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Low 1C - 1C Dc Comics Upgrade Attempt For Heralds (Every Universe Destruction Feat Would Be 2A)

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You are gonna see me mentioned a lot about uncountable sets of infinities (Credit to elephant man and myself for finding these sources)

1. Infinite Timelines/Futures At Every Point In Time In The Universe (superboy1949 issue 223)
1.5 Infinite number of variations of a Universe and them still being produced (Superboy 949 issue 117 and justice league the new frontier special 2008)

-Time is infinite 4D Contruct
-There being infinite timelines/futures at every point in time and there being infinite variations of a single universe would likely qualify as uncountable sets of infinities, therefore potential low 1C for a universe/All Timelines in a universe or all timelines in infinite variations of universes
-Infinite timelines themselves existing at every point in time in that universe, would in turn branch more infinite timelines/futures at every point in the other timelines/universes. This process goes on infinitely

this would in turn change every accepted infinite timelines affecting feat from 2A to low 1C such as:

- The Time Trapper sent the energy from an unknown amount of power rings to the time-dimension to destroy all but one possible future (superman 1939 issue 295)
-Time trapper warping all the timelines (Legion of Super-Heroes Vol 4 #4)
- pre crisis supeman Generated enough power to restore all future timelines wiped out by the Time Trapper in his clash with Jaxxon (superman 1939 issue 295)


of course, even people that have gotten the time trapper's powers or fought the time trapper would scale to low 1C like :

-post crisis superman trading blows with superboy prime with powers of the time trapper (Final Crisis: Legion of Three Worlds #4, June 2009)
-Darkseid being consistently comparable to the time trapper (Who's Who in the Legion of Super-Heroes Vol. 1 #7, November 1988) and (Who's Who: The Definitive Directory of the DC Universe Vol. 1 #23, January 1987)
-infinite man stalemated the Time Trapper (Legion of Super-Heroes Vol. 3 #50, September 1988)

theres probably a lot more people that scales to this but im lazy to list 100+ characters bruh



2. Affecting infinite amounts of universes =1C
-now because theres uncountable sets of infinities/timelines in 1 universe (while it continuously branches out more infinite timelines) and there being infinite variations of a single universe, affecting an infinite amount of different universes would be an extra uncountable set of infinities = +1D , therefore 6D

already accepted things like :

-Anti monitor Absorbed the Anti-Matter Universe which had already absorbed an infinite number of universes would be 1C
-mobius caused an Anti-Matter wave that targeted all worlds in all times, intending on destroying the infinite universes (Crisis on Infinite Earths Vol 1 #10, January 1986) and (Crisis on Infinite Earths Vol 1 #5, August 1985)
-Spectre's first key would also be affected with this as he Overcame the Anti-Monitor at the dawn of time and caused the multiverse to be rewritten (crisis on infinite earths 1985 issue 10)


2.5 Infinite Universes/1C Structure Inside the Central Power Battery
-inside the central power battery is willword, a realm described as an infinite sea, with their being infinite bubbles, each bubble containing a universe

the statement that the time trapper made about infinite timelines at every point in time in the universe (which would branch out more infinite timelines/universes ) and there being infinite variations of a single universe, should also apply for the universes inside the big battery. This would mean, everyone that can affect the battery would scale to 1C such as when :

-ion hosts, ion himself or anyone relative to ion like ion kyle rayner who Used up his power to recreate the entire Green Lantern Central Power Battery (Green Lantern Vol. 3 #150, July 2002)
-hal jordan defeated Krona (Green Lantern Vol. 4 #67, August 2011) who restrained the emotional entities including ion and used their powers
(Green Lantern Vol. 4 #62,63 and 64)

once again, anyone who can scale to ion like superboy prime, hal and 50+ other characters would scale to 1C


3.If all else fails........
if you dont agree with the other points

you have to accept that a single universe destruction feat would be 2A since the universe still contains the central power battery which has infinite universes inside of it if you also ignore the uncountable sets of infinities


TLDR
1. anyone that can affect all uncountable sets of timelines in the universe or in one of willworld's universe;s would be low 1C
2.anyone that can affect an infinite amount of universes with these uncountable sets of timelines would be 1C
2.5.anyone that can affect the central power battery would be 1C as its just the same as point 2
3. destroying a universe in dc would be 2A as the universe contains the central power battery which has infinite universes contained inside of it
 
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I think we should really slow down on the DC Comics threads. I do believe DC Heralds should be firmly within Tier 1 but let's wait for the many other threads to conclude first.
 
Hecky2222 said:
I think i told you today, i will ask qaw something like this, but wankers can't wait
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i know pookie
but i ask certain "people" and discussed with them and they seem to either dont know or agree with me

so i just posted this cuz waiting wont do much, we will see what happens and see if the uncountable infinities experts have anything to say
 
Bimgus8010 said:
so i just posted this cuz waiting wont do much, we will see what happens and see if the uncountable infinities experts have anything to say
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I think we should really slow down on the DC Comics threads. I do believe DC Heralds should be firmly within Tier 1 but let's wait for the many other threads to conclude first. Be patient. The longer you work on a thread, the better it will be.
 
