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Twin Peaks Cosmology

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Self-explanatory:

Blog link.
Credit to @Crimson223 for helping me.
If you have any questions, ask either of us.
Summary:
  • Physical World; 1-A+
  • The Lodges: Infinite Layers into High 1-A
  • Nonexistent: Infinite and one Layers into High 1-A
  • Spiritual Perfection: Infinite and two Layers into High 1-A
  • The Clear Light: Infinite and three Layers into High 1-A
  • Electricity: Infinite and three Layers into High 1-A
  • Dreamer Macrocosm: Infinite and three Layers into High 1-A
  • Laura Palmer: High 1-A+
  • JUDY/Fireman/Dido: High 1-A+
  • The Truths of the Mystery: 0
  • The Mystery: 0

Agree: @Re5yh @Crimson223 @BleedingPeach (mostly)
Neutral:
Disagree:
@Guardian_Doge
 
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Shouldn't Laura scale to only High 1-A? I don't mean that you analysed it wrong, but having a Type 1 who dreams reality is something we've saw with Azathoth or Mana-Yood-Sushai.

Otherwise I agree with you.
 
Shouldn't Laura scale to only High 1-A? I don't mean that you analysed it wrong, but having a Type 1 who dreams reality is something we've saw with Azathoth or Mana-Yood-Sushai.

Otherwise I agree with you.
Alright than, although can you clarify why you don't think that Laura dreaming reality is High 1-A+?
 
Shouldn't Laura scale to only High 1-A? I don't mean that you analysed it wrong, but having a Type 1 who dreams reality is something we've saw with Azathoth or Mana-Yood-Sushai.

Otherwise I agree with you.
I don't recall Azathoth being High 1-A+ (assuming we're talking cthulhu mythos here) or dreaming reality but oh well. Anyway here we kinda make a difference between the two "types" of High 1-A+, Laura being "type 1" or " being characters who either have the ability to actualize arbitrarily large worlds" while Fireman, Judy and Senorita Dido encompass all logically possible worlds instead so "type 2".
 
I gotta ask. Is this not just copy and pasted from psw?
I mean, besides the fact that it's just not, if we did copy paste that, we wouldn't have all the sources of the scans, since psw doesn't have them, which brings us to two possibilities: either we were allowed to do it or we never did it in the first place. obvious the latter is the case, but what makes you think this is the case anyway?
 
None of this is R>F. A deeper dimension is one of the theorized possibilities, with a mere parallel dimension also being one of them. Besides being an anti-feat since inferior beings could achieve it on their own, this description would at most be high-dimensional, not R>F.
series itself is super abstract too, idk how to even scale it lmao
 
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I gotta ask. Is this not just copy and pasted from psw?
Are we being serious right now
There's overlap in formatting but it's for the most part it's own thing with lots of original arguments, plus, as Crimson pointed out, PSW doesn't even give any sources, so if this was just mindlessly copypasted or reworded from the PSW page, OP couldn't have put those in
 
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None of this is R>F. A deeper dimension is one of the theorized possibilities, with a mere parallel dimension also being one of them. Besides being an anti-feat since inferior beings could achieve it on their own, this description would at most be high-dimensional, not R>F.
Its a clear cut case. The higher frequencies are more real than the the lower ones. Besides, Jacoby was guided by other entities, which is a valid exempt for a R>F.
 
Yeah, so, I think these ratings are inflated and probably not intentionally because this was just how it used to be, but let's get a few things out of the way.
  1. Dimensions
"As above, so below" is a common aphorism in Hermetic Philosophy to explain a "Correspondence Law" between two places, your usual microcosm-macrocosm relationship. It should really not be used to explain anything more than higher realities reflect things on lower ones proportionally. However, I'm not here to debate how sound Hermetic philosophy is.

