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Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1
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Question.
Has a consensus about the Anime Up-Scaled Feats been come to?
Like are we gonna just ignore them and stick with the Manga, Are we instead gonna use them exclusively? Or are we gonna make
Anime specific Profiles, Personally i think thats what we SHOULD do but i do remember hearing that the standards for that kinda make it impossible.
Has a consensus about the Anime Up-Scaled Feats been come to?
Like are we gonna just ignore them and stick with the Manga, Are we instead gonna use them exclusively? Or are we gonna make
Anime specific Profiles, Personally i think thats what we SHOULD do but i do remember hearing that the standards for that kinda make it impossible.
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Then what have you hooligans been up to since Season 3 ended?!
I know that Large Mountain Dabura thread is still dead what else is there to fucus on?
Rodriiogo
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Anime feats won't matter unless anime profiles happen because of the new canonicity standards. (This new standards been accepted for like 3 months but somehow other verses haven't even started applying it lol, most adaptation/anime feats stuff should be deleted off the site's scaling by now)
There's not really much need to focus on the anime, specially when the manga profiles and scaling is mostly chopped and awful right now.
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JJK fans are dead.... i killed them...
XSOULOFCINDERX
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So was that High 7-A thread actually on track to be approved before it died or was it mostly rejected?
Rodriiogo
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It's actually Island level (6-C) now. Issue is that you have the OMEGA larpers trying to imply Dabura and Modulo Yuji are actually millions of times stronger than Gojo and Sukuna so it might only apply to them two (Dabura and Yuji) and no one else if the mods somehow agree with that nonsense larp.
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feat - approved
scaling - rejected
XSOULOFCINDERX
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So no one but Dabura and Mahoraga (After adapting) scale to the Lightspeed Kick?
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Only Dabura.
Rodriiogo
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It's gonna be a headcanon second key for Dabura because of those people actually since they think he grew millions of times physically stronger over his "Base form". No one scales to the kick, he will scale to withstanding the acceleration before the kick.
XSOULOFCINDERX
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Why wouldn't Mahoraga scale to it after adapting? Isn't that kind of the whole point? He can close stat gaps since thats the easiest adaptation he can do.
Anonymous_Learner
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Sukuna being 3 yuji finger (generious) level shall be real but what cost?
Qurbonboev
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It's so damn good seeing my Dabura agenda pay off.
Still remember days where most people would slander him, and I was hopelessly trying to instill some common sense into them. "Gege isn't bad writer, he wouldn't call Dabura Sukuna level threat if he wasn't going to show him as such". Truly, agendaposting rotted brains of people. Previous shonen fandoms would instinctively understand that Dabura is actual powerhouse, who shouldn't be underestimated.
Cursed speech incident helped tremendously, but many wouldn't yield. Mahoraga getting boned by light rods helped, but many were stubborn, siting that Sukuna cleave would have oneshot this Mahoraga(I guess, talks about Death Binding Vow were just neat details, that Gege wanted to tell).
We did have have dark age with Mahoraga adapting and whooping Dabura ass, but brightest day comes after darkest night. Dabura smashed slanderers with relativistic kick. Now, we don't need to prove that Dabura is Sukuna level. Now, it's up to others to prove that their goat is Dabura level.
As a bonus Dabura did destroy any hope of relativistic meta for anyone not named HIM. Continuing tradition of JJK speedsters capping verse instead of upgrading it.
Still remember days where most people would slander him, and I was hopelessly trying to instill some common sense into them. "Gege isn't bad writer, he wouldn't call Dabura Sukuna level threat if he wasn't going to show him as such". Truly, agendaposting rotted brains of people. Previous shonen fandoms would instinctively understand that Dabura is actual powerhouse, who shouldn't be underestimated.
Cursed speech incident helped tremendously, but many wouldn't yield. Mahoraga getting boned by light rods helped, but many were stubborn, siting that Sukuna cleave would have oneshot this Mahoraga(I guess, talks about Death Binding Vow were just neat details, that Gege wanted to tell).
We did have have dark age with Mahoraga adapting and whooping Dabura ass, but brightest day comes after darkest night. Dabura smashed slanderers with relativistic kick. Now, we don't need to prove that Dabura is Sukuna level. Now, it's up to others to prove that their goat is Dabura level.
As a bonus Dabura did destroy any hope of relativistic meta for anyone not named HIM. Continuing tradition of JJK speedsters capping verse instead of upgrading it.
