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A Song of Ice and Fire: AP Upgrade (STAFF NEEDED PLEASE)

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Do not consider this an approval of the calc, I have not read it. Thread seems fine.
 
Is there any other context for that feat? What state was the rock in before being sent off the cliff?
 
So it could have been on the edge and ready to break off already, or she could have carried it there from the ground level, or anything in between?

This sounds like an issue for the calculation.
 
So it could have been on the edge and ready to break off already, or she could have carried it there from the ground level, or anything in between?

This sounds like an issue for the calculation.

Ser Cleos shoved the oar into Jaime's hand and scrambled aft. They crossed the head of the island and turned sharply down the cutoff, sending a wash of water against the face of the bluff as the boat tilted. The island was densely wooded, a tangle of willows, oaks, and tall pines that cast deep shadows across the rushing water, hiding snags and the rotted trunks of drowned trees. To their left the bluff rose sheer and rocky, and at its foot the river foamed whitely around broken boulders and tumbles of rock fallen from the cliff face.
They passed from sunlight into shadow, hidden from the galley's view between the green wall of the trees and the stony grey-brown bluff. A few moments' respite from the arrows, Jaime thought, pushing them off a half-submerged boulder.
The skiff rocked. He heard a soft splash, and when he glanced around, Brienne was gone. A moment later he spied her again, pulling herself from the water at the base of the bluff. She waded through a shallow pool, scrambled over some rocks, and began to climb. Ser Cleos goggled, mouth open. Fool, thought Jaime. "Ignore the wench," he snapped at his cousin. "Steer."
[...]
"Not you, ser. If the choice were mine, I'd like nothing better, but I am commanded to bring you back alive if possible. Bowmen." He signaled them on. "Notch. Draw. Loo—"
The range was less than twenty yards. The archers could scarcely have missed, but as they pulled on their longbows a rain of pebbles cascaded down around them. Small stones rattled on their deck, bounced off their helms, and made splashes on both sides of the bow. Those who had wits enough to understand raised their eyes just as a boulder the size of a cow detached itself from the top of the bluff. Ser Robin shouted in dismay. The stone tumbled through the air, struck the face of the cliff, cracked in two, and smashed down on them. The larger piece snapped the mast, tore through the sail, sent two of the archers flying into the river, and crushed the leg of a rower as he bent over his oar. The rapidity with which the galley began to fill with water suggested that the smaller fragment had punched right through her hull. The oarsman's screams echoed off the bluff while the archers flailed wildly in the current. From the way they were splashing, neither man could swim. Jaime laughed.
By the time they emerged from the cutoff, the galley was foundering amongst pools, eddies, and snags, and Jaime Lannister had decided that the gods were good. Ser Robin and his thrice-damned archers would have a long wet walk back to Riverrun, and he was rid of the big homely wench as well. I could not have planned it better myself. Once I'm free of these irons . . .
 
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There's nothing there that says it was the same boulder. The statement that a boulder detached itself from the top of the bluff implies it was visible and perhaps vulnerable to breaking off.

So I have to say I'm not sure about the calculation. Sorry.
 
There's nothing there that says it was the same boulder.
If you're referring to the boulders that were in bold in the text, that was just the keyword I was looking for to find the text; it wasn't to try and prove that they were the same boulders.

The statement that a boulder detached itself from the top of the bluff implies it was visible and perhaps vulnerable to breaking off.
Fair, I guess.
 
Do we see Brienne shove it off the cliff or at least have details of how she did it?
So it could have been on the edge and ready to break off already, or she could have carried it there from the ground level, or anything in between?
It’s a Jaime POV chapter. We see Brienne climb the bluff, pebbles start raining down as the archers draw, and then a cow sized boulder immidiatley falls from the exact spot she climbed, and it’s confirmed that she’s on the clifftop. That’s structured cause and effect. If it were random erosion, there’d be no narrative reason to show her climbing at all, „detached itself“ is just stylistic framing, not geology. The calculation assumes the boulder was already at the cliff edge and she just pushed it down.
 
If you're referring to the boulders that were in bold in the text, that was just the keyword I was looking for to find the text; it wasn't to try and prove that they were the same boulders.
That makes sense. Thanks for explaining. It'd be funny if we tried to claim Brienne carried that boulder up the cliff. Talk about the Valyrian steel lady.
It’s a Jaime POV chapter. We see Brienne climb the bluff, pebbles start raining down as the archers draw, and then a cow sized boulder immidiatley falls from the exact spot she climbed, and it’s confirmed that she’s on the clifftop. That’s structured cause and effect. If it were random erosion, there’d be no narrative reason to show her climbing at all, „detached itself“ is just stylistic framing, not geology. The calculation assumes the boulder was already at the cliff edge and she just pushed it down.
Not random or anything like that. The issue is whether it was already loose and vulnerable to being broken off and then falling on its own.
 
Not random or anything like that. The issue is whether it was already loose and vulnerable to being broken off and then falling on its own.
We don’t know that because it’s a Jaime POV chapter, and he only saw the boulder while it was falling. But we do know for sure that it was Brienne who caused it.
 
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