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I'm pretty sure that comic was confirmed to be canon for that game, but maybe I'm misremembering things
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Street Fighter 6 General Discussion Thread
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Just because only you think that, doesnt mean it should be done, you wanna know why Devil May Cry accepts their cosmic feats to physicals to be scaled? Cuz they rely on a universal energy system common to them, which much like ki in dragon ball or chakra in naruto, allows stuff to scale to physicals
Literally whats your proof Ingrid can punch and kick with the same level of power as her reality warping...let alone why she should be an exception...universal energy system exists for a reason across fiction
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Uhm, rethinking of that, Ingrid may have arguments in favor of a single tier.
She does draw all her powers from sources such as the sun and the "cosmo" (which she explains being the extrauniversal realm) and she is also a catalyst for Psycho Power, on top of being possibly the maximum espert in regards to ki (such as the reveal that ki is an energy drawn from other dimensions).
Her physical body is also a byproduct of said energies, so she may very well be the most "UES character" of the franchise.
I'd say it's different from Gill, because the source of his powers is vague at best, and not all characters draw elemental powers from ki.
That said, if we choose the path of the physical-hax split, I agree with upscaling from Akuma's meteor feat.
I also disagree with splitting her in keys judging on Alpha 3 and her 15 minutes statement. Even there, she takes 15 minutes to react Bison after defeating Ryu, having a little banter, stomping him, chasing him to the Psycho Drive and ultimately killing him, all the while showcasing little hurry. So, I wouldn't take it as indication of her power being too limited to finish things quicker. Also, while she experiences time, I'm not sure it really affects her. She states to not age, and that her various projections have varying ages, from millennia to less than a century.
She does draw all her powers from sources such as the sun and the "cosmo" (which she explains being the extrauniversal realm) and she is also a catalyst for Psycho Power, on top of being possibly the maximum espert in regards to ki (such as the reveal that ki is an energy drawn from other dimensions).
Her physical body is also a byproduct of said energies, so she may very well be the most "UES character" of the franchise.
I'd say it's different from Gill, because the source of his powers is vague at best, and not all characters draw elemental powers from ki.
That said, if we choose the path of the physical-hax split, I agree with upscaling from Akuma's meteor feat.
I also disagree with splitting her in keys judging on Alpha 3 and her 15 minutes statement. Even there, she takes 15 minutes to react Bison after defeating Ryu, having a little banter, stomping him, chasing him to the Psycho Drive and ultimately killing him, all the while showcasing little hurry. So, I wouldn't take it as indication of her power being too limited to finish things quicker. Also, while she experiences time, I'm not sure it really affects her. She states to not age, and that her various projections have varying ages, from millennia to less than a century.
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Iirc the comic book was a very early product, released before the trailers and the game itself.
I always deemed it non-canon (retconned) because there's no reference to Ingrid anywhere and Pandora is hinted at being either a transportation device sent by Ogre's kind to retrieve him, or just a mysterious object.
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Where did you get the idea it refers to her having to hurry up cuz she wss on a timer
The idea behind the claim is to say that Bison in alpha 3 will take her 15 minutes to deal with, if Bison was such an easy win, she wouldnt claim she can take him in that time, also your other things like having banter or needing to face Ryu beforehand and whatever dont help you either in here
How is it any different from a character saying they can stand up to someone in a battle for a certain ammount till they lose or saying they need X time in order to win
I pointed earlier if you read more carefully that time still affects her, BUT difference is she cant age, unlike Ryu, whom obviously was a cub to her compared to his bearded self now
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She says it shouldn't even take her 15 minutes because of how easy it'd be, it's not meant to an indication that Bison is strong enough she'd need roughly that amount of time to beat him, it's just her saying it won't take long to get rid of him. Less "It's gonna take me a whole 15 minutes to beat him" and more "yeah it'd only be 15 mins, if that, to kick the shit outta him".
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Skimmed her World Tour stuff:
- When she's projected into the world it causes a "little space-time distortion", which causes the Avatar do float around like there's no gravity as a result of getting caught up in it. Also causes lights to flicker
- When destroying that parallel world she shatters the fabric of space while doing so, and time remains frozen in the main world until she leaves.
- Her Monoids can selectively choose who can perceive them. Given they're just extensions of her power, even to the point of the one in this clip almost says "extension of my power" before correcting itself to say Ingrids power, I'd say Ingrid herself could do the same.
- Can create pocket dimensions, doing so by collecting and compressing infinitesimal tears in space-time from across the cosmos.
- One of Monoids accidentality sends a man to another dimension when he makes contact with it, and when the avatar finds said man the Monoid sends him back, erases his memory, and erases the memory of a woman who saw him suddenly disappear.
- She can duplicate herself
- She specifies that her initial plans to destroy the main universe was to actually "erase it from existence", I think that's notable since iirc we don't automatically give anyone capable of destroying space-time EE because of it, so her specifically calling it out as existence erasure might be noteworthy.
- Her Monoids can absorb wavelengths and shift them to change colours, not gonna be the most useful ability in a fight most of the time but it's neat and there's always gonna be some weirdos with a weakness to, I dunno, the colour yellow
(Of course who would have such a comical weakness) - She can detect irregular energy from other worlds
- Another projection of Ingrid can summon multiple versions of the Avatar and have them fight for her, the implication I'm getting from this mission is that these are the Avatar from different realities
- Says she can take different forms and make others lose consciousness with just a glance
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would the avatar scale to anything? i'm wondering where the avatar stands.
