Mommyleona]

My favorite part in JJK was when Yuji sacrificed his ability to use cursed energy in order to open the gate of cursed energy and met the absolute god of jjk verse, the one responsible for binding vows and creator of cursed techniques, then exchanged 300 years of lifespan to bring back「Gojo's true manifestation」 - 「Earth Guardian」who defeated both [Monarch of Hatred] Sukuna and <Divine adaptation> "beyond perfect" King Mahoraga in one blow, just as predicted by Nostradamus prophecy.

 

[Arkenis]

How wuxia and xianxia characters be.

 

[Arkenis]

 

[AthelChan]

 

[Electronic74947]

anyone mind calcing the manga uzumaki?

 

[BiggestOpp]

anyone mind calcing the manga uzumaki?

Inunaki feat is better

 

[Arkenis]

anyone mind calcing the manga uzumaki?

Already was like three times iirc

 

[MochOath]

i could eat

Eijiro Kirishima (Red Riot) vs Ryu Ishigori [0-0-0]

a manly hunger Red Riot (Joint Training Arc) Attack Potency: 237.32 Tons, 711.97 Tons with Hardening, 575.26 Kilotons with Red Riot Unbreakable Durability: 237.32 Tons, 575.26 Kilotons with Hardening, far higher with Red Riot Unbreakable Lifting Strength: 100 Metric Tons, higher with...

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[Bananossauro]

Hey fellas, does anyone know where to find the Q&As from Greg that states that Kenjaku/Gojo have the best non CE hand to hand/ strongest non CE grip strengh outside of Toji/Maki?
(Might be misremembering but its something like that)

 

[AthelChan]