Specifically, The Grant Chronicles, yes it is used for world-building so I do think it's an okayish source, but you have to read the article you yourself used.
Let's introduce a new frame of reference. First we need to setup a defined three-dimensional box, with defined distances, molecular compression, a reference value of heat equilibrium stabilizing particle movement within to explain the fifth dimension. The natural time progression will be used, which is forward progression for the interaction of matter and energy within the box is the fourth dimension. The fifth dimension involves vibrational frequency. This frequency or vibrational rate is super imposed on matter and energy at the sub atomic level. This would be called its resonant frequency.
Firstly, the "vibrations" all take place in the fifth dimension, in order to represent the possibility of infinite states of matter corresponding to particular densities:
In our world and existence, this would be akin to only knowing the aspects of solid matter without knowing the other forms of matter liquid, gas or plasma. The fifth dimension has many different levels. Counter to some who theorize on 11 dimensions and string theory recently changed to 9, can they make up there mind. In the universe there are infinite amount of levels that matter and energy can exist in a natural state. What mankind does not know is that matter and energy, and that which supports the essence of life, exists many different vibrational frequencies. Each vibrational level is independent from each other, but occupy the same space.
In fact that linked string theory article is also important:

When more of the special subatomic particles are present within a defined space, matter vibrates at a faster rate (less space relates to a higher density and quicker resonant frequency). When a certain rate is reached the matter transmutes to the next parallel universe or density. It is no different than an influx of heat subatomic particles transmuting solid water or ice to a liquid.
So, these "vibrations" correspond to different densities, which in turn correspond to different universes. You still have a burden to prove qualitative superiority within these universes, because they're directly said to occupy the same space. Which I'll get to in a moment.

2. The misuse of the Spirit world with the physical world

Continuing on from the Hermetic quote it's important to know what qualities are being corresponded to. The scan itself makes it semi-clear:
Space and Consciousness as qualia-oriented.
"Is there a bigger being walking with all the stars within?" is an indicator of the Macrocosm, not any particular Dimension of space.
Furthermore, Jacoby experienced the Black Lodge which is of a fundamentally different nature to the physical world as per the Pure air statement. The qualities of erroneous cognition must be identical to assume higher layers of space are psuedo-platonic transcendences. Which as far as I know has no evidence in verse.
And, Major Briggs's experience of that "temporal omniscience" dimension is not the black lodge, so this is kind of unnecessary, you can't trivialize the condition of the physical and spiritual world, across both domains as if they are the same because the physical dimensions are not dealing with erroneous cognition.
Likewise, the qualities of the vibrations are not exemplified to be because of erroneous cognition so you cannot say that this is a fundamental aspect that grounds their relations.

This is anti-buddhist siddhanta particularly because the "I" is not reduced to Pañcaskandha's, in fact the deeper I is a real entity, so no Twin Peaks does not follow Buddhist metaphysics. Also this case is again related to the Spiritual World i.e the Black Lodge.
There is instances of relation which can assume this principle, for example Audrey in the Return waking up to be a completely different person after waking up from her dream, or Carrie being an alternate Laura identity. But this points towards all humans having a fundamental identity relating to some archetypal form in the lodges. Not that they trivialize worlds as dreams.

The Zone, or the dimension Major briggs was sent to is explicitly nonphysical so it can't be apart of the physical world. Furthermore, his assassination (done by the Woodsmen probably) implies a relation to NONEXISTENT or some alternative dimension similar to that which Mr. C is shown to be able to do casually in the Return.

3. The Lodges
Most of this is fine, except the part that jumps to High 1-A for previous reason and...this:
This misrepresents what the Lodges are related to, i.e Fire, Electricity, Pure air. We know (likely know anyway) that the Fireman and Mother are this uncanny source all archetypal forms are derived from. The Fireman's tearoom had a complete lack of electricity and Judy is total darkness on par with that. Furthermore there is a lack of labels and categorization, how could that refer to the lodges which are categorized as "Pure Air". It also directly references Mother "of all others".


Everything else is outside my interest right now, anyways, I'd let an admin review the proposal for 0 because I don't particularly disagree.
 
