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Miraculous CRT Part 9
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Not pharaoh but his book. so generally he should be average and omniscient with the book.
Rest seems fine.
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I think this also applys for him cuz he bestowaled his own "Truth" power to the book also if not with himself is "Omniscient via Book" is fine?
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It is fine
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I misread that part prob, ı've just wake up that's probably why... Anyway works for me as well, crazy that the verse has immeresuable speed and Omniscient stuff
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This is alright.
Neutral. The attack was going to destroy the space-time continuum, which is different from the blast physically existing in every point in time simultaneously.
We're never told that Timebreaker travels through time by sheer speed alone. What we're told is that the amount of time she gets to travel back in time is directly proportional to the energy she absorbs and the energy she absorbs also influences her physicals, namely her speed. Correlation, however, isn't causation. Timebreaker's strength is also related to the amount of energy she has.
Besides, this framework would definetly make Ladybug and Chat Noir scale. Even after one person touched Timebreaker can travel a set amount of time into the past, which would mean she'd be Immeasurable regardless if she's or not at her peak.
Nigh-omniscience is fine. Pharaoh doesn't knows everything, just whatever is true or false. This means Pharaoh knows the answer to every question, but that question must exist on the first place to be answered.
Pharaoh can keep the rating with the Power of Maat. It's his power, he just gave it to his book deliberately so he could create an obstacle course across the museum.
Fine.
There's no Ressurection or healing types. That's just for regenaration.
Also just use this scan for Timebreaker. Red Moon is an unnecesary assumption. And it's YanLuoShi.
Not what BFR is.
Only notable example is Christmaster army and perhaps Gamer's Army.
There's no proof that Scarabella's Miraculous Scarabella was wad erased Lollipop Boy. They obviously had a fight and purified the Amok.
This is fine.
Only case for a layer here is Manipula, but she had already losed her powers at the moment.
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You arrived to the CRT kinda late tho, from the feat shown she uses this energy to travel through time with speeding up which is why
they can't scale to it similiar to humans in miraculous reacting to miraculous holders and akumatized villains, P.I.S
The god of truth gives him the knowledge of everything which is basically stated, the book can answer what is true or false yes but that doesn't mean it doesn't hold all knowledge of the universe, unless there is a feat or statement like it lacking a knowledge from other things the Omniscient int is fine
they are connected, those types are used to note the limit for their levels otherwise it would be NLF to assume that they can heal/ressurect anything on any level
ok
supportive thingy
ok
it is kinda relevant they are getting BFRed in the fight place to their previous places that isn't in the place they were fighting
the others are fine as well after losing the Akuma the effects of the akuma doesn't really dissappear
i went with visuals here honestly it just seem that they knocked out the Sentimonster and it's clear that Miraculous Ladybug erased it without it getting deamokatized even if they destroyed the object that holds amok
No, it nullified Sandboy's power nullification on Ladybug as well and Characters who have resistance to power null as well, also she probably didn't lose the power of ox cuz yk Monarch would need to detransform for this which he wasn't at the moment
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What's new.
Immeasurable isn't assigned unless there's concete proof that the character is moving on the fourth dimension. Timebreaker getting faster and charging when she's using her power to travel to a different point in time is not a proof that she's moving through time by sheer speed alone.
Humans don't scale to powered beings because it breaks the plot and the scaling on itself. Timebreaker is just another akumatized villain, not even a remarkably strong one at it. Her being Immeasurable actually breaks the plot more than her not being so - what's more, Timebreaker explicitly states within her own episode that she has to absorb the energy of multiple people up to her full capacity to get the upper hand against Ladybug and Chat Noir, which makes no sense when the reasoning as to why she gets to become immeasurable would have her as such regardless of whetever she absorbed the energy of one or a hundred people.
The Power of Maat gives Pharaoh the power to know the truth behind things, or, as verbatim stated, to be told what is truth and what is false. It does not gives you immediate knowledge of everything, it gives you all the answers you might have to a given question. As stated, Pharoh himself used the power first yet he didn't know Monarch was lying to him nor that Alix was in the burrow by her own choice, something that the Book of Truth itself answered once the question was made.
That's new. Then fine.
Redundant and an assumption don't make well for a case.
That's not something the Miraculous Ladybug does.
Battleboard wise the original point it's wherever the match takes place, that's what the Miraculous Ladybug is restoring. So there's no Battlefield Removal. As far as in-verse goes, it's just not BFR.
Depends on the Akuma.
They wouldn't need to knock out the Sentimonster if they just had to perform the Miraculous Ladybug to vanish him from existence. This doesn't makes sense with what the series has shown about how Sentimonsters work in relationship to the Miraculous Ladybug. Fu goes out of his way to take away Marinette's Miraculous out of the mere fear that Feast might suppose threat, Lady Noire explicitly tells Mister Bug not to perform his Miraculous Mister Bug without defeating Reflekdoll first even when they had already defeated Reflekta and Ladybug directly resorts to drop Strikeback to the sun over just dissapearing him with the Miraculous Ladybug even though she was going to use it anyways.
Nullfying Power Nullification isn't a Power Null layer. Power Nullification is a power on it's own.
Who?
They lose the power when they are defeated. It doesn't matters if Monarch remains transformed or not.
