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Can Luffy bypass infinity? (Luffy vs Gojo)

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Suigetsuhyugs said:
He was never stated to be capable of just creating bombs or create objects on specific locations, so yes you are giving things he never shown to be able to.
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it's shown that way... And stated to be able to turn his imagination into reality... He creates objects from his imagination which is where his Subjective Reality comes from, It's not NLF
Suigetsuhyugs said:
That's not how it works did you read the NLF on the wiki? The example used it's Itachi's Tsukyomi being able to work on everyone, it's not just about using in ways many levels of powers above what one is capable of.
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... What are you even talking about, that has nothing to do with what I've said which are backed up by evidence of what luffy is capable of doing
 
MonkeyOfLife said:
it's shown that way... And stated to be able to turn his imagination into reality, not NLF

... What are you even talking about, that has nothing to do with what I've said which are backed up by evidence of what luffy is capable of doing
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As a staff member you should know this better than me, yet it seems you don't. Well I'm not up to argue more even more since you are just saying all things over and over again.
 
Suigetsuhyugs said:
As a staff member you should know this better than me, yet it seems you don't. Well I'm not up to argue more even more since you are just saying all things over and over again.
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If you are saying luffy cannot create objects from his imagination then luffy shouldn't have Subjective Reality which he has, if you are saying luffy cannot spawn thing mid air, I've literally shown you proof that he can

Stop ignoring the proof to say NLF because you don't like it
 
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MonkeyOfLife said:
If you are saying luffy cannot create objects from his imagination then luffy shouldn't have Subjective Reality which he has, if you are saying luffy cannot spawn thing mid air, I've literally shown you proof that he can
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Finally you come up with something new other than "he can because I want to".
He being able to create objects doesn't allow him to create any object that's not how it works, he can create the objects he shown to be capable of creating
I never said he can't spawn things mid air I said he was never shown to be capable of creating objects on specific locations such as you were trying to argue that he would create a bomb inside of his infinity, all the objects he makes are around or very close to himself.
 
Suigetsuhyugs said:
Finally you come up with something new other than "he can because I want to".
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There's nothing new that's been said...
Suigetsuhyugs said:
He being able to create objects doesn't allow him to create any object that's not how it works, he can create the objects he shown to be capable of creating
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So then he can't create things from his imagination is what you are saying... It's not NLF to say luffy can imagine a bomb the same way he can imagined a bucket
Suigetsuhyugs said:
I never said he can't spawn things mid air I said he was never shown to be capable of creating objects on specific locations such as you were trying to argue that he would create a bomb inside of his infinity, all the objects he makes are around or very close to himself.
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Then he'll just get close and imagine it inside..?
 
MonkeyOfLife said:
sure let's even say anything get blocked by infinity, even light itself... Luffy is able to imagine objects into reality, he'll be able to imagine and create a bomb inside infinity and explode gojo that way, bypassing infinity
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You have to showcase Luffy spawning something inside someone for that argument to work.

In addition, from how it was explained to me, the inside of Gojo is his domain that he has complete control over. So Luffy would still need spatial or mathematics manipulation to successfully pull that feat off.
 
Advanced Buso Emission would bypass Gojo's infinity. Gojo's infinity only works on things Gojo can detect. Since Haki is both invisible and an unknown concept to Gojo or anyone in his verse, it would simply pass through the barrier, harming Gojo.
 
Also, wouldn't Gojo's infinity barrier, which is stated to be rooted in reality (mathematics and whatnot), be bypassed by Luffy's toon force and reality warping since it's Luffy warping reality to whatever way he sees fit?
 
Kachon123 said:
Also, wouldn't Gojo's infinity barrier, which is stated to be rooted in reality (mathematics and whatnot), be bypassed by Luffy's toon force and reality warping since it's Luffy warping reality to whatever way he sees fit?
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Thanks to Gojo's infinity, the distance would be infinite and again infinite range or infinite speed would be required
 
? Confused on the state of this thread. Is it a match or what? The title is confusing given the voting number counting?
So weird.


MonkeyOfLife said:
Wouldn't Luffy's electricity manipulation bypass infinity as well? Since it's just electrons which are even smaller than atoms..?
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He said no to agito's electricity manipulation. Same goes to Kashimo's, who although he has not interacted with in a fight, has no capability to bypass his infinity anyways given that his powers just kinda the same thing he uses. Additionally he's kinda on the same train with the main gang in the series about gojo's infinity making him untouchable.
The only ones that could reliably put gojo's infinity IN danger is power null haxes in the verse....
until he overpowers it with more output in his infinity. (See Gojo Vs Disaster Curses Domain Amplification Combo)
Aside from that no other CT or the like bypasses the power in his verse based on the narrative and feats surrounding it (especially statements), bar DE with lethal sure hit effect, CT powernull haxes and Mahoraga hax adaptation. (also some few cursed tools that also have powernull)
Das all.
 
ByArrow said:
Thanks to Gojo's infinity, the distance would be infinite and again infinite range or infinite speed would be required
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Luffy's toon force and reality warping allows him to bypass things rooted in reality. Gojo's infinity falls under that.
 
