Lord of the Mysteries Discussion Thread

[69Momo69]

I miss star level LOTM.

Fool can't survive a star

 

[BoastJr]

I miss star level LOTM.

How do you feel about LoTM genuinely soloing every isekai except for like other random chinamen

A Wild Last Boss could not stand up to Madness Manip Type 3

 

[LOTM_Historian]

How do you feel about LoTM genuinely soloing every isekai except for like other random chinamen

A Wild Last Boss could not stand up to Madness Manip Type 3

If only the fanbase at large didnt hard downplay lotm characters at every turn.

 

[BoastJr]

Its kinda funny how Mysticism and more esoteric / metaphysical material scales way higher then random mentions of dimension or universe busting (or some verses using quantum science or dimension theories)

Most people wouldn't understand how crazy the former is...

 

[SuperNova55555]

random mentions of dimension

Also LOTM:

This wasn't something that could be described superficially or in dimensions, as apart from quantitative terms like length, breadth, height, there was information, strength, and spirituality as measurement quantities.

 

[BoastJr]

Thread 'KLEIN MORETTI VS RYUGA(VSBW AURAFARMING LEAGUE, 1/8 FINALS)'
https://vsbattles.com/threads/klein-moretti-vs-ryuga-vsbw-aurafarming-league-1-8-finals.192154/

 

[Thehappikat]

Other than the PC and GOO upscale, would there be any changes? @SuperNova55555

 

[SuperNova55555]

Other than the PC and GOO upscale, would there be any changes? @SuperNova55555

Anything that’s currently 1-A becomes High 1-A+

 

[Thehappikat]

Anything that’s currently 1-A becomes High 1-A+

Peak anything else other than AP and stats

 

[SuperNova55555]

Peak anything else other than AP and stats

I wanna remove anything above Low-Godly regen

 

[Hecky2222]

Anything that’s currently 1-A becomes High 1-A+

Doesn't include atoms....

 

[Vinushkaaaa]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but as far as I understand, in order to counter a godhood's MM3, you need to transcend dualism or smt. Doesn't that imply that to counter MM3, you need to possess PP3? Ngl, I read the Ruphas vs Klein thread, and either I'm too dumb or my English isn't good enough to understand

 

[Hecky2222]

We traumatized powerscaling fandom with Lotm corruption

 

[StrikingMosquito245]

We traumatized powerscaling fandom with Lotm corruption

The world is not ready for LotM atoms

 

[SuperNova55555]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but as far as I understand, in order to counter a godhood's MM3, you need to transcend dualism or smt. Doesn't that imply that to counter MM3, you need to possess PP3? Ngl, I read the Ruphas vs Klein thread, and either I'm too dumb or my English isn't good enough to understand

You need to transcend the distinction between subject and object/thinker and thought. Since at the level of Symbolism, Knowledge is Being. Thus they can only be apprehended via experience and not lesser things like sensory perception.

And no, it has nothing to do with PP3.

 

[Hecky2222]

Who let @Enter_Bluey and @Ruler_Star_Kuma create alt accounts bro

 

[69Momo69]

Who let @Enter_Bluey and @Ruler_Star_Kuma create alt accounts bro

Lmao

 

[69Momo69]

I wanna remove anything above Low-Godly regen

Do we even have anything abv lgr

 

[Thehappikat]

Do we even have anything abv lgr

OC's HGR ig

 

[69Momo69]

OC's HGR ig

Fuhhhh

 

[Vinushkaaaa]

You need to transcend the distinction between subject and object/thinker and thought. Since at the level of Symbolism, Knowledge is Being. Thus they can only be apprehended via experience and not lesser things like sensory perception.

And no, it has nothing to do with PP3.

So... you mean something like the indivisibility of the mind, right? If that's the case, I think I'm starting to get it

 

[SuperNova55555]

So... you mean something like the indivisibility of the mind, right? If that's the case, I think I'm starting to get it

The issue is that Symbolism and the things they ground are not univocal, which is why Symbolism is explicitly [indescribable]. That is to say, “Calamity” and the “Symbol of Calamity” aren’t spoken of the same. Since, as said before, at the level of Symbolism, it’s knowledge and it’s existence become one (which is why Symbols are said to be “truth”, “meaning” and “primordial revelations”), so the “knowledge of Calamity” and the “existence of Calamity” are numerically identical at that level, and thus non-dual.

As such, the knowledge of Symbolism can only be attained by the existence of Symbolism, which is why there’s a “unification” or “experience” of them, as you, in a sense, “exist” as them. To attempt to comprehend them any other way—say, by discourse or sense for example—would preclude the unity of the Symbols’ Intellection and of it’s Being, causing a division between Subject (thinker) and Object (thought), and dualizing the whole process. But as seen, this would cause the Symbol to become ineffable, since this mode of apprehension can never attempt to attain it.

To go back to the earlier example, you are capable of speaking and even sensually perceiving “Calamity”, yet, as seen above, neither of those apply to the “Symbol of Calamity” which makes them not univocal in nature.

