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Honestly, I'm a bit surprised I've gotten this much support for the thread. Goes to show you that a lot of users were extremely bothered by this rating.
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(STAFF ONLY) Issues with Seven Deadly Sins 4-B rating
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Arkenis
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This is about majority of the verse not the god tiers.
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Saqphire
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Oh yeah it’s not just the 4-B feat that gets addressed by the UES nuke. Since this change would mean that magic and physical AP wouldn’t be equal or 1:1, Gilthunder’s 7-B calc, Diane’s High 7-A+ calc, King’s 6-B calc and the Behemoth’s 5-A miasma calc wouldn’t scale them or anyone who scales to them in stats as they’re not physical feats. This means most of the mid tier scaling also needs to be revised after this
Yes because all the calcs for tier 5 are from the physical feats of the Behemoth, who isn’t even a top tier in the verse. Whether the calcs themselves for the feats are valid is for a CGM thread tho
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Behemoth is definitely a top tier of the verse seeing as it took nothing less than the Demon King to put it to sleep, and Zeldris admits that he can't do anything about the Behemoth.
Saqphire
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By top tier, I meant like Chaos tiers. But yeah you’re right
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The reason many people don't downgrade is because it's annoying to have to deal with long arguments.
Yes, if this CRT is dealing with the overall UES, we need to see what else affects the verse.
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Nonynho
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Demon_Lord18
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The Diane feat isn’t affected here, take it easy, little grasshopper.
Fallen_Angelicx
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My boy said bet lmaooo
Arkenis
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She uses her sacred treasure which is just magic empowered no?
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Diane H7A feat involves her gathering and slamming that mass of rock so it should be a physical feat to scale to
King 6-B involves him stating to destroy a portion of Brittania to stop the spread of the induras
I believe the Miasma feat is the movement of the miasma or disappearance of it or something like that so it could still work but put a pin on that
Saqphire
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Unless she physically created an earthquake, it’s a magic attack and thus not something she scales to in her base physical stats
Arkenis
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Used her sacred treasure to do that. Look at the calc.
With energy beam.
That'd scale to telekinesis at most.
Saqphire
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It’s still magic amped by her Creation magic so it wouldn’t really her base stats but rather with Creation magic, similar to her stone armour
Also, both of Drole’s calcs might be affected by this too actually
That… doesn’t change much? Sunflower itself is inherently a magic attack, his purposes with it doesn’t change the fact that he doesn’t scale to the partial destruction of Brittania with it. If it was physical, then sure
The calc describes it as a passive generation of miasma iirc
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It’s still literally gathering rocks to form a bigger rock mass and then slamming it with her sacred treasure. The only thing “creation” wise was the gathering of the rock which again is a feat on its own but she quite literally swings and causes the feat. And we have characters that have taken hits from Diane with her Sacred Treasure so I don’t see how that’s not viable.
See above, on her profile it would state that it’s via her sacred treasure and we still have characters like Galand and Dreyfus that took attacks from her and Gideon
Now I don’t get this entire thing. So we can’t use Energy(Magic) based attacks to scale to their stats but we are now pushing for Tier 6 because of attacks(Magic) that are stated to destroy brittania (Not saying you’re saying this but generally)
Fallen_Angelicx
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Tier 7 physically NNT Let's goo
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Bossbrosish
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Agreed (I tried a downgrade before by my arguments were lacking)
So does this mean the cast will go down to Tier 6? What about the Tier 5 feats? If I recall the cast was 5-C as well before. Would the Demon Realm creation go back to via creation like it was before?
So does this mean the cast will go down to Tier 6? What about the Tier 5 feats? If I recall the cast was 5-C as well before. Would the Demon Realm creation go back to via creation like it was before?
Arkenis
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Yeah with the magic of the weapon. She does a technique when she slams it, she doesn't just slam it. Yeah they can tank it, if its shown her regular swings scale to the spell ig.
You guys just need a UES explaining and showing those magic based attacks back scale to physicals which plenty do from what I remember. When they don't you need to show physicals can output relative to those magic attacks or show more energy needed. It's standard energy system scaling.
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There is no point in arguing if said attack is magic or a pure physical attack, if they perform magic attacks then that goes to AP, if it's physical attacks then it can be scaled to AP, SS and durability. It's simple. SDS is at most a NES verse, maybe Gilthunder's cloud creation can scale to his different magic but not his stats.
Anyway, it's pointless, and it's not the point of this thread either.
Anyway, it's pointless, and it's not the point of this thread either.
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I don’t think that’s quite right honestly. The only magical aspect here is the formation and how the rocks move.
Infact the anime supports my claim
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That's exactly what the calc is for, though
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I mean unless I’m reading the entire calc wrong I think it’s for the motion of the rock mass from it’s suspended state to the ground as per this
It also wouldn’t make sense for it to be the formation rather than the slamming because the formation using the anime most definitely is more than 10 frames
But I digress this isn’t the thread for this.
Bossbrosish
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How many votes for this to go through? I counted 4 staff votes.
Arkenis
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That's enough. Just wait 24hrs now.
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M3X is on a roll, obviously agree.
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OP makes sense to me
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This is some bleach level belt to the ass
Digital_Franz
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Hard agree with the OP.
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I agree with the downgrade.
speedster352
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What would the scaling be then? Because the god tiers should still be tier 5, and for the characters to be 1000x weaker wouldn't make sense with commandments who have 5 percent of the DK powers.
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I think we should axe that 5% scaling next. Will get into it later.
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