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Lord of the Mysteries Discussion Thread

SuperNova55555 said:
Unc still posting ts 💔 icl the dedication is genuine

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Dedication is real tho
 
T0+ lotm atoms from knowledge diffing staff

Logic manip atoms from ruining nether’s deductive reasoning
 
It's funny that my message is the one that broke the camel's back but it is legitimate, probably not just the place to comment it.

Like who knows if there's another Tier 0 support statement in COI but we can't find it because the AI CK used skips translating whole ass sentences for no reason.
 
SuperNova55555 said:
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Shattering All Limits with Tier 0 Lord of Mysteries

Sorry Shin pookie wookie, I'm stealing your flow to wank my own verse. 🥰 As a preface, this will, I reckon, cause LOM to likely be the single highest scaling verse per average character on the wiki. By that, I mean that everything in the verse will very likely scale to H1A+ at some...
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ActuallySpaceMan42 said:
Tensura and Lotm might be the only two verses to get threads close because of the sheer amount of brain rot.

Congratulations XD
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Hecky2222 said:
Second one is relevant cuz me and my biggest enemy pushed agenda to point randoms spam our dms
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Spaceman join our agenda if thread passes 🙏
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Type shit atomists argue for atoms:
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Metalballrun said:
It's funny that my message is the one that broke the camel's back but it is legitimate, probably not just the place to comment it.

Like who knows if there's another Tier 0 support statement in COI but we can't find it because the AI CK used skips translating whole ass sentences for no reason.
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Umm that's actually me with my Anti Nova Manipulation specially derailed thread so it doesn't get pass 😂

@SuperNova55555 Atoms curse real. Next time RVR
 
Hecky2222 said:
H1-A+ Atoms
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Never ask an Atomist why there are attacks that don’t intrinsically have Godhood 🤭🫵
The Overseer's feet had not shifted an inch!

She stood beside a protruding rock with a fixed entrance to the mirror world, never pursuing or approaching. Instead, she exerted her influence upon them from a distance.

Could this be an inherent trait of an Overseer? Might the Pride Armor's capacity to strike her stem from the abhorrence and hatred imbued within it by a deity before His demise? Were only attacks infused with godhood or a corresponding level of corruption capable of harming an Overseer? Lumian frowned, pondering these possibilities.
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SuperNova55555 said:
Never ask an Atomist why there are attacks that don’t intrinsically have Godhood 🤭🫵
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Btw some of my slave made whole doc against it when i wake up, so enjoy larp
Disagree with this very notion, atoms are not H1-A+? Come on bro and stop larping, the text itself does not actually deny the possibility of spirituality in atoms at all wtf.

What it denies is merely practical detectability, its potency, or resonance of spirituality in ordinary objects, which I don't need to say why these claims are radically different claims.

As said, it does not deny the possibility of spirituality itself for atoms (or objects), really, you might say they indicate they have a 'weak' spirituality, but weak relative in what sense? Do you think atoms, like all things in LoTMs logically, cannot correspond to a respective Symbolism? We all know all things do, and the potential for it is there. There is nothing to truly can debunk the notion of 'atoms' themselves, possessing spirituality or godhood relative to the essence of all things (OC) as atomic existences

To say that an ordinary object lacks sufficient spirituality for supernatural interaction is not equivalent to saying it possesses no spirituality whatsoever. In fact, the quoted passage arguably presupposes a gradation rather than absence. Klein is explicitly dealing with charms infused with his own spirituality and notes that ordinary objects differ "in supernatural terms." The qualifier matters.

Difference in supernatural terms does NOT automatically entail metaphysical nonexistence of spirituality for atoms. It merely indicates a disparity in intensity or functional significance relative to individual beings.

If spirituality can exist in stronger and weaker forms, then the notion of an infinitesimal spirituality attached to atomic existence is not excluded by the text at all. One could even argue that the distinction between infused objects and ordinary objects only establishes a threshold effect. Certain concentrations of spirituality become operationally relevant, while lesser concentrations remain dormant. The existence of a threshold presupposes a continuum beneath it.

