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Lord of the Rings Discussion Thread

I haven't gotten a response back, so I did spend some time going through some of the ideas posted.

Experiment12 said:
I have prepared it but it is not completely finished, but I am also confused, whether the explanation is made one with Paraconsistent Physiology, in Eru's profile evidence Beyond Dimensional Existence and Paraconsistent Physiology becomesin Eru's profile Evidence Beyond Dimensional Existence and Paraconsistent Physiology becomes one. 🙏
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Part of why Eru qualifies for Tier 0 is because he is beyond any identity. Identity is considered a finite qualifier of things, with finite beings giving other finite beings designations like names. Eru is beyond that, for no finite being can conceive of a unique qualifying relationship with Eru. He is equally transcendent and unique compared to all things.

Hence he is beyond any duality or signifier. It's a bad example but it's in the same way that 1x1 = 1 or 1x3 = 3, but anything x 0 = the same result of N/A. Again, bad example, but it's for the point.

What this means, idk, but it seems similar to Type 3? Ask staff for more clarity ofc.
 
Tyranno223 said:
I haven't gotten a response back, so I did spend some time going through some of the ideas posted.


Part of why Eru qualifies for Tier 0 is because he is beyond any identity. Identity is considered a finite qualifier of things, with finite beings giving other finite beings designations like names. Eru is beyond that, for no finite being can conceive of a unique qualifying relationship with Eru. He is equally transcendent and unique compared to all things.

Hence he is beyond any duality or signifier. It's a bad example but it's in the same way that 1x1 = 1 or 1x3 = 3, but anything x 0 = the same result of N/A. Again, bad example, but it's for the point.

What this means, idk, but it seems similar to Type 3? Ask staff for more clarity ofc.
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After rereading the evidence for Paraconsistent Physiology and Beyond-Dimensional Existence, Eru literally transcends identity and plurality, clearly indicating that Eru possesses qualitative superiority.

And I also read your thread when upgrading Tolkien's Fiction to Tier 0, where you found the following letter: "God cannot be limited (even by his own Foundations)... and may use any channel for His grace." - Letter 250

Elaborating further (I will quote your argument in that thread),

  • Eru considers all of Eä to be a mere thought, capable of holding it in His mind. To Him, Eä is on the same level as fiction, as all of space-time is a mere thought in His mind.

So this aligns with the criteria for Beyond-Dimensional Existence Type 3, as follows:

  • Type 3: Characters who exceed dimensionality through a qualitative superiority over lesser things, which is to say: Ontologically surpassing all the contents of a lower reality, and being above their physical composition and differentiation. Characters of this nature don't simply lack all physicality and composition (as in Type 1), but surpass it altogether, being of a wholly superior nature that is unattainable by lower states of existence. However, as stated at the beginning of the page, these beings can still operate on a higher notion of dimensionality that is fundamental to their own nature and reality.

I think the Ainur will also receive this Type, but we need to investigate further, because in my opinion Higher Dimensional Existence is not suitable for entities that are already in Tier High 1-A. Perhaps that's the explanation I can provide based on my understanding of the abilities mentioned above.
 
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Experiment12 said:
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You would need BDE for the Ainur to be evaluated even if it seems reasonable imo, plus now that I look at it, Paraconsistent Physiology wasn't accepted beyond Ant so you'd need one more vote.

Atm, I can only add BDE (Type 3) to the profile.

And we do have an actual general revision thread over using the discussion thread for this stuff as a general reminder to all.
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Lord of the Rings general revision thread: Return of the Thread

Third Thread! Love a trilogy. Hopefully gonna cap off the stat revisions for some time with a "fun" reprisal. Previous thread here. OG thread here. Discussion thread here.
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Hello guys. Currently, I have a desire to work on reworking movies Gandalf's profile.

However, I need to find out if this feat can be considered a physical attack by Gandalf?
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I believe it can, as in this scene, we don't see Gandalf's staff emitting the white energy that it typically does during magical attacks, for example 1, 2
 
Tyranno223 said:
You would need BDE for the Ainur to be evaluated even if it seems reasonable imo, plus now that I look at it, Paraconsistent Physiology wasn't accepted beyond Ant so you'd need one more vote.

Atm, I can only add BDE (Type 3) to the profile.

And we do have an actual general revision thread over using the discussion thread for this stuff as a general reminder to all.
vsbattles.com

Lord of the Rings general revision thread: Return of the Thread

Third Thread! Love a trilogy. Hopefully gonna cap off the stat revisions for some time with a "fun" reprisal. Previous thread here. OG thread here. Discussion thread here.
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Which pages do you need me to unlock, and which other staff members have helped out here previously? 🙏
 
Antvasima said:
Which pages do you need me to unlock, and which other staff members have helped out here previously? 🙏
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Sorry for the late response, my free time is being eaten up again.

