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High 6-A to 5-C Redux Tournament (2026): Cat Noir vs Qiqi the angry robot girl (QUARTER FINAL) (NEED VOTES)

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  • Main Tournament Thread
  • Keys: As agreed against tier setter in main thread
  • Speed: Equalized speed in all matches
  • Distance: 50 meters apart from each other
  • Win:
    • Win via killing ⚰️
    • or if opponent proceed to give up/exit tournament. (No BFR allowed)
  • Knowledge: Random encounters, No prior knowledge to anybody
  • Time Limit: 25-minute time limit
  • Equipment: Only standard Equipments allowed
  • Location: Arena Dome
(Location picture below Outside and Inside) ⬇️
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Arena description:
  • A giant dome 500 meters wide and 800 meters tall.
  • Colossal enclosed arena where the central battle platform stretches a full 500 meters across, comparable to a supersized football pitch but engineered for extreme-scale combat. The surface is a circular expanse of reinforced metal of near unbreakable material and composite plating, etched with concentric rings that help gauge distance and positioning during fights. At that scale, fighters can engage in high-speed movement, long-range attacks, and large-area abilities without immediately reaching the boundaries. At the exact center lies a small circular opening, deceptively modest compared to the arena’s size. This aperture drops straight down into a vast vertical shaft filled with water that extends three hundreds of meters below the surface.
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@DontTalkDT in the thread like a final boss raid,
He's a VSBW admin, with the calc stack paid.
Got twelve tabs open, every feat gets scanned,
“Actually that’s 1-A with hax, please understand.”
He loves reading Clash of Hexennacht at 4 AM,
Power scaling witches like a cryptic hologram.
Then he switch lanes smooth, robotic romance,
I, the Female Robot got him in a trance.
 
@DontTalkDT in the thread like a final boss raid,
He's a VSBW admin, with the calc stack paid.
Got twelve tabs open, every feat gets scanned,
“Actually that’s 1-A with hax, please understand.”
He loves reading Clash of Hexennacht at 4 AM,
Power scaling witches like a cryptic hologram.
Then he switch lanes smooth, robotic romance,
I, the Female Robot got him in a trance.
Nice rap you got there, but I must inform you that I actually have 54 browser tabs open.

Anyway, to get to the match...


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So why does Qiqi win? Let's look at the declared reason of why Cat Noir loses to the Tiersetter.
he loses to tier setter as he get's out ranged and his entire power relies on touching the opponent, given the distance in this tournament and the fact his power activate by touching which anyone with flight can avoid in his season 3 key i'm adding him as replacement for Zarude something i should've done 2 days ago. Sorry for being late
So, those reasons also apply to Qiqi. And there's obviously the stat gap.
She can simply immediately nuke him from orbit.
 
there's another Cat Noir key that loses to Tier setter, they can use that. I'll wait for @Friedoil11 or @Lort15 cause fridol got exams and stuff so lort would argue for him.
 
Welp, this appears to be the last match. I will wait a bit more before voting. Will vote later today unless we get some new arguments)
 
Welp, since I see no new arguments, I am placing my vote on Qiqi. (after the profiles and DTs arguments)
 
Someone invited me to this party but I have no idea what's going on. I don't know who this Qiqi is (also that profile was poorly done)
Which keys are fighting? The name implies both fighters to be H6-A to 5-C which is very weird since cat noir has no key on that level.
Someone mentioned flying to escape Cat Noir but he can also fly with space form which should scale higher than his normal speed. Also because of his recent power up Cat Noir doesn't even need to touch as he can use cataclysm to erase memories and affect the weather.
 
Someone invited me to this party but I have no idea what's going on. I don't know who this Qiqi is (also that profile was poorly done)
Which keys are fighting? The name implies both fighters to be H6-A to 5-C which is very weird since cat noir has no key on that level.
Someone mentioned flying to escape Cat Noir but he can also fly with space form which should scale higher than his normal speed. Also because of his recent power up Cat Noir doesn't even need to touch as he can use cataclysm to erase memories and affect the weather.
CatNoir is limited to season 4
 
He doesn't actually have a season 4 key so... Is it "outside of the bounds of the law"?
Yeah. Apparently it's a non-standard matchup that wouldn't be able to be added.
Probably has to be done this way, as otherwise he presumably wouldn't lose to the tiersetter and get disqualified... At least if we go by the original argumentation, that is.
 
