Is Tomura a dumbass for not using all of these stat boosts against Endeavor (initially) or against Deku?
I mean, for all we know he could have. Shiggy seems to use his quirks without announcing them whilst AFO announces most before he uses them (a good point of comparison is AFO using impure beam against Armored All Might vs Shigaraki using it against Star).
This much is true, but still odd.
Dumbass isn’t the right word for it. He’s a child lashing out emotionally, of course he’s not thinking the most tactically in this moment.
I think this forgets that Shigaraki wanted Deku to see that he was wrong. That the little kid inside him had died and became Tomura, the symbol of destruction. It’s like arguing why doesn’t Endeavour use Plus Ultra: Prominence Burn to destroy the Nomu whilst in the city, he’s a hero so endangering civilians not an option for him much like how leaving hope in Deku isn’t an option for Shigaraki. This strategy also doesn’t account for Deku using black-chain and stopping the decay before it really begins. The Mt Fuji strat at least would have destroyed a large portion of the country by itself, and massively demoralised Deku (who probably can’t stop a volcanic eruption with black chain like he can decay, given it wouldn’t stop the explosion from happening or the lava from running).
Space has other effects other than merely being a vacuum. We don’t know how solar radiation would affect his body. It also, to Shigaraki at least, makes the fight feel less personal if Deku doesn’t live to see him destroy everything. This also assumes Deku would let this happen. Like he could try to knock Deku towards space, but a Quirk like Gearshift or Float could probably stop Deku before he reaches the edge of the atmosphere.
He was beating Deku without them so I guess he didn’t feel the need to use them. The tentacles are also kinda featless, I mean we see Mineta restrain one in the anime and even in the manga a worn out Mina, Kirishima and Fatgum can al hold them back, so there’s no reason to believe that Blackwhip (which scales way higher than these guys) wouldn’t instantly destroy them. His impure beam also seems to be heavily telegraphed, which isn’t very effective in a fight against an opponent close to you in speed.
That takes the personal feel out of the fight though, which Tomura doesn’t want. He wants Deku to see him for the villain he supposedly is (maybe he also wants to prove to himself that he is a villain). That doesn’t work if Deku doesn’t see his destruction first-hand. He also likely wants to destroy everything with decay, as he feels that is his only purpose (“otherwise, what’s the point of these hands”). It’s not that he’s dumb, it’s that he wants to prove something to himself/Deku which causes him to fight less intelligently, and more emotionally.
I think All For One must have lost the quirk against All Might. We know the first fight made him lose quirks, so it would stand to reason that he lost some in the second one. Especially since AFO never uses this quirk again either, despite nearly losing against Endeavour. And maybe he got rid of them before he gave the quirk to Shigaraki, seeing how they didn’t really help against All Might. We know that he can get rid of quirks if he feels like it, he did it with New Order and I think that one horn guys quirk in one of the flashbacks.This much is true, but still odd.
AFO has several strength enhancers which augment physical appearance and Shigaraki uses non of those, ever.
If he’s using strength enhancers I’d expect to see, or have an implication of some being used. There’s really nothing.
It’s hard to believe they’re using strength enhancers of any sort.
I mean, weren’t Shigaraki and Deku stuck in a deadlock for a period of time? Why didn’t Shigaraki just pop out this shit.
He didn’t have a proper childhood though. His physical age doesn’t matter as, much like Dabi, he wasn’t raised like a child should be. At the beginning of the series (merely a year before the year btw) he was having temper tantrums like a toddler. Literally a few hours before, he cried and threw a tantrum because Mirio said he didn’t have any friends. MVA is less personal for him, which was why he was more tactical there
Thing is, decay doesn’t go that fast. And Deku can make himself go far faster than Shigaraki with Overlay. And again if Deku can’t catch up to Tomura, it removes the personal aspect he wants from the fight, Deku is merely seeing the effects of Shigaraki whilst Tomura wants Deku to see himself gleefully destroying everything.
He wants Deku to see that he’s not crying though. You bring up Zod, but even he wasn’t impersonal with his destruction, he made sure Superman was there for all of it. Otherwise he just would have left him in space. It’s kinda like Omni-Man vs Mark and the train scene. He wants Deku to ‘feel’ the destruction he’s causing and the glee it causes him, that’s the only logic to it.
There is a point. A massive cultural icon of Japan that has stood the test of time, crumbling to dust underneath Shigaraki’s power, kilometres of lava coming out and destroying infrastructure. Mount Fuji is 400-500km^3 in volume, though not all of that is magma. The magma reservoir below it is 20km deep. There are also towns nearby which would be Directly affected by Fuji’s eruption, these being less likely to be evacuated than the cities as Fuji and the regions near it were never expected to be attacked. Even if this attack wasn’t affecting infrastructure (which we know it would, we see infrastructure near the mountain in the manga and even an irl eruption that wouldn’t destroy the mountain would affect Tokyo), it would damage the morale of everyone. Imagine 9/11 but to a landmark that had existed for far longer, a familiar sight to everyone who has ever been to Japan vanishing in the blink of an eye. It’s high risk sure. But unlike cities, which can be rebuilt, an icon (especially a mountain) cannot be rebuilt by human hands. It’s the same as why All Might dying would be such an impactful event, it’s the reason the series critiques symbols so often. Because people rely on the. So much that their destruction or disappearance can cause mass panic (like when All Might was forced to retire, which caused Japan to slowly lose faith in the heroes).
