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Theres more after the timsetamp in the video i sent. He talks about the clouds reaching enough density to block out the sun and create the endless rain (which should have a value)

They dont need to pass stuff, but we definitely need a basis for Yuma in the Mystery Labyrinth. I dont think he scales to Shinigami AP directly so its better to have a feat for him to fall back on.

Ugh, the shitty optimization of this site pisses me off. Anyway. I’ll look into those. I was thinking building level for him though, since the gates he and Shinigami break are bigger than the walls she breaks. I’ll look into some of these though

As for each feat; the clock tower collapse wouldn’t yield too high since he didn’t really destroy the building. The text can really be measured since we don’t know what material it’s made of and all. The train is just one car, so I’d say it’s only wall level anyway, but he also only redirects it a bit. His explosions are the one thing I could calculate that may get something good. Anywhere from wall to small building level, I’d estimate

Ran the numbers fast. Can do an official calc later. But yeah, none of those Yuma feats go above wall level. And I don’t think a calc is necessary for that, as he break through wooden doors. Again though, I do think Building level would be reasonable due to the gates he breaks, which at bare minimum are bigger than the walls Shinigami breaks. We just can’t really calculate how much bigger

I did the cloud feat! And I’m gonna redo the explosion feat. I think it may actually be higher than I initially gave it credit for

Thank you.
Makoto does say its ideal conditions for generating rain clouds, so i reckon assumptions can be made as quality as possible (these rain clouds were constantly running for 3 years). Kanai Ward is deemed a 'city' and good catch on that statement about it being bigger than Tokyo (Kanai Ward is based off an amalgamation of different cities such as Tokyo, Paris, London etc.) Idk cloud calcs itself but Kanai Ward is definitely big so

Explosion calc should deff be higher than wall level. Theres two instances of that explosion from Yuma, and the aftermath was that both him and Shinigami fell from being on a building top. Theres no direct shwoing of it destroying the building theyre on top of (its in the Mystery Labyrinth) but still.

Yeah, I think the Multi City Block to Large Town level for the cloud feat sounds about right. As for which method is taken, I know little enough about cloud calcs that I’ll let that be up to whichever calc group member evaluates it

And yeah, for the size, I was really looking. I found that though, and that was cool. It was kind of a vague statement, but I know Kanai ward is intended to be very big, so I think using Tokyo as reference should be fine

With the explosion calc, we just aren’t given much reference. For the size, I definitely have that part right, albeit low balled since we can’t see the full thing. But the pressure is tricky, since we obviously don’t see it destroy a building, but it basically reduced the concrete they stood on to dust. If I can find a way to estimate the size of that, I could probably use the pulverization value of concrete to calculate the destruction

Oh! I almost forgot this. Mystery phantoms at least sometimes turn to dust when defeated, right? I don’t even really need to calculate that, going to the references for common feats place that at small building level. So we could place him at least there

We see blocks of the building get flung out with that explosion at the least before it turns to white. Just cant be sure.

Mystery Phantoms are made up of Qs, which when ig they cant fight anymore (All mysteries they attempt to conceal become exposed), they will be 'defeated' and dematerialise. Otherwise they cant be permanently injured. Theyre just a construct of the ML

Hm I see. In that case, I might have calculated it the best I could’ve, unfortunately. Explosions are tricky, because unless we see them destroy stuff, it’s hard to do anything but low ball them

Also, yeah. That’s also a thing. It’s hard to tell when something is just a function of the labyrinth or not

Also Jesus. My phone freezes every time I try to use this site specifically. They really need to get it fixed. Makes it hard to discuss things on here

Heyo,
I saw the explosion calc got accepted which is cool. Even if you can imply it destroyed that building, the fact it wasnt shown (and the fact all the characters just casually withstand it) is decent enough! Hopefully the other two can get accepted as well.

For this blog: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U..._through_a_giant_wall_and_kicks_a_metal_balls, you dont mind quickly splitting both the wall and the ball feats separately by headers? Just so i can link certain sections to it.
Also the balls are Iron, not steel. Running the numbers by replacing the steel density value with Irons (7870kg/m^3), the final value should be 117239723349 Joules. This is still City Block so its chill but i'd adjust the calc (and notify the mod who approved it?)

Also ive decided to try and make Makoto's profile first. Yuma's has a good base, but given how similar Makoto and Yuma will be in parts, it'll be a good test base to publish first (and then i can reuse certain aspects like the Forte, Solution Blade etc.)
Think ill scale them to Shinigami's Iron Ball feat (City Block). Makoto in his huge form does tank a direct charged punch from Shinigami (then gets takenn out by Yuma's logic, but still survives and keeps fighting. Should be at least a minimum, and then ill play with the possibility of them being much higher (since Mystery Phantoms of the 'culprit' are the ones that give full power to the Mystery Labyrinth and actively fight against to protect it. It's only once theyre exhausted and cornered can shinigami actually reap them.)

They’re Separated by headers now!

I see! That makes sense! Good idea

Are you gonna wait for the cloud feat to be evaluated first?

Ill wait for the feats to be evaluated before publishing but ofc no reason not to make a start. Makoto is pretty investing

The cloud feat in itself i wont put in any stats and instead just link its calculated energy in the section i'm mentioning it in. It isnt an essential calc but just gives us a good idea the level of power and contraption Makoto can make from nothing on a time crunch.

Makes sense! I think that’s the last calc we’re waiting for that will lead to a new stat. Everything else is really just supporting evidence

Also rename the 'Shinigami Kicks down a wall' to 'Shinigami Breaks down a wall' for accuracy. Just a small mistake

Fixed! I mean I changed it to busts through a wall. But either way, it’s accurate now haha. Good catch

Here, im asking this in regards to how we should scale the Mystery Labyrinth but i think the possibility of 3-A is debatable enough to include. Makoto was directly using its power ofc, as well as copying borrowed power from Shinigami.

Also i published Makoto's profile: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Makoto_Kagutsuchi

Awesome! I think it would be good to have a third opinion. I think the way you listed it right now is fine

Small fix though. Rain Code is currently High Hypersonic, not High Hypersonic+

ty lemme fix that

Finally made Yuma's page! Kinda half-assed the intelligence section but can always go back and re-edit (or just thin out other pages' sections.)

Just Shinigami to go (who shouldnt take as long)

Im thinking of upgrading Vivia to possibly 8-B within the Mystery Labyrinth due to his clash with Yuma (with the same explanations), as well as the possibility of 9-C for Desuhiko based on his novel feats.