We have Kurourushi thousands times stronger than disaster curses. Supporters being bad at inverse scaling is nothing unusual for this verse. Sups here seems to care only for strongest
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Some mfs want to be extremely pedantic about how anime profiles are meant to be made, when seasoned staff members agree they should be made regardless
Also, nobody has been wanting to work on the verse properly ever since it got hit by downgrade after downgrade attempt ever since Shinjuku dropped (with one of them trying to say Yuji’s FIRST travel speed feat EVER was contradictory to a non existent projection sorcery cap and it almost passing), as well as having each upgrade attempt be filled with 10+ people who are disingenious and toxic as hell about said upgrade
The last two proper upgrade attempts needed staff threads due to how toxic (and disingenious) this site was about them specifically so I dont blame people for not caring about this verse on here anymore, it’s why we’ve barely seen any progress on Modulo’s profiles here as well.
This is especially true when we’re gonna see Gojo being 8-A and supersonic soon anyway. Literal tiktok scaling has better stats than that
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Saqphire
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Gege is a terrible writer for powerscaling, otherwise he’d realise Mach 3 is too close to Mach 1 and he would’ve never made the EM waves narrative in the same narrative as Dabura capping the verse apparently, no competent writer would leave off a contradiction like that at all without even bothering to explain himself (and no, concluding the EM waves are just supersonic or that he never used EM waves at all despite being stated are extremely dishonest arguments from a writing stance, and is just cope)
Also, he didn’t call Dabura sukuna level initially, he called the Naunax a Sukuna level threat and Mino realised why after seeing Dabura cuz they rate that as people who can take down nations (which is just special grade level. also, they never spécified which Sukuna nor do they know which Sukuna since he is dead nor going all out in any archives). So no, it wasn’t actually cope at the time, mfs just can’t read like usual
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Qurbonboev
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No reason to think that these particular waves were EM waves.
It was pretty obvious from the start that the reason Aliens were called Sukuna level threat was due to Dabura.
They had archives of Sukuna vs Gojo fight
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Alas, is the state of every Anime verse on here.
You will have the biggest tug of war between the hype-fans who will argue for absolutely everything under the sun and then you'll have the Contrarians who think they've above it all and will reflexively disagree against "le popular thing"
A truly despair inducing state of affairs.
Saqphire
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Dawg I literally just explained why simply saying ”there’s no evidence of EM waves” is a dishonest argument from a writing perspective.
And no, it wasn’t obvious at all. We had people say the 50000 Simurians combined would be Sukuna level when that wasn’t even true either cuz again, the whole rating stems from their capacity to take down Japan, something that doesn’t require them to have equal stats in the first place, at least the 50K simurian interpretation agrees with that here. And I also just talked about said archives, they’re not an accurate representation of Sukuna’s power because the mf was holding back 99% of the time
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You know even if you guys can't get the highest rating, why not just update whatever's outdated? Makes no sense to not care about the pages just cuz Gojo and Sukuna don't have 6-C on page. It's not like that's the only issue. Everything below god tiers is still a mess. The Uraume calc is now just 8-A iirc, Mechamaru's feat is gone, some characters could use better scaling descriptions.
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Nobody cares about the verse because of how this site has treated this verse’s upgrades and downgrades, and if the stats that people care about the most are gonna get stonewalled like this, best believe the other ones will just have no interest either.
We know how threads are going to end up which is why they require staff threads nowadays. That’s a sure sign that this verse’s community is in the sh*tter lmao
Qurbonboev
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Ok. Ultimately my only important objection to this fest, is that people are trying to masquerade it as reaction speed feat, instead of combat speed feat.
Did Sukuna hold his punches against Gojo?
Saqphire
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The bureaucracy of the site is also a factor as to how this verse’s comm on here has died off btw, CRTs being dead in the water cuz they only progress when one of the 10 inactive staff out of thousands of members type ”I agree” once in a blue moon, and that has to happen three times even
Saqphire
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The distinction between both is completely dumb. There was a staff thread about merging both but like the others, it also died lol
I mean he did say Sukuna held back like 3 times lol
EldemadeDityjon
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Update it dude
Arkenis
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One tier isn't gained so forget any other progress? Also I've read the Dabura crt, nothing was stonewalled, if anything the mods kinda just agreed on the feat and Dabura's use, just not scaling. Say what you want, but the scaling is not clear cut. The other stuff like H7C had no pushback and since KT decided to focus on the verse a bit, stuff wasn't as concrete is all. No one's really talked about the piercing blood mach cone stuff or the earthquake threads. Those could've used feedback. But I get it, this isn't a job or school, so I understand feeling demoralized/uninterested in general if one main thing isn't gotten.
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Udlmaster
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TBH, I did have this thought that came to me when I saw the Kenjaku vs Yuki fight where Kenjaku stated that Tengen and Yuki intentionally contained the Black Hole so it wouldn't destroy the Entire Planet.
It kinda seems like scaling the Top tiers based on just raw destruction they achieve isn't accurate to their AP since the Sorcerers are trying to largely contain their damage and focus it on each other/on cursed spirits and not just destroying things arbitrarily.