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Basically all the things i have given is approved althought ı'm iffy on BFR and EE, like ee looks solid but goes against a statement that Ladybug has told
travelling to past or future is also immeasurable speed which timebreaker does
depends on the content that her charging up the speed and travelling with it seems via sheer speed, if not a full rating how about possibly?
wasn't it the power of "knowledge" also the power is selective tho like he loses his amplified power when he doesn't use power of Sekmhet should be similiar to it He would lose it when he leaves the power, and he didn't think use that power on for himself until the end of the fight as long as they have access to all knowledge in the universe it should be fine to give Omniscient, Ladybug also states that the book knows everything and Pharoh confirms her
it doesn't seem bad to me like she has a feat for healing ppl from ee, Red moon isn't any different than Timebreaker's ee besides the method of using it
idk then
yeah but like the things i have shown didn't dissappear
i know this but i meant when they are defeated like not all miraculous ladybug abilities work in mid combat it is usually after the fight unlike some cases like Ladybug restoring a phone in season 6 and purifying everyone in the Tokyo special, if the villain is defeated it will erase it it is some kind of non combat applicable thing
that's for enhanced part, overpowering a power null would give the other user superiority over the said PN
Appearently i had someone in my list but now i can't find it
forget about this part for now aye just stick to the enhanced partnot for miraculous essences and can't see the ep, when Monarch detransforms the essences and the kwamis return to their previous states
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it's was a quip at the fact that I'm always away when this happens.
Moving on the fourth dimension results in time travel because time is the fourth dimension.
Neither. Timebreaker doesn't fills the standards as to why it's a valid assumption to say that she travels through time because she's that fast over her just having time traveling powers.
No.
It doesn't matter if it is temporal, had Pharoh known at any point that Monarch was lying to him he would have rejected the Akuma.
"Knows everything" because it can answer everything. It doesn't grant holds all the information at once, it gives you what you ask.
Everything that Miraculous Ladybug reverses is because it's the mayhem caused by a given villain. There's far less assumptions to be made on Scarabella and Kitty Noir defeating Lollipop Boy by releasing his Amok.
No, it doesn't. Power Null itself doesn't has a layer of resistance towards another power null. It's just Power Nullification working as intended.
Exactly the case for Miraculous essecenses.
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then why is it "God of knowledge on the page"
i see that i can delete the part about Pharoh having then since my main arg was based on the book
for the content it seems to be all informations are stored in the book's pages, whenever something is asked the book confirms from pages so like it actually hold the all knowledge but it is limited to tell the truth or not, the knowledge part isn't limited in that case
yeah but still erased it before it gets deamokatized
not talking about the layer part it's for enhanced part, overpowering a powernull with another powernull makes it enhanced
still can't see the ep but i've checked it myself from a different website, honestly it happens after they are deakumatized, in the meantime Manipula was still not detransformed from her akumatization, and in some scenes the effects of the miraculous keeps going tho after the akuma is purified as in this ep
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That's Thoth. It's the power he uses to create time bubbles. The one used to create the Book of Truth is Maat.
The gods listed on the page, anyways, are just the titles they have from Egyptian Mythology. The series never says which type of god is Pharaoh asking for his powers, he just makes a request (Time, Strength, Mummies, Wings and the Truth).
The book doesn't physically contains all the knowledge of the world. It just answers everything correctly.
To put it simply, the power cannot give an answer of something that escapes the scope of regular knowledge of who uses it. If you don't know what a car is, you cannot ask if a mercedes is better than a ferrari. You get access to every answer you might have but you have no knowledge of everything, which is not what Omniscience stands for and why nigh-Omniscience is a thing.
Seems just an animation oversight.
There's no Power Null being overpowered. It's not two different abilities clashing, is just one power taking effect and another reversing what other power did by doing the same.
Effects of Miraculous powers are bound to last depending on which power it is. Venom for an instance can still hold it's effect even when the Bee Holder is not transformed, others will lose their abilities because it's not compatible with how they work. All of Ikari Dozen clones dissapeared before she was de-akumatized even if Tomoe would've still gotten the Mouse Miraculous under her possesion, which would mean that instead of a single Tomoe there should've been a dozen across Paris miniaturized. Not what happened, however.
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hmm fair enough than, do i have the authority to change it to Nigh-Omnsicent now or should i make a seperate thread for that?
i think it's fine to keep since it is non-combat applicable
uhh then no enhanced power null?
that's not what i mean, they lose the power when they are detransformed from the akumatization, meanwhile it isn't the case for Manipula. She was still transformed when miraculous ladybug pass on her
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That's fine by me.
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Abilities aren't to be kept for those reasons.
No.
When Ikari Dozen was de-akumatized, The Mouse Miraculous' Multitude was already out of effect before Ikari Dozen turned back on Tomoe. That's what I'm saying.
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that's depends on the villain, like her multiplication wasn't really deactivated it's just akuma of her was purified so her ikari gozen counterparts didn't exist, the effect is clear it's from deakumatization
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All of Ikari Gozen clones are perfect replicas, that's why Ladybug wasn't concerned about having to single one out particularly; as de-akumatizing one meant de-akumatizing them all. The clones dissapearing just because Ikari Dozen was being de-akumatized doesn't makes sense if she kept the effects of the Mouse Miraculous Essence active afterwards.