Yeah. Apparently it's a non-standard matchup that wouldn't be able to be added.
Probably has to be done this way, as otherwise he presumably wouldn't lose to the tiersetter and get disqualified... At least if we go by the original argumentation, that is.
Ok, then.
Someone mentioned flying to escape Cat Noir but he can also fly with space form which should scale higher than his normal speed.
This is still valid he started using the potions in season 2 and used multiple times in season 3 and the New York Special which was before season 4
Also because of his recent power up Cat Noir doesn't even need to touch as he can use cataclysm to erase memories and affect the weather.
This only happened in the current season so it doesn't count. It is ridiculously OP though.

Cat Noir would probably reflect Qiqi's energy attacks and using his flight mode he can still catch up to Qiqi and hit her with Cataclysm or just pin her down since Cat Noir is class G
 
This is still valid he started using the potions in season 2 and used multiple times in season 3 and the New York Special which was before season 4
Can he fly himself into space?
This only happened in the current season so it doesn't count. It is ridiculously OP though.

Cat Noir would probably reflect Qiqi's energy attacks and using his flight mode he can still catch up to Qiqi and hit her with Cataclysm or just pin her down since Cat Noir is class G
And Qiqi can reflect the reflected attacks.
Pinning is a terrible idea, since Qiqi can kill him by metaphorically breathing on him too hard, given that she's a good 300 million times stronger than him in terms of AP.

Is he actually able to sense the sattelite laser strike before it hits? I ask from the perspective that both light and sound of the attack won't arrive before the attack itself.

The Parasite Bomb could be another good trick for Qiqi to use.
 
Can he fly himself into space?
Yeah he can.
And Qiqi can reflect the reflected attacks.
She doesn't have attack reflection on her profile.
Pinning is a terrible idea, since Qiqi can kill him by metaphorically breathing on him too hard, given that she's a good 300 million times stronger than him in terms of AP.
Pinning gives him a much greater chance of hitting Qiqi with cataclysm.
Is he actually able to sense the sattelite laser strike before it hits? I ask from the perspective that both light and sound of the attack won't arrive before the attack itself.
He has enchanced senses, and Cat Noir has resistance to info analysis duo to magic so maybe it might be harder to track, but other than that, they are supposed to be inside an indestructuble dome Sattelite laser probably woudn't be usable unless they are outside.
The Parasite Bomb could be another good trick for Qiqi to use.
If he goes undetected by Cat Noir's senses then that's a problem.

Edit: Forgot to mention but Space form has an ability to analyses things making it able to see a meteor that was in outer space
 
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Yeah he can.

She doesn't have attack reflection on her profile.
Reflection Shield: One of Qiqi's own inventions. While not as durable as the External Energy Shield, it can reflect or deflect any energy-based projectile making it more useful for countering attacks.
Have the scan as well:
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(FYI that boy is Qiqi in a different body)

As for why no attack reflection in the P&A... well, to quote the Attack Reflection page:
Note: Attack Reflection as an ability must refer to a power in which a major or direct aspect is dedicated to reflecting or deflecting some form of action. Reflection/deflection as a secondary power, such as using Telekinesis to redirect something, Elemental Control to redirect its respective element, or using a barrier that happens to cause ricochet on projectiles, would not be considered as Attack Reflection, as those aspects are secondary effects of a primary power.​
Listing this as attack reflection is specially not intended.
Regardless, it does reflect attacks.
Pinning gives him a much greater chance of hitting Qiqi with cataclysm.
Between the time he pins and uses cataclysm, Qiqi would have slightly twitched and turned his body to a smear on the nearest wall as a result.
With a 300 million stat gap, you don't want any contact that isn't hax.
He has enchanced senses, and Cat Noir has resistance to info analysis duo to magic so maybe it might be harder to track
Enhanced senses don't solve the problem of the attack being faster than the thing these senses perceive. Doesn't matter that your hearing is super good, if the attack arrives before its sound does.
And not sure what info analysis resistance is supposed to do. Qiqi doesn't use info analysis?
but other than that, they are supposed to be inside an indestructuble dome Sattelite laser probably woudn't be usable unless they are outside.
Well, Qiqi would probably go outside? Or penetrate the dome. I don't think it's supposed to be actually indestructible, seeing how far some characters in the tourney the losecon, against the tiersetter was that the tiersetter can fly into space.
Might help against the parasite bomb, assuming he isn't too occupied with having to dodge or defend against absolutely every attack Qiqi sends his way to not die.
Less against the laser.