Thanks, I hate it.
Maybe we could see some in a prequel
He's going to feel a massive difference between the two physical states regardless because one is at perfect health and the other is in constant life support from healed injuries. So he's stronger by an unknown amount for now.
Because they think Tomura and Deku (both have the most impressive feats in the story) have no feats that match up to Prime All Might (almost featless character).
Mineta upscale ofc
Aura is quality, not quantity. Deku having more aura moments doesn't mean he has more aura than All Might.
Why we taking about aura like there’s some objective definition to it? It depends on how cool you think a character is/looks. The way people talk about it as well, makes it seem it is at least somewhat a quantity thing, cos it’s mostly used as a term in edits. Like, Piccolo is the big face of having aura, and bro just poses for most of his aura moments. He’s far from the strongest character in universe (well, there can be some debate with Orange) and yet he became the face of aura farming because of the amount of times he does so.
And despite that, he can’t even beat Monoma in a popularity poll.
That’s not the honoured oneTo be fair, if we are aura scaling. We all know who the winner is.
AFO’s quirk was already copied by the time he fought All Might. He was using a synthetic version of AFO.
This much is true I don’t disagree. I just don’t he was a bum without strength enhancers.
I can get behind this to some degree, but seeing as Hawks struggled to catch AFO in raw movement speed forces me to disagree.
They were his “ultimate quirk combination” and he still lost. I’m not saying he destroyed the quirks, rather passed them on to others without copying (which he has done before, he doesn’t have the Nomu’s shock absorbtion or Decay) as he no longer saw a use for them. Though I forgot about Star destroying quirks, which explains why Shigaraki wouldn’t have used them besides them it fitting his general tactics. There is also a good chance AFO didn’t see any reason to use them because they failed him before, or he didn’t see a use for them in the Final War. But it makes sense for Shigaraki not to use them given Star destroyed them. You could try to argue he should have used them against star, but we’ve seen that it seemingly takes a lot of wind up time to use the strength enhancers and it doesn’t really help much against Star who is already trying to stay as far away from Shigaraki as possible, negating the quirks effectiveness.
You answered your question. It's about how cool a character is, not how many times he looked cool.
Never was about strength. Piccolo is specifically known for getting his ass kicked both before and after aura farming.
True. That's why Deku is number 1 in the popularty polls because he's the best aura farmer with the best aura.And despite that, he can’t even beat Monoma in a popularity poll.
I know this is a hypothetical but base weakened AFO being 3x weaker than Weakened All Might would've been a very controversial topic a few years ago lol
Weakened AFO in general have a pretty shit mid distance mobility.
And Deku is generally considered cooler than All Might if the edits online say anything.
But that still means he has aura in the eyes of the public. Aura doesn’t just come from winning fights. It comes from a character’s personality and their actions. If anything, losing a fight can sometimes give more aura if a character has a big final stand (like Bakugo vs ShigAFO) or achieves another goal (like Deku vs Shoto).
Yeah, Bakugo is a more popular character in the fandom (or at least has the most die-hard fans) and is argued to have more aura anyway. I disagree with the latter, but it doesn’t change that Bakugo is often argued to have the most aura in the series (I mean look at how people were talking about AFO vs Bakugo when it aired). And Deku isn’t too far off, unlike All Might who has less than 10% of Deku’s votes. All Might is ranked at number 12, despite being like the second most prominent character in the series lmao.True. That's why Deku is number 1 in the popularty polls because he's the best aura farmer with the best aura.
Bakugo is like No. 2 ragebaiter in the series, which is funny considering how easily he gets ragebaited lmao.
I think his personality causes him to lose some aura for me. He gets aggravated a bit too easily to say that he has the “most” aura. But he’s up there. Probably below Endeavour and Shigaraki though. And definitely below Deku (just the glazing Dekugets in that last stretch, plus his design when he goes serious puts him at the top for me).
We know the only strength enhancer he walks around with is a quirk that enhances his strength by 3. Is it reasonable to say he’s All Might level/3?
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Yeah I didn’t mean to imply he deserves a higher rating or such. Just that he gotta be way more than a normal human without quirks.
Bakugo’s funny, because I like to slander and defend him. He’s in my top 5 characters, for sure, but his fans are often quite annoying so it’s funny to slander him sometimes. But if anyone outside of the fandom calls him a bum, I’ll become his biggest glazer.
true, he got the worst fans, but only the fandom can slander him. outside slander won't be tolerated
What edits?
Nobody ever said it's the case?
I thought you were kidding but if you're going to seriously use the popularity polls as a gauge for "who has more aura" then disagreeing here means squat. Some of the polls even had Bakugo getting more votes than Deku's and Shoto's votes combined so he clearly outmoggs them all.