Furthermore, this—an anti-atomist objection from Supernova mind you—tends to smuggle in a premise that spirituality is a property that either exists or does not exist. Yet that binary assumption is nowhere demonstrated, lol, lmao even. Many metaphysical systems throughout history conceive of spiritual significance as analogical, participatory, or hierarchical rather than binary.

A thing may possess spirituality not because it contains a measurable quantity of mysticism but because it participates in intelligibility itself, and atoms pretty much DOES, like anything else in the universe.

If spirituality is tied to Symbolism correspondence, essence, or participation in higher realities, then the smallest constituent of existence cannot simply be exempt by “oh so it lacks spiritually nvm”, it is like saying a human lacks spirituality relative to Gods. Whatever you do an atom remains an existent thing and it occupies a definable position within reality. It possesses nature, it enters relations, and it is intelligible.

The moment we grant those characteristics, the atom becomes capable of serving as a nod to their very own Symbolism within the verse. The question ceases to be whether atoms possess spirituality and instead becomes how much, in what mode, and relative to what hierarchy, which, btw, is pretty much the case or else let's just nuke this whole H1-A+ right now.

The consequence is devastating for fundamentalist anti-atomism. If all existence flows from a transcendent source, then every existent thing retains some vestige of that source. The difference between a god and an atom is not the difference between divine participation and no participation, it is merely the difference between greater and lesser participation, thus even the humblest atom would contain a faint reflection of intelligibility. No expectations. Undebunkable.

It would be absurd, from this perspective, to claim that atoms possess absolutely no spiritual value.

Symbolism creates another problem for strict anti-atomism: since anything within the verse exists with a Symbolism, they would not exist at all if there was no Symbolism. So you are denying there can be something like “Path of Atoms” or “Symbolism of Atom”? Can you even look at me dead in the eyes and say “yeah there cannot be a Symbol of Atom? That it cannot symbolize something like permanence or multiplicity, or countless other conceptions.

The atom can very well correspond to concepts and represent archetypes. In fact, many mystical traditions historically attributed significance to fundamental constituents of reality, which, by nature, atoms are such a thing, even ancient atomists themselves were often less reductionistic than modern caricatures suggest.

Certain esoteric traditions viewed elemental units as reflections of cosmic principles. Alchemical thought regularly linked material constituents with spiritual realities. Hermetic traditions treated the smallest structures of existence as mirrors of larger structures. "As above, so below" does not suddenly stop applying when one reaches atomic scales, if anything, it becomes more relevant since the microcosm mirrors the macrocosm. They are spiritually indispensable because they participate in the universal pattern.

If all things originate from the Original Creator, then every thing possesses an essence grounded in that source, which is not limited to celestial bodies, Beyonders, or spiritual creatures. Every. Single. Thing. Atoms literally like anything else derives being from the same ultimate principle and you decide to go “I'll ignore that”?.

If we're going to grant universal dependence upon an originating source, then every existence becomes, in some sense, a manifestation of that source's intelligibility. (That's how you are arguing godhood wanks for H1-A+ anyway)

Spirituality may be significantly weak at lower ontological levels, but that doesn't mean “it has no spirituality”, so stop larping bro, please. Even if a candle emits less light than a star both ultimately participate in luminosity. Likewise, an atom may possess spirituality so faint that it never becomes operationally relevant for supernatural phenomena, but that does not entail metaphysical nonexistence.

The atomist position therefore does not need to claim that every atom is Beyonder, a god, or a high-tier entity, that is a caricature. The atom can perfectly be itself and possess some form of spirituality that, AS WE BOTH KNOW, CAN, if ELEVATED to Sequence 4, USE ITS H1-A+ TIER combatively. If spirituality of atom a derivation from a common ontological source, then atoms cannot be excluded in principle.

The anti-atomist must therefore do more than point to passages distinguishing ordinary objects from spiritually infused objects. Supernova's claim doesn't proof anything anyway, so stop downplaying.
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