I agree that we really should slow down on the dc herald upgrades, especially because nearly all the good feats are either from Superman a green lantern or a flash or someone only those characters have direct scaling to, and Superman and green lanterns and flashes all vary so they don’t really work as a way to scale all dc herald tier characters, and while upgrading the dc heralds before you split the scaling because of varies mechanics is a route it probably isn’t the best route to make every single dc herald be 1-C
 
Rgerdeena said:
I agree that we really should slow down on the dc herald upgrades, especially because nearly all the good feats are either from Superman a green lantern or a flash or someone only those characters have direct scaling to, and Superman and green lanterns and flashes all vary so they don’t really work as a way to scale all dc herald tier characters, and while upgrading the dc heralds before you split the scaling because of varies mechanics is a route it probably isn’t the best route to make every single dc herald be 1-C
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yea?

i mostly care about our main heralds in the justice league, superboy prime and villains like darkseid,nekron and anti monitor to get that scaling

i wouldnt care about cheetah or random new gods to be that tuff
 
Realistically i wanted to ask this scan from Qawsed so i think it is too early to argue even(Considering OP has zero knowledge about aleph 0 sets) so it is better to be closed for now bc for other staff more infinite things would seem as "Higher to 2-A"
 
This can wait as there are other things being covered.

No offense but I have a far more rigorous explanation for this exact topic as well as already determining which characters would scale that I will get to eventually.

There are some things worth pointing out that need correction:
  • Post-Crisis high tier heralds like Superman are staying 2A - Superman has the Red King feat and Green Lanterns have the Will World feat.
  • Pre-Crisis high tier heralds will be low-1C
  • WillWorld contains a countable infinite number of realities. It is not by any means low-1C
  • The total number of timelines produced in a single universe is equivalent to a 6D structure. (Only beings like the universal incarnation of the Time Trapper scale to this)
  • Destroying a universe does not have any relation to the Central Power Battery. Typical universe destruction feats are still low-2C unless provably shown otherwise.
 
PromptedElephant641 said:
WillWorld contains a countable infinite number of realities. It is not by any means low-1C

Destroying a universe does not have any relation to the Central Power Battery. Typical universe destruction feats are still low-2C unless provably shown otherwise.

Post-Crisis high tier heralds like Superman are staying 2A - Superman has the Red King feat and Green Lanterns have the Will World feat.
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-if you do not include what the time trapper said about there being uncountable sets of infinities/timelines inside a universe, it would be 2A

which is point 3 of my post

-the big battery thing is located inside of the universe, destroying the universe would mean destroying the battery

-superman red king feat is fine but the green lanterns willworld feat isnt
 
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Elizio33 and I have already gone over and agreed on the High-1A thing and have settled aall of the reasoning in immense detail in the main discussion thread. But that has no bearing on what is being discussed here as the thread topic has nothing to do with High-1A.
 
How about this: This thread is closed for now. You two and the other DC supporters work together to make a better one once all the current threads are resolved and we try again?
 
Bimgus8010 said:
yea?

i mostly care about our main heralds in the justice league, superboy prime and villains like darkseid,nekron and anti monitor to get that scaling

i wouldnt care about cheetah or random new gods to be that tuff
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If you only want to upgrade the big heralds you should preferably at least include it in the OP, because the way it’s worded now makes it seem like every herald tier will be 1-C
 
Hecky2222 said:
Realistically i wanted to ask this scan from Qawsed so i think it is too early to argue even(Considering OP has zero knowledge about aleph 0 sets) so it is better to be closed for now bc for other staff more infinite things would seem as "Higher to 2-A"
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cmon hecky, you gotta take risks to get answers

ive talked to a lot of people and i dont get clear and cut answers, i figured making a thread would be the best thing to get the answer
 
Rgerdeena said:
If you only want to upgrade the big heralds you should preferably at least include it in the OP, because the way it’s worded now makes it seem like every herald tier will be 1-C
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theres like a lot of characters........even for the main ones........im too dumb to remember every single one of them
 
AyOgUyS said:
How about this: This thread is closed for now. You two and the other DC supporters work together to make a better one once all the current threads are resolved and we try again?
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just let this thread exist

i dont mind it being up for months

ant already tagged staffs for the other 2 threads i made

this can wait, maybe some uncountable infinites experts can come in and gave good input
 
I have already discussed this in the main dc discussion thread but I will state it again here:

  • At each point in a universe’s timeline there are uncountably infinite timelines created.
  • There are uncountably infinite points in a universe’s timeline.
  • This means that in total there are Aleph2 timelines produced by a single universe.
  • There are uncountably infinite labeled / numbered / officially designated universes in the Multiverse as such there are Aleph3 timelines in the multiverse.
 