 

[Vinushkaaaa]

As such, the knowledge of Symbolism can only be attained by the existence of Symbolism, which is why there’s a “unification” or “experience” of them, as you, in a sense, “exist” as them. To attempt to comprehend them any other way—say, by discourse or sense for example—would preclude the unity of the Symbols’ Intellection and of it’s Being, causing a division between Subject (thinker) and Object (thought), and dualizing the whole process. But as seen, this would cause the Symbol to become ineffable, since this mode of apprehension can never attempt to attain it.

Okay, this shit is really traumatizing me But I get the gist of it now.
Btw, is it enough to simply have metaphysical immunity to madness to resist this, or is that insufficient due to accompanying informational, conceptual, or whatever manipulations? Or is this MM3 more like a “ha ha, I win” button, and the only way to resist it is by possessing a special undifferentiated mechanism of thought? Nonexistent Physiology should help too, tho

 

[SuperNova55555]

Btw, is it enough to simply have metaphysical immunity to madness to resist this

This is a pretty good question. I guess, strictly speaking, it just depends on what exactly “madness” entails here. If it’s a sort of delusional state posterior to having you mind shattered, then you’re probably immune. But if you’re talking about the act of the mind itself shattering without any derivative effects, then probably not.

Though, if we’re speaking about the LOM setting itself, I’d argue that immunity to madness isn’t possible at all.

Well firstly because in genuine (Neo)Platonism, which holds the same intellectual principles seen in LOM, there’s no “mind shattering” when you try to perceive Platonic Forms via sense. You just… don’t perceive them and that’s that. So it holds the ineffability but not the MM3 stuff. Meaning that part is just a mechanic of the setting itself.

And secondly, because Madness in LOM is strictly identified with the Original Creator and the underlying essence of the universe itself, rather than with any particular Great Old One/Symbol. Because in LOM, madness is caused by separation and convergence, or in other words, Chaos. So to be immune to it (in-verse speaking at least), you would literally have to be the Godhead of the verse, i.e the very essence of existence.

 

[Hecky2222]

Bro switching from LOTM to LOM slowly,

We are truly losing Nova

 

[SuperNova55555]

Bro switching from LOTM to LOM slowly,

We are truly losing Nova

Not really. I was using LOM a couple months ago too. I just occasionally alternate between the acronyms to whatever I’m feeling at the moment.

 

[Hecky2222]

Not really. I was using LOM a couple months ago too. I just occasionally alternate between the acronyms to whatever I’m feeling at the moment.

You still didn't take your words about atoms back

 

[SuperNova55555]

You still didn't take your words about atoms back

LOM has 10-C atoms

 

[Hecky2222]

LOM has 10-C atoms

kys pls

 

[SuperNova55555]

kys pls

Haha, guess who’s going to RVR now

 

[Hecky2222]

Haha, guess who’s going to RVR now

Keep cope, H1-T+ Portals neg

 

[Vesxpura]

holy wank, we lost lotms plot. verse doesnt get past pre epoch scaling

 

[SuperNova55555]

holy wank, we lost lotms plot. verse doesnt get past pre epoch scaling

What does this even mean… like, the verse was technically stronger pre-epoch anyways so I’m confused

 

[Hecky2222]

Wallahi i will pay staff to disagree FRA and throw Tensura fandom to debunk H1-A+ if Nova doesn't accept atoms supremacy

 

[Vesxpura]

the verse was technically stronger pre-epoch anyways so I’m confused

technically no cuz zhou mingrou or watever his name is was a human n so hes human level. and its not even the same human level as umineko

 

[Hecky2222]

technically no cuz zhou mingrou or watever his name is was a human n so hes human level. and its not even the same human level as umineko

isekai level so debunked below average writing

 

[SuperNova55555]

technically no cuz zhou mingrou or watever his name is was a human n so hes human level. and its not even the same human level as umineko

You said “verse” not “zhou mingrui”. At the time of the previous civilization, all Outer Deities were at their full power and 6-Sefirot OC was still sleeping below Earth. Which makes it pretty quantifiably stronger than the current state of the LOM verse.

 

[Vesxpura]

isekai level so debunked below average writing

only reverse isekais qualify for trueadampeakwritingmaxxing.

whats a high tier isekai to a low tier reverse isekai. nothing

You said “verse” not “zhou mingrui”. At the time of the previous civilization, all Outer Deities were at their full power and 6-Sefirot OC was still sleeping below Earth. Which makes it pretty quantifiably stronger than the current state of the LOM verse.

blah blah, chinese guy so he scales to the whole verse

 

[SuperNova55555]

only reverse isekais qualify for trueadampeakwritingmaxxing.

whats a high tier isekai to a low tier reverse isekai. nothing


blah blah, chinese guy so he scales to the whole verse

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[ScrollerGNL]

discombobulated by vespura lwk crazy.