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How Is Mace 4-B, and Dooku isn't ? Dooku was equal to Mace,and then becomes even stronger as a Sith ? Obviously Mace got stronger as well, but Dooku has been shown to at the very least keep up with Yoda. Anakin even more so when focused absolutely decimated Dooku, and has been stated numerous...
Is it THAT hard for people to comrpehend that the GoD aren't equal or that strong ? Belmod states that Jiren is unbeatable even by him, Jiren powers up even further to a point where Belmod states he's never felt such power from Jiren EVER, Goku in the Exhibition matches is RIVALLING GoD, and...
Being a novice GoD doesn't matter, even Freeza who's never had godly training in his life overpowered a Hakai from a GoD. Hell, Goku in the Exhibition matches was said to have power equal to the gods.
They are unironically, Goku and Vegeta are both stronger than some of the GoD's, the baseline level for a GoD is SSB level shown in the manga and anime,and Vegeta defeated GoD Toppo.
Also no, Goku was holding back against Kale in their first battle, because firstly he was unscathed during their battle, and Kale was one shotted by Jiren, while Goku managed to draw a fight from him. I don't have the patience to reply to your paragraph, too late to be bothered.
Even then, surpressed Jiren from 110 is stronger than Belmod as when he powered up in 124, Belmod said he'd never felt that much energy from Jiren, and he kept using more power from then on, Jesus Christ ,I'm now realising how hard Jiren stomps.
Peter1129
We can't calculate how much more power he's gained since then, sure he's gotten stronger but by how much ? Is he comparable to MUI Goku, 3rd UIS ? It's so arbitrary that it's pointless to guess, and how much time has passed since the tournament.?On the Db website it stated Goku and...