Overall, I just find it more likely that Qiqi gets some hit with any part of her toolkit, than that Cat Noir never gets hit during the entire fight, catches her and pulls off his hax.
 
Have the scan as well:
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(FYI that boy is Qiqi in a different body)

As for why no attack reflection in the P&A... well, to quote the Attack Reflection page:

Listing this as attack reflection is specially not intended.
Regardless, it does reflect attacks.
Would it reflect her own attacks? And even if it does how long could the shield hold before breaking? Because CAt Noir's staff is pretty much invulnerable and has no actual limit.
Between the time he pins and uses cataclysm, Qiqi would have slightly twitched and turned his body to a smear on the nearest wall as a result.
With a 300 million stat gap, you don't want any contact that isn't hax.
Cat Noir has like a 1000x LS advantage, Twitching her body would not be AP to be able to move while being gripped by someone stronger you need LS not AP.
Enhanced senses don't solve the problem of the attack being faster than the thing these senses perceive. Doesn't matter that your hearing is super good, if the attack arrives before its sound does.
Ok
And not sure what info analysis resistance is supposed to do. Qiqi doesn't use info analysis?
OK
Well, Qiqi would probably go outside? Or penetrate the dome. I don't think it's supposed to be actually indestructible, seeing how far some characters in the tourney the losecon, against the tiersetter was that the tiersetter can fly into space.
The OP presented it has nearly indestructuble which since it's made of metal which reflects light. This is also a question I have had a few times regarding other fights, technically Qiqi's satellite strike requires there to be Satellites already in place as per the description on her profile mentions since this is a no Prep time fight is her even allowed to use that?
Might help against the parasite bomb, assuming he isn't too occupied with having to dodge or defend against absolutely every attack Qiqi sends his way to not die.
Well Cat Noir has martial arts and acrobatics I think he has a good chance of dodging.
Less against the laser.
Since the Speed is equalized then both scale to sub relativistic which is a feat made from dodging light so why wouldn't Cat Noir be able to dodge it?
Overall, I just find it more likely that Qiqi gets some hit with any part of her toolkit, than that Cat Noir never gets hit during the entire fight, catches her and pulls off his hax.
Cat Noir doesn't need to ctch her only slightly graze her with his ability activated which he can do at any moment during a fight.
 
I do not know how S4 Chat Noir would ever fit on a torunament of these characteristics, honestly. Not like understand it however.

Also Chat Noir doesn't uses Miraculous Chat Noir in character

Enhanced senses don't solve the problem of the attack being faster than the thing these senses perceive. Doesn't matter that your hearing is super good, if the attack arrives before its sound does.
This point's terrible. ES work as intended for fights like they do normally. Speed unequalized Toph would not lose a fight against an equally fast opponent because her Seismic Sense wouldn't be realistically able to perceive someone moving at that speed before she gets struck, nor would a character with an enhanced sight be unable to perceive a light based attack through tons of layers of stuff because light hasn't reached their eyes yet.
 
Would it reflect her own attacks? And even if it does how long could the shield hold before breaking? Because CAt Noir's staff is pretty much invulnerable and has no actual limit.
Sure, her attacks are energy. And where not she could just cancel them with her regular shields.

Also, from what I see on the page as attack reflection feat, I have my doubts that he even can actually deflect attacks a hundred million times stronger than him. Like, idk which feats that staff has that makes it "has no actual limit", but he still has to be able to hold the thing.
Cat Noir has like a 1000x LS advantage, Twitching her body would not be AP to be able to move while being gripped by someone stronger you need LS not AP.
He isn't using a 360° telekinesis grip that freezes you like a statue.
No grapple a human can do will allow you to do literally no movement.
To that comes that as a robot she has rocket on her feet she could use to move and slam into stuff.
And... oh yeah, she has a passive forcefield around her body, so technically direct touching doesn't work.
The OP presented it has nearly indestructuble which since it's made of metal which reflects light. This is also a question I have had a few times regarding other fights, technically Qiqi's satellite strike requires there to be Satellites already in place as per the description on her profile mentions since this is a no Prep time fight is her even allowed to use that?
It's kinda standard part of fighting arsenal, so I would assume she is allowed to use it.
Kinda like for characters that pull down meteors for attacks, one would usually assume one is around, so that they can fight as they normally would.