Kachon123 said:
Luffy's toon force and reality warping allows him to bypass things rooted in reality. Gojo's infinity falls under that.
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Since the distance is infinite, Luffy cannot change the reality of the entire infinity. He doesn't have enough range for that
 
TheGunsFinalWrath said:
He said no to agito's electricity manipulation. Same goes to Kashimo's, who although he has not interacted with in a fight, has no capability to bypass his infinity anyways given that his powers just kinda the same thing he uses. Additionally he's kinda on the same train with the main gang in the series about gojo's infinity making him untouchable.
The only ones that could reliably put gojo's infinity IN danger is power null haxes in the verse....
until he overpowers it with more output in his infinity. (See Gojo Vs Disaster Curses Domain Amplification Combo)
Aside from that no other CT or the like bypasses the power in his verse based on the narrative and feats surrounding it (especially statements), bar DE with lethal sure hit effect, CT powernull haxes and Mahoraga hax adaptation. (also some few cursed tools that also have powernull)
Das all.
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So then how does things like sound and light pass through...?
 
Kachon123 said:
Advanced Buso Emission would bypass Gojo's infinity. Gojo's infinity only works on things Gojo can detect. Since Haki is both invisible and an unknown concept to Gojo or anyone in his verse, it would simply pass through the barrier, harming Gojo.
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? It doesn't work on what gojo can detect. Gojo just put some filter where he can decide what to have things bypass or not SPECIFICALLY. Random blood? Nah. Trying to eat food but turns out there is poison in it? Nah.
It has been further enhanced after his awakening to have more specific functions with the cursed technique's target. That doesn't mean he has to be especially aware of X thing to target it, or have knowledge of it to implement it in his infinity system to then target it.

It's why he steps on the ants casually without being really aware, where it turns out his infinity didn't allow him to step on ants. He kinda just has that type of target function that goes "screw all that".
If he didn't make it have an automatic option then it would have simply targeted everything else, but now that he has automatic option he doesn't have to worry about any sort of off guard or the like where he isn't aware or cognizant of X thing (like random bits of poison sprinkled in a food gojo wants to eat, would be for example, pushed away)
 
BadSystems said:
Those would be blocked. How did you go from what I said to this??
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because they are the same thing but amplified, and your assuming anything "dangerous" or anything that can harm gojo will get blocked... Which isn't stated from what I've seen
 
MonkeyOfLife said:
because they are the same thing but amplified, and your assuming anything "dangerous" or anything that can harm gojo will get blocked... Which isn't stated from what I've seen
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Infinity filters things based on shape, velocity, cursed energy, and probably a few more things I forgot to mention. It is stated in Hidden Inventory.
 
Wait a sec, doesn't Haki powernull cover spatial manipulation from Law? BM resisted Law's Room with Haki and Luffy iirc should scale to BM in Haki, so, isn't he gonna just powernull his way through?
 
ReaperAndBlues said:
Wait a sec, doesn't Haki powernull cover spatial manipulation from Law? BM resisted Law's Room with Haki and Luffy iirc should scale to BM in Haki, so, isn't he gonna just powernull his way through?
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Isn’t that like resistance to SM? Not really experienced with One Piece
 
BadSystems said:
Infinity filters things based on shape, velocity, cursed energy, and probably a few more things I forgot to mention.
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so its automatic version is atom based? Meaning he wouldn't be able to automatically detect electrons which would bypass and hit gojo if he doesn't manually block it
  • Infinity (無む限げん Mugen?): The "neutral" form of the Limitless technique. It mirrors the mathematical concept of infinite fractions between two numbers. Just as there are endless fractions like 1.10, 1.12, etc., between the numbers 1 and 2 that never actually reach 2, Gojo creates a space of infinite "fractions" between himself and his opponents. This renders any attack against him incapable of making contact, much like the never-ending sequence of numbers never reaches a conclusion. Enhanced by The Six Eyes, Gojo can fine-tune this "Infinity" according to various attributes like mass, speed, shape, and Cursed Energy. He can even control it at the atomic level, allowing simple chemical entities like oxygen to pass through, thus enabling him to breathe. After battling Toji Fushiguro, Satoru ensures that Infinity runs automatically. He combines it with the Reverse Cursed Technique to recuperate his brain condition, all while losing an amount of Cursed Energy that is infinitesimally close to zero. This meticulous energy management allows him to sustain the techniques almost indefinitely.
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MonkeyOfLife said:
so its automatic version is atom based? Meaning he wouldn't be able to automatically detect electrons which would bypass and hit gojo if he doesn't manually block it
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He can still block electricity, he’s done it before, and it’s never been said that he needs to manually do it. Not to mention a bolt of lightning isn’t even as thin as an electron or anything, all you need to do to block it is target the “bulk”.
 
BadSystems said:
He can still block electricity, he’s done it before, and it’s never been said that he needs to manually do it.
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but it is stated that he can't detect/distinguish the dangers of toxins which is what the automatic infinity is based on..
BadSystems said:
Not to mention a bolt of lightning isn’t even as thin as an electron or anything, all you need to do to block it is target the “bulk”.
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It's still many electrons and it being too fast or gojo off guarded will make gojo unable to target the "bulk"
 
MonkeyOfLife said:
So then how does things like sound and light pass through...?
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There are certain sounds that just don't, though. Jogo vs Gojo fight is an example


It also depends on said light ig, kinda like it does for sound. I can show you what I mean.

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Here's the anime to make it clearer



It's basically trying to reach gojo (the sound, hence the shudder text) and immobilize him if these scenes weren't clear enough. Anime gives extra clarity on the scene although manga gives enough already.



Tldr. Gojo can hear you. It's just that if your sound is weird his infinity says lmao screw u. And that sound won't reach him now.
 
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