BDE for Eru is already accepted and the page is unlocked so I can apply that whenever.

However, Experiment is also proposing the addition of Paraconsistent Type 3 for Eru which needs approving. I am waiting on that before I make any changes.

There is also BDE for the Ainur being proposed, but I personally suggest that be saved for a seperate discussion since the focus is on Eru.
 
Okay. Please explain the reasoning for paraconsistent physiology type 3, and what does Eru have currently? 🙏
 
Antvasima said:
Okay. Please explain the reasoning for paraconsistent physiology type 3, and what does Eru have currently? 🙏
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Below should be my evaluation on the matter and Experiment's point on Paraconsistent.

Tyranno223 said:
Part of why Eru qualifies for Tier 0 is because he is beyond any identity. Identity is considered a finite qualifier of things, with finite beings giving other finite beings designations like names. Eru is beyond that, for no finite being can conceive of a unique qualifying relationship with Eru. He is equally transcendent and unique compared to all things.

Hence he is beyond any duality or signifier. It's a bad example but it's in the same way that 1x1 = 1 or 1x3 = 3, but anything x 0 = the same result of N/A. Again, bad example, but it's for the point.

What this means, idk, but it seems similar to Type 3? Ask staff for more clarity ofc.
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Experiment12 said:
After rereading the evidence for Paraconsistent Physiology and Beyond-Dimensional Existence, Eru literally transcends identity and plurality, clearly indicating that Eru possesses qualitative superiority.
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Tyranno223 said:
Below should be my evaluation on the matter and Experiment's point on Paraconsistent.
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Thank you. That seems fine to me then.

Which other staff members have helped out in this thread, so I can ping them? 🙏
 
Antvasima said:
Okay. Please explain the reasoning for paraconsistent physiology type 3, and what does Eru have currently? 🙏
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Tyranno223 said:
Below should be my evaluation on the matter and Experiment's point on Paraconsistent.
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Antvasima said:
Thank you. That seems fine to me then.

Which other staff members have helped out in this thread, so I can ping them? 🙏
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@Mr. Bambu @DarkDragonMedeus @Armorchompy

Are any of you willing to help out here please? 🙏
 
Tyranno223 said:
Sorry for the late response, my free time is being eaten up again.

BDE for Eru is already accepted and the page is unlocked so I can apply that whenever.

However, Experiment is also proposing the addition of Paraconsistent Type 3 for Eru which needs approving. I am waiting on that before I make any changes.

There is also BDE for the Ainur being proposed, but I personally suggest that be saved for a seperate discussion since the focus is on Eru.
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Tyranno223 said:
Below should be my evaluation on the matter and Experiment's point on Paraconsistent.
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See these posts please. 🙏
 
I am vastly out of my depth here - I've commented here a few times, please do not mistake that with me actually knowing much about the verse. I've read the hobbit and LOTR, i've seen the movies, that is basically the extent of my knowledge and it was all a while ago too.
 
Well, this seems fairly straightforward to evaluate. 🙏
 
For the record, I am no longer that free on time so implementation from me might be slow.
 
Don't remember how long this has been here, but I'm not sure why these lines are on the verse's page, especially the line about the hax being unimpressive:

"The verse's hax is unimpressive for the most part, though it does have transmutation. The Ainur are also intangible and non-corporeal in their spirit forms. The majority of the verse's hax comes from the Ainur's true forms, which are intangible and non-corporeal, and have some decent reality warping/conceptual manipulation in that they created the physical laws of the universe and transcend it."

I mean, yeah, the characters don't have anime-style named abilities (which is to be expected considering when the Legendarium was made, as well as the setting), but the verse definitely has impressive hax through every Ainur (both in their restricted states and true forms). The hax is arguably far more impressive than a lot of verses that are known for being haxxy, including some major anime works. Heck, even the hax of Elves are a lot more impressive than most verses on the site. This line probably predates the Ainur physiology page, but it just looks bad in general. I don't see anything like this on the verse pages of a lot of works with far weaker hax.

Edit: I guess proposing the removal of this would be a revision thread thing, but I'm putting it here first to see if there's any reason why it's here in the first place.
 
Antvasima said:
Well, for obvious reasons we cannot let Eru's page be open forever, so please hurry up if possible. 🙏
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Made the changes to the specific types of BDE and Paraconsistent that Eru had. Not much to change wording wise luckily.

Grand_Astartes said:
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Yeah, that's definitely very old. A shame I missed that during my more active phase.

A CRT definitely seems the way to go.
 
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