I'll get to the other stuff in a moment, but,
This misrepresents what the Lodges are related to, i.e Fire, Electricity, Pure air. We know (likely know anyway) that the Fireman and Mother are this uncanny source all archetypal forms are derived from. The Fireman's tearoom had a complete lack of electricity and Judy is total darkness on par with that. Furthermore there is a lack of labels and categorization, how could that refer to the lodges which are categorized as "Pure Air". It also directly references Mother "of all others".
How? (If I am reading your argument correct here?) It is describing the Black Lodge. In the specific section of The Secret History, the segment itself describes meeting with Cooper, which makes clear to be describing the surroundings of the Black Lodge.
I traced it to its source, stunned to realize it did not issue from the vastness of space, but from somewhere in the surrounding woods of Ghostwood Forest. I wanted to tell Cooper about this message--a clear violation of my charter, but when I raised the idea with Colonel Milford he wholeheartedly agreed.

Either way, I partially concede to the dimensions thing, it was mostly a rat anyways. Although, it doesn't downgrade the Black Lodge due to the Campbell thing and unity.

But this points towards all humans having a fundamental identity relating to some archetypal form in the lodges. Not that they trivialize worlds as dreams.
That is not true, I have another scan that says it more literally. Another important concept comes from the Secret History again, specifically where every man and woman is a star. Which suggest that the dreamer form in this case is something not purely related to the Lodges.

About the Laura and Audrey thing, I have mentioned in the blog how every person is a facet of their dreaming self. The Log Lady says this more literally, as all characters are just aspects of the Dreamer. Or, I did not get your point.
 
Plagiarising the hard work of another woman is crazy, this ain't it.



Broski's tried to plagiarise just to summon one of the final bosses of Twin Peaks scaling. It's over atp, none of y'all read it, bro. Might as well give up now. It's so obvious y'all copy pasted the cosmology page from PSW, and changed a few pieces of the choice of words and pretended it was different. Re5yh, liking your comments, and being excited about this doesn't make it any better, considering he has a tuff history of plagiarising too.














Even copied the format and just changed it a little, little as in microscopic.








Either way, I partially concede to the dimensions thing, it was mostly a rat anyways. Although, it doesn't downgrade the Black Lodge due to the Campbell thing and unity.
It's okay to admit when you didn't read about the verse before it's too late.

That is not true, I have another scan that says it more literally.
Larp-ain Expansion: Spamming scans to compensate for a lack of knowledge about the context.

Nobody had used this since the golden age of larping; Catto might be in a little bit of trouble here.


 
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Its a clear cut case. The higher frequencies are more real than the the lower ones. Besides, Jacoby was guided by other entities, which is a valid exempt for a R>F.
I dont see how this addresses anything, his whole point was that its not R>F according to the wikis standards. and therefore its not meaningfully 1-A. and like he said its just higher dimensional at best. Just comparing relative realness doesnt qualify
 
How? (If I am reading your argument correct here?) It is describing the Black Lodge. In the specific section of The Secret History, the segment itself describes meeting with Cooper, which makes clear to be describing the surroundings of the Black Lodge.
I’m saying that the Lodges / Lodge entities are “one” because they are reducible to for lack of a better word the intellect, of which collectively is derived from God yes (or Mother aka Judy) it’s not the lodges themselves that dissolve the difference between God and Judy, it’s just that incomprehensible source. God in itself is not apart of this.
Only the human distinction of Good and Evil fail to apply properly. There is still a cosmic dimension to that.
That is not true, I have another scan that says it more literally. Another important concept comes from the Secret History again, specifically where every man and woman is a star. Which suggest that the dreamer form in this case is something not purely related to the Lodges.

About the Laura and Audrey thing, I have mentioned in the blog how every person is a facet of their dreaming self. The Log Lady says this more literally, as all characters are just aspects of the Dreamer. Or, I did not get your point.
Everyone is a “dreamer” because they possess the property of conscience yes, I said this. This doesn't infer that the instances of specific dreamers trivialize their dream in that platonic way. Otherwise, everyone would be 1-A, literally. In addition, if this were not related to the lodges you could not assert how the state of spiritual perfection gives you access to a consciousness above even the Red Room, because the point is that all "characters" an "actor" plays, belong to the Actor only. Dale, as Dale, Mr. C, Dougie (in a way) and Richard solidify this understanding.