And the dome is pretty much shown in the image to be largely transparent, so the laser in particular can probably just shine through.

I should also add that Qiqi has a teleportation device on her. So if the dome were to be indestructible, Qiqi could just teleport out and laser Cat Noir while he's trapped inside indefinitely.
She also has other options. Like, she's actually surprisingly good at digging or can function underwater just fine.
Well Cat Noir has martial arts and acrobatics I think he has a good chance of dodging.
Qiqi has received pretty intense combat training, plenty of fighting experience, in addition to having just some good weaponry. And I guess general intelligence also helps.
So I have my doubts that he has enough of a skill god advantage to just never get hit. Especially because Qiqi's energy beams should have enough power to blow up like half a planet, like Ka'More's did. Try dodging that.
Since the Speed is equalized then both scale to sub relativistic which is a feat made from dodging light so why wouldn't Cat Noir be able to dodge it?
Speed scales downwards and lightspeed is faster than sub-relativistic. And the feat Qiqi scales to isn't light dodging. The slash is calced at just 6% the speed of light.
Qiqi herself considers lightspeed lasers pretty much undodgable:
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Speed isn't even the problem I'm pointing out, though. (Even if the speed difference between combat speed and the attack is a relevant consideration as well)
The point is that Cat Noir can't hear that an attack is coming that's faster than sound. The things permitting perception of an attack only travel so fast.
Cat Noir doesn't need to ctch her only slightly graze her with his ability activated which he can do at any moment during a fight.
And if she slightly grazes him with any attack, ranged or close combat, he dies from AP difference.
Using her teleportation device she can also effectively control the distance of engagement.
This point's terrible. ES work as intended for fights like they do normally. Speed unequalized Toph would not lose a fight against an equally fast opponent because her Seismic Sense wouldn't be realistically able to perceive someone moving at that speed before she gets struck, nor would a character with an enhanced sight be unable to perceive a light based attack through tons of layers of stuff because light hasn't reached their eyes yet.
This has nothing to do with speed equal, ES does not have that effect in normal fights either. It never allowed you to hear sounds before the soundwave arrived. Enhanced senses make you feel the sensory signals that reach you better, it doesn't make these signals travel faster.
Toph logically couldn't feel a vibration with her feet, before the vibration actually reaches her feet.

If you want to claim that someone can hear faster than sound, then that's a whole separate kind of feat you need.
 
Sure, her attacks are energy. And where not she could just cancel them with her regular shields.