Kinda like, if we say that Gojo, Sukuna, Dabura, etc. have Any arbitrarily larger amount of power, the argument "well why didn't they destroy more?" is narratively resolved by the fact that they contain it to each other, not to destroying their environment.
Even Jogo was said to have been too preoccupied with trying to take Human's positions instead of "burning it all down" and he has some of the best DC (Destructive capacity) feats in the show.
Just a thought though.
It kinda seems like scaling the Top tiers based on just raw destruction they achieve isn't accurate to their AP since the Sorcerers are trying to largely contain their damage and focus it on each other/on cursed spirits and not just destroying things arbitrarily.
Kinda like, if we say that Gojo, Sukuna, Dabura, etc. have Any arbitrarily larger amount of power, the argument "well why didn't they destroy more?" is narratively resolved by the fact that they contain it to each other, not to destroying their environment.
Even Jogo was said to have been too preoccupied with trying to take Human's positions instead of "burning it all down" and he has some of the best DC (Destructive capacity) feats in the show.
Just a thought though.
Qurbonboev
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I think Gojo was referring to facts that he didn't use everything in this disposal and could have won fight without endangering them in order to shoulder adaption burden. Not Sukuna potentially holding his punches
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Qurbonboev spitting
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I love you light please never stop being yourself
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Bro's spitting.
This is correct and we even get an answer to sukuna holding back when he gets back malevolent shrine and fuga
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W larps here by the way but I don't wanna argue here considering it's useless to argue against someone who doesn't wanna be convinced.
This is just not true. Dabura destroyed any hope of a "relativistic+ - lightspeed - ftl" meta which yea I don't think anyone will even try. I made that whole explanation to why Dabura's kick starts at rela+ and gets to lightspeed for a reason. It isn't rela.
However I will say I agree with this and you spit here, the current inverse scaling for the verse is so bad and the gap between disaster curses, grade 1s and special grades is 100% one of them. I wasn't tryna say that only the dabura headcanon merchants were the ones ruining the verse's scaling cause currently it is indeed ruined regardless lol. People indeed only care about the strongest
Qurbonboev
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Bruh, I was reading Modulo leaks from the start. (On @recordofragnarok, then migrated to @kaizenarchives due to purging of jjk section).
I still remember these times and memes with fondness.
You are trying to convince me on what? Only actually strong convictions I had on this question and still have are:
1. Dabura is Sukuna level threat, and anyone that opposed this notion was delusional (for understandable reasons, Boruto severely damaged psycho of shonenfolk) at best.
2. Mahoraga was boosted by Death Binding Vow(geniunely where else this Chekhov Gun would have been fired?)
3. Dabura Dura scales to his KE
4. At least Yuji should scale to Dabura physically(Sukuna and Gojo can scale physically, but I don't particularly care).
Ok. Make thread (preferably staff thread) to upgrade God tiers to relativistic combat speed. As I have already said, my main gripe with current ratings is that they pretend that combat speed feat is actually reaction speed feat.
Do you have any ideas on how to fix this?
As a starter:
Downscale special grade output level from CG Yuta (he isn't special in neither physicals nor output). Mahito can downscale from half of that output(can survive 1 year Mechamaru output). For example, with current ratings it would look like this:
Domain amped Yuta scales to Ryu(scales currently to Uraume feat, 382.57 kT), base should scale to 318.8 kT. This would be level of special grades, Mahito would scale to 318.8/2=159.4 kT.
It probably wouldn't matter, verse is getting back to 8-A, so gaps between tiers would disappear naturally. (Btw, what happened with this calc)
Rodriiogo
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The idea that Dabura is "above" Sukuna in scaling. Dabura's entire inverse narrative still comes from being a calamity/disaster on Sukuna's level and that never changed, the entire idea that Dabura got stronger in anything other than his immense talent for sorcery to learning techniques and abilities fast is ridiculous head-canon made by agenda pushers.
Oh trust me, I 100% agree with you here aswell, I've been saying this on the discord server with everyone and everything. Said it here aswell before I think. I think the idea of them having hypersonic combat speed with rela reactions is dumb as hell and should just be Rela R/C straight up.
I do think Disaster Curses should scale to 1/2 of special grade sorcerers baseline yes, then it just chainscales from there like how Todo should scale to 40% of Base Mahito's power.
As for the values, I still stand with the idea that the debunk on Mechamaru's feat was awful and filled with misinformation and lies on how it worked and that mods somehow agreed with 0 sense and alot of people I've talked to agree with this lol. I've been holding it right now because I want to make it with more calcs and stuff that I have prepared rather than just "put mechamaru back in and that's it"
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