Bimgus8010 said:
cmon hecky, you gotta take risks to get answers

ive talked to a lot of people and i dont get clear and cut answers, i figured making a thread would be the best thing to get the answer
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Sure, js i have problems with wording otherwise i can see what is argument
 
PromptedElephant641 said:
I have already discussed this in the main dc discussion thread but I will state it again here:

  • At each point in a universe’s timeline there are uncountably infinite timelines created.
  • There are uncountably infinite points in a universe’s timeline.
  • This means that in total there are Aleph2 timelines produced by a single universe.
  • There are uncountably infinite labeled / numbered / officially designated universes in the Multiverse as such there are Aleph3 timelines in the multiverse.
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bro, im tryna lowball this
i know you wanted to aim for 8D

but you can see if my thread pass or not since i used some of your points

if it doesnt passed, you can improve your args
if it passes, it makes your job easier to make 8D thread shorter since 6D passes
 
PromptedElephant641 said:
I have already discussed this in the main dc discussion thread but I will state it again here:

  • At each point in a universe’s timeline there are uncountably infinite timelines created.
  • There are uncountably infinite points in a universe’s timeline.
  • This means that in total there are Aleph2 timelines produced by a single universe.
  • There are uncountably infinite labeled / numbered / officially designated universes in the Multiverse as such there are Aleph3 timelines in the multiverse.
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Brochacho can you provide scans for this please?
 
Should I close this thread? 🙏
 
Antvasima said:
Should I close this thread? 🙏
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No

I need input from uncountable sets of infinities experts

Do you know some staffs who knows these things?

Cuz I asked a lot of people including some staffs and even I mostly got "idk" as answers
 
Hecky2222 said:
I think you can call @Qawsedf234 cuz only relevant scan is this



if it doesn't qualify for aleph 0 obv thread is automatically rejected
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Hold on, I'ma add 2 more scans that can help, I just remembered about 2 scans that are important



Infinite number of variations of a Universe and them still being produced

Superboy 949 issue 117 and justice league the new frontier special 2008
 
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Rgerdeena said:
I agree that we really should slow down on the dc herald upgrades, especially because nearly all the good feats are either from Superman a green lantern or a flash or someone only those characters have direct scaling to, and Superman and green lanterns and flashes all vary so they don’t really work as a way to scale all dc herald tier characters, and while upgrading the dc heralds before you split the scaling because of varies mechanics is a route it probably isn’t the best route to make every single dc herald be 1-C
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This I agree with.
 
Rgerdeena said:
I agree that we really should slow down on the dc herald upgrades, especially because nearly all the good feats are either from Superman a green lantern or a flash or someone only those characters have direct scaling to, and Superman and green lanterns and flashes all vary so they don’t really work as a way to scale all dc herald tier characters, and while upgrading the dc heralds before you split the scaling because of varies mechanics is a route it probably isn’t the best route to make every single dc herald be 1-C
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Tbh Mother Blood herself has a 1-C feat and Raven directly upscale to her so it would would kinda expand the scaling
 
Lloydblitzed said:
Tbh Mother Blood herself has a 1-C feat and Raven directly upscale to her so it would would kinda expand the scaling
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Eh, it’s probably going to get treated as an outlier unless Raven has a varies mechanic, which would cause it to only scale to her, but who knows maybe it’ll get all dc heralds to 1-C
 
Rgerdeena said:
Eh, it’s probably going to get treated as an outlier unless Raven has a varies mechanic, which would cause it to only scale to her, but who knows maybe it’ll get all dc heralds to 1-C
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Raven herself is above Neron and has scaling to Starfire who's one of the strongest Alien on Earth so I don't think it should be considered as such
 
Antvasima said:
@Qawsedf234

Should we close this thread, or is there anything worthwhile within it? 🙏
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The second series of scans are just 2-A.
Hecky2222 said:
doesn't qualify for aleph 0 obv thread is automatically rejected
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If there are an infinite number of universes generated at every point in time, and those universes themselves can split infinitely at every point in time it would be a Power Set of Universes (Low 1-C).

But to my knowledge of Pre-Crisis, the most consistent depiction is infinite universes at different vibrational frequencies, which isn't Tier 1 generally.
 
Qawsedf234 said:
The second series of scans are just 2-A.
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1.Wouldn't each universe have the uncountable sets of infinities of timelines/futures?

Which the anti monitor absorbed all the uncountable sets of infinities in all infinite universes?

The same thing would apply for the infinite universes inside the central power battery, that they have uncountable sets of infinities inside of each of them?

And wouldn't a 1 tier jump not be a problem?


They already have a lot of 2A feats so jumping to low 1C shouldn't make what the time trapper said an outlier or something
 
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