Also, from what I see on the page as attack reflection feat, I have my doubts that he even can actually deflect attacks a hundred million times stronger than him. Like, idk which feats that staff has that makes it "has no actual limit", but he still has to be able to hold the thing.
Those things can reflect any kind of hax and can protect them from the miraculous that can cause explosions, as far as I know it's not actually "AP related" it's just reflection.
He isn't using a 360° telekinesis grip that freezes you like a statue.
No grapple a human can do will allow you to do literally no movement.
But can a human produce the same type of AP with an attack from their belly as they can with their hands and feet? Cuz if your arms and legs can't properly move how can a body twist produce "planet level" AP?
To that comes that as a robot she has rocket on her feet she could use to move and slam into stuff.
And... oh yeah, she has a passive forcefield around her body, so technically direct touching doesn't work.
That's a problem then.
It's kinda standard part of fighting arsenal, so I would assume she is allowed to use it.
Kinda like for characters that pull down meteors for attacks, one would usually assume one is around, so that they can fight as they normally would.
Since normally the fights are assumed to be on a planet getting meteors make sense the asteroid belt is part of the battlefield when a fight happens on Earth, but Satellites is artificial and men made and realistically most satellites don't have the capabilities to release a light beam much less a planet level beam, it's a very weird situation Qiqi doesn't create Satellites her ability revolves around hacking already existing ones which on her verse those satellites allow for "planet level" beams seems more like assuming there is outside help.
And the dome is pretty much shown in the image to be largely transparent, so the laser in particular can probably just shine through.
I guess if it's made of glass then the trajectory would change duo to reflection might not hit.
I should also add that Qiqi has a teleportation device on her. So if the dome were to be indestructible, Qiqi could just teleport out and laser Cat Noir while he's trapped inside indefinitely.
Cat Noir can destroy the dome with his power although duo to be 4 season liited he would only have 5 minutes left. In worse case scenario I guess Plagg could destroy Qiqi but I'm sure it's not Ok to allow Kwamis to fight since it would be outside help.
She also has other options. Like, she's actually surprisingly good at digging or can function underwater just fine.
Underwater is not a problem to cat noir he also has a power up for that.
Qiqi has received pretty intense combat training, plenty of fighting experience, in addition to having just some good weaponry. And I guess general intelligence also helps.
Weird that she doesn't have martial arts then, Adrien has combat trainning duo to (having a rich father) and every miraculours holder apparently became masters with the weapon they get, it's funny because it might be the first time they use it but somehow can already use it very well even perform certain spinning and techniques.
So I have my doubts that he has enough of a skill god advantage to just never get hit. Especially because Qiqi's energy beams should have enough power to blow up like half a planet, like Ka'More's did. Try dodging that.
Ok
Speed scales downwards and lightspeed is faster than sub-relativistic. And the feat Qiqi scales to isn't light dodging. The slash is calced at just 6% the speed of light.
Qiqi herself considers lightspeed lasers pretty much undodgable:
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Speed isn't even the problem I'm pointing out, though. (Even if the speed difference between combat speed and the attack is a relevant consideration as well)
The point is that Cat Noir can't hear that an attack is coming that's faster than sound. The things permitting perception of an attack only travel so fast.
Sub relativistic is enough to dodge an attack that is coming from orbit, as I said before Cat Noir in his space form has a helmet that can give him information of meteors and rockets that are in outer space so it should be capable of seeing the satellite, the helmet is not sound based.
And if she slightly grazes him with any attack, ranged or close combat, he dies from AP difference.
Using her teleportation device she can also effectively control the distance of engagement.
Ok
If you want to claim that someone can hear faster than sound, then that's a whole separate kind of feat you need.
Well... Fiction has a way of allowing people to talk while fighting at FTL speeds so...
 
This has nothing to do with speed equal, ES does not have that effect in normal fights either. It never allowed you to hear sounds before the soundwave arrived. Enhanced senses make you feel the sensory signals that reach you better, it doesn't make these signals travel faster.
Toph logically couldn't feel a vibration with her feet, before the vibration actually reaches her feet.
The reason Toph is used as a particular example is that her seismic sense is mechanically slower than her accepted speed, yet is the one way Toph can actually react to other characters, with them even standing still in her POV.

ES doesn’t makes the signals travel faster, but the way characters use them do not abide to such principles. Eyes are receptors as well, but claiming a character wouldn’t be able to perceive anything faster than light because eyes require light to reach them to form an image isn’t a solid argument — neither would it be if it is the enhanced sight of a character incidental to be able to catch light.
 
For the protocol, I am obviously voting Qiqi.
The reason Toph is used as a particular example is that her seismic sense is mechanically slower than her accepted speed, yet is the one way Toph can actually react to other characters, with them even standing still in her POV.

ES doesn’t makes the signals travel faster, but the way characters use them do not abide to such principles. Eyes are receptors as well, but claiming a character wouldn’t be able to perceive anything faster than light because eyes require light to reach them to form an image isn’t a solid argument — neither would it be if it is the enhanced sight of a character incidental to be able to catch light.
If the character has no feats of the contrary, then it is a valid argument.
That's the thing with the Toph example: She has feats of vibration somehow reaching her feats faster than normal. One could argue that it should technically give her ESP, but I don't like giving out abilities to explain stat inconsistencies. It's typically one of those unwritten abilities that characters have it. (Like super grounding)
But that doesn't mean that it won't require feats to do.
Those things can reflect any kind of hax and can protect them from the miraculous that can cause explosions, as far as I know it's not actually "AP related" it's just reflection.
Any kind of hax is a NLF and as far as I see it has no mechanism behind it that would justify no correlation with AP. It's just swatting things with a staff.
So I don't buy that it would block something 300 million times stronger than him.
But can a human produce the same type of AP with an attack from their belly as they can with their hands and feet? Cuz if your arms and legs can't properly move how can a body twist produce "planet level" AP?
*Moon level+ AP
And yeah, maybe a grapple reduces her ability to build up punching power. (Not sure how he would grapple all four limps of a girl that looks taller than him, but that aside) It won't reduce it by a factor of 300 million, though.
Like, to put this in a human context: 1/300.000.000th of a human's peak strength is on the order of magnitude of a human blinking.
He would need to get her in a grapple that prevents her from building up what to her is the energy equivalent of blinking.
Since normally the fights are assumed to be on a planet getting meteors make sense the asteroid belt is part of the battlefield when a fight happens on Earth, but Satellites is artificial and men made and realistically most satellites don't have the capabilities to release a light beam much less a planet level beam, it's a very weird situation Qiqi doesn't create Satellites her ability revolves around hacking already existing ones which on her verse those satellites allow for "planet level" beams seems more like assuming there is outside help.
I think you overestimate how many meteors are currently above your head, but that aside.