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For Ingrid specifically, who is confirming that this is the same iteration as all those other games (doesnt have to be canon to one another, she is just canon in all of those other verses), then surely it'd mean something?
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Not really, they do fight Dark Ingrid but regular Ingrid fights alongside them and Dark Ingrid when she loses specifically calls out how it wasn't a battle of strength but one of will since it was meant to prove if she should've shown up in the first place. Abilities wise the avatar gets stuff from her moveset, so the light projectiles, teleportation, etc..., but that looks to be about it.
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She recalls Street Fighter Alpha 3, Capcom Fighting Evolution and Project x Zone, no dialogue of her references Pandora or any of the Tekken characters, the others she just plainly says them or we are shown directly or told with obvious titles, like devil hunters clearly reffering to DMC for example
SF x T has no mention of Ingrid in the game itself and the episodic cutscenes has the big 3 corporations of both clash over the box, as opposed to the comic book having Ryu and Chun Li fighting Kazuya and Nina over it
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Well yeah theres no direct reference, but surely for a character that has established she is the same variant in all of these crossover variants, then something like SF x Tekken is fair game surely? Depending where it scales, it'd just be supplementary.
It is specifically Ingrid, and since shes the one overseeing an entire multiverse then i doubt she has any other alternate versions of herself.
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Or simply that crossover doesnt exist in their multiverse at all
Only thing you may get AP/dura wise its the crashing on Antarctica if that even is relevant, from SF cast she gains nothing in stats more impressive then from SF6, while Tekken cast you can only use what the crossover has for them and Pandora power is literally put in 2nd place in the crossover
You dont gain much from it and once again
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Why wouldn't it be???
Ingrid is literally confirmed to have met both SF and Tekken characters, and has been explicitly confirmed as the source origin of the Pandora.
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Look up the comic book and the playstation episodes and try to tell me with a straight face the latter has in any way indication of former being a thing...the fights nearby Pandora dont even match with each other and the game has no mention of alluding to Ingrid
Also she has no mention of Tekken characters as you suggest in SF6, in fact all her references are towards Capcom characters, not others outside it, you try to justify with the multiverse yet when only 3 games are referenced
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Err yeah, it is. The UDON comic acts as a prologue to SF x Tekken and is clearly elaborating on lore that the games didn't provide. Just cause the games don't mention the origins of the Pandora doesnt exclude the additional content made that does elaborate on it.
Also both SF and Tekken are full of a bunch of alternate endings. The one character, Ingrid, who has confirmed to be able to exist and travel to all of them would hardly be affected by any of this when the comic explicitly elaborates she is the origin.
Shes literally referencing Project X Zone 2 when she refers to characters like Dante and Vergil, which surprise, also includes Tekken characters among a bunch of other IPs. Capcom have been treating their IPS like one big multiverse for ages and now SF6 is clearly pushing Ingrid to being able to go to them all.
I dont get why its so mind-boggling to you that out of all these referenced alternate franchises, to the point of even cancelled games, that somehow SF x Tekken is the sore thumb. And now Ingrid is actively showing shes the same as the other iterations.
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really love how Capcom seems to be going all out with Ingrid when it comes to street fighter. She's basically the face of street fighter now.
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This video's title is clickbait, but here, have a weird and really useless input of hers:
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So, the DMC multiverse is just capcom multiverse?
ngl that would be interesting
ngl that would be interesting
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it looks like Ingrid knocks Mai's soul out of her body.
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That would mean according to Ingrid that Project x Zone and Capcom Fighting Evolution are part of it if they are the same
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Some good ass slander
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Was confused on what the slander was until I saw the tweet that was being quoted
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So Dante getting into another universes would become a daily thing for him lol given the Jedah ending and the own DMC shenanigans
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Also, Ingrid would scale to PoC characters which is infinite L1C universes at the very least.
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What's PoC?
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Peak of Combat, it's a Devil May Cry mobile game
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Is that the one where they faked that 11D souls shit?
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I think like 2 guys faked that and tricked everyone including the majority of the DMC supporters, but that got tossed aside ages ago and now they have scans from the game that are actually real. Although I'm not sure if Ingrid would actually scale to PoC characters like Tony suggested she would, crossover scaling do be strict and all that.
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If the capcom multiverse includes DMC then it would obviously include the DMC multiverse that has been a thing ever since Volume 2 came out. PoC just has characters that can nuke the whole thing.
Considering Project X Zone, capcom fighters and that Ingrid references devil hunters one could make an argument that she would, at the very least, scale to a single DMC timeline which is Low 1-C, since her true form is higher dimensional
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Let's not get too zealous with the cross-scaling, because even the characters from PxZ are all alternate versions of their canon ones.
It can very well be a case of the SF multiverse having such alternate versions but not the main ones, everything's so hazy, after all.
It can very well be a case of the SF multiverse having such alternate versions but not the main ones, everything's so hazy, after all.
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I mean, at this point Ingrid is already tier 2 thanks to her own feats in SF6, and I believe that it would be unwise to try to fish for more shit with the greater Capcom's cosmos, better to just stick to what she's 100% part of
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