However what it does mean, and it is an exceptionally common principle in the verse, is that you can conflate two things with the state of reality. The Log lady also says this:
"And now, an ending. Where there was once one, there are now two. Or were there always two? What is a reflection? A chance to see two? When there are chances for reflections, there can always be two--or more. Only when we are everywhere will there be just one.
Although this particular quote is referencing how Cooper and Mr. C are two different entities, its initial understanding is meant to set the theme up for how ALL people see themselves as multiple, Audrey's story as "the Girl whose in love with Billy" is the dream of Audrey as the "Twin peaks single mother who was inappropriately handled in her Coma, and later in life sent to a facility". This is not proof of superiority, it's related to how identity can be changed, but only upon accepting our true self as One [Dreamer] can we be side by side with God.

That's my point, the plot between dreamers and The Dreamer is that we are dreaming and suffering, in an endless circle of pain, pleasure, etc i.e Garmonbozia. These individual dreams, are more like parallel realities, even as per mark frost:
Cooper was following in the footsteps of Phillip Jeffries. He crossed a forbidden barrier, risked his existential existence to do it, and ended up hurling both he and Laura into a sideways, alternate reality.
 
isnt plagerism bannable?
Variably. It is strictly against the rules, although it is worth noting that we would not punish someone for copying with credit given (since all Fandom pages are protected under a license that permits this; we have done this with calculations from NarutoForums, for example, and many pages have summaries copied from another wiki). On this end, we would, however, delete the content if the original author requested that to be done, I believe. We would also not punish someone if a profile was nearly the same, but rephrased in the author's own words.

Whether this is a punishable offense, I'll have to see. I'm about to head out now, so I'm left in a bit of a delicate decision. It may be best to lock this thread for now until a proper response can be given.
 
I'm going to lock this for now. I'm not doing so because I'm presupposing that a rule has or has not been broken, but rather because if a rule has been broken, I can only imagine this disintegrating. If there are more details to the situation than what is explicitly stated on this thread, I'd welcome a post on my message wall or a DM about it. Otherwise, I will get to this when I am able to, or another staff member may chime in.
 
Plagiarising the hard work of another woman is crazy, this ain't it.



Broski's tried to plagiarise just to summon one of the final bosses of Twin Peaks scaling. It's over atp, none of y'all read it, bro. Might as well give up now. It's so obvious y'all copy pasted the cosmology page from PSW, and changed a few pieces of the choice of words and pretended it was different. Re5yh, liking your comments, and being excited about this doesn't make it any better, considering he has a tuff history of plagiarising too.














Even copied the format and just changed it a little, little as in microscopic.









It's okay to admit when you didn't read about the verse before it's too late.


Larp-ain Expansion: Spamming scans to compensate for a lack of knowledge about the context.

Nobody had used this since the golden age of larping; Catto might be in a little bit of trouble here.


I'm getting around to investigating this. My end result is that 99% of the blog is actually totally fine. We don't particularly care if a user copied the whole flow and format of the thing, nor if they rephrased and added to previously established pieces of evidence.

With that said, some of these are word for word the exact same phrasing (and some are really extremely close). I did random sampling of my own to search for repetition of phrases, and nothing I chose was exactly the same; but the instances pointed out in this quoted post, are legitimately against our policies. If you are copying work, it falls to you to either rephrase it ALL in such a way that is original to you, or to give due credit. I believe it is beyond argument that the original blog was copied, but with these posts that are unedited, we can now agree that it was also certainly plagiarized.

I'm going to make a post about this on the Rule Violations Reports Thread. I am not going to recommend a ban for this; however, I am going to recommend a warning to never do this again, and also that the blog must give due credit to the original author, and should be deleted should they make themselves appropriately known and request it.

While most of you should not post on the subject, I have filed my report here. I am linking it on the basis that I do not think this thread should reopen until the report is resolved, so if you'd like to keep up on that, you may.
 
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