Anyway, the orbital strike is a specific power her body was made for and she controls said satellite. If you want you could also consider them standard equipment, since, as you can guess, usually she would have them when on a planet.
She's really not the only character around that has "call in some thingy from a distant place to attack" as a power.
I guess if it's made of glass then the trajectory would change duo to reflection might not hit.
The fact that Qiqi is an extraordinary genius in matters of science makes accounting for that a non-issue for her. It actually just makes it even less predictable for Cat Noir.
Cat Noir can destroy the dome with his power although duo to be 4 season liited he would only have 5 minutes left. In worse case scenario I guess Plagg could destroy Qiqi but I'm sure it's not Ok to allow Kwamis to fight since it would be outside help.
Can't judge that, as I have no idea what that is.
Weird that she doesn't have martial arts then, Adrien has combat trainning duo to (having a rich father) and every miraculours holder apparently became masters with the weapon they get, it's funny because it might be the first time they use it but somehow can already use it very well even perform certain spinning and techniques.
What can I say? She doesn't have martial arts, because she never was trained in martial arts. Kinda just a brawler with good instincts and experience.
Sub relativistic is enough to dodge an attack that is coming from orbit, as I said before Cat Noir in his space form has a helmet that can give him information of meteors and rockets that are in outer space so it should be capable of seeing the satellite, the helmet is not sound based.
Yeah, but even ignoring the issue where he has to see the light before the light, is he going to constantly look at the sattelite during combat? Is he even going to keep track of a random satellite constantly?
And yes, Sub-relativistic is fast enough to dodge an attack coming from orbit, but only if you notice it the moment it's fired.
He would need to constantly watch out for attacks from two or three sources simultaneously. (The satellite, Qiqi and possibly a robot like the parasite bomb)
Well... Fiction has a way of allowing people to talk while fighting at FTL speeds so...
Sure. If a character has feats of doing that, I will believe they can do that. If not, then not.
 
Cat Noir can destroy the dome with his power although duo to be 4 season liited he would only have 5 minutes left. In worse case scenario I guess Plagg could destroy Qiqi but I'm sure it's not Ok to allow Kwamis to fight since it would be outside help.
Plagg is a standart equipment for Adrien to transform it's fine i mean like we do allow outside helps like summoning
 
If the character has no feats of the contrary, then it is a valid argument.
That's the thing with the Toph example: She has feats of vibration somehow reaching her feats faster than normal. One could argue that it should technically give her ESP, but I don't like giving out abilities to explain stat inconsistencies. It's typically one of those unwritten abilities that characters have it. (Like super grounding)
But that doesn't mean that it won't require feats to do.
Don’t recall a single instance in which Toph‘s seismic sense has reacted to something faster than vibrations, other than scaling from other characters; in which case, Chat Noir’s hearing isn’t out of the question. He’s never been subsonic, but can track opponents on his level actively trying to catch him off guard despite sound as a medium traveling orders of magnitudes slower than he actually is.
 
Don’t recall a single instance in which Toph‘s seismic sense has reacted to something faster than vibrations, other than scaling from other characters; in which case, Chat Noir’s hearing isn’t out of the question. He’s never been subsonic, but can track opponents on his level actively trying to catch him off guard despite sound as a medium traveling orders of magnitudes slower than he actually is.
I would argue there are degrees to this. Faster than normal does not have to mean instantaneous.
 
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