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1/3 Yeah

1.5. Would call Promethues or Ace fire when they're not attacking/passive as strong as it is when they're attacking/fighting.

2. That's cause her ice is a direct counter to Kanzebo fire, that's why it couldn't phase thru. Like Ace vs Kuzan

3.5. Ye, it helps that Momo did endure some hit from GB too.

1. Garbage logic, using that same logic base Luffy without hao would be comparable to hybrid Kaidou and he isn't.

2. We give her ice NPI exactly for the fact it interacted with it. Her ice stopped it phasing.

3. Yet like I said previously there's no consistent scaling that puts her at that level (and honestly quite a few antifeats)

3.5 He bit Kaidou with sharp dragon teeth and couldn't even pierce his skin/scales to draw blood and he never matched Greenbull.

@Fireld

1.5. There's a difference between shooting out fire like Ace, and being literally made of a constant fire ball of heat. Prometheus's heat can be controlled, hence why Big Mom can ride on him. Kazenbo is just a flaming uncontrollable fireball. Nothing was stated about it lowering or increasing its heat levels.

2. Still, if it had dura neg, it should've been able to break her ice.

3. Momo's Bolo breath blew a hole right through Greenbull, and his bite still made Kaido scream in pain.

2. It negates durability via phasing through people, her ice prevents it from phasing thus preventing it from negating durability.

3. Momo wasn't stronger than Greenbull.

3. He was certainly on a casual Greenbull's level (which still puts him above King).

1.5 The Kazenbo has a mind of it's own & can control its fiery body like Prometheus/Ace

2. Ace has durability negation but that didn't help him against Aokiji either.

3. Only the Bolo Breath scale above GB. Momo normal AP/Durability would be ~<GB. GB used piercing against King while he didn't on Momo

3. Maybe with Boro breath but not with anything else, he was easily overpowering MOMO and damaged him from just throwing him to the ground/smacking him, against King and Queen he used his piercing attacks which seemingly are imbued with Koka; on top of that they absorb nutrients.

1.5. Then why did it crash into Orochi and kill him with fire? Tbf I kinda forget why it did that.

2. That's only for one of his moves that he used against Blackbeard, IIRC. The spear one.

3. He took 2 blows and then got slammed into the ground by Greenbull, and got nothing more than bruises, even though he was focused on just telling Yamato why she shouldn't fight Greenbull.

3. This is what happened:


In conclusion, nothing in that fights suggests Momo was comparable to Greenbull or that Momo was stronger than King.

I looked at the colored version of the slam, and I don't think that was blood near Momo's mouth. Looked like rubble to me.

Also, Momo took 2 hits while talking to Yamato that just bruised him.

But I think that this argument has kind of derailed from my original question: Should Sanji's feats against Drake be added to his Onigashima key?

I mean, Emin, you accepted that his mouth being hit and bleeding was due to it being the same as human Queen, so it's not as durable as his normal Zoan self.

Thus, Zoan Drake taking a hit from it probably wouldn't be an outlier, since Base Queen is nowhere near as durable as Zoan Queen and probably isn't as tough as Zoan Drake either (base Drake is a different story).

That colored version you used is a random fan coloring, that shit ain't accurate at all.

Don't know where the second hit is at in that panel you showed me, but yeah he got hit there and there is blood shown coming out of his mouth, and once again based on the SFX it cracked his bones. Once again not just a bruise and further proof momo isn't relative to Greenbull.

I already answered this, Onigashima Sanji isn't the same as Early Wano Sanji. Just because Sanji didn't train doesn't mean he didn't get stronger.

1. The first hit slammed him down, the second one hit him in the cheek.

2. But Onigashima Sanji taking a tail swipe wouldn't be an outlier like if it was Early Wano Sanji.

1. Don't see a hit in that panel.

2. Honestly why do you care? Genuinely I don't understand why irrelevant scaling consisting around the likes of Apoo/Drake/Sanji/Queen keeps getting discussed when it changes absolutely nothing for them, they all already have consistent enough scaling to High 6-A. Scaling him to getting smacked by a casual swing just creates more inconsistencies such as Drake no selling his attack; which even ignoring the nonsense with Queen would still essentially mean Drake no-sold an attack comparable to King's AP and would mean Page One scales above King for ultimately overpowering that version of Sanji.

Tbf, Sanji matched a King who was not expecting Sanji to match his kick. Once King knew Sanji was there, he throttled him with one hand and restrained him with a neckhold.

No one expects someone to match them when they clash unless they had done so prior, grabbing him by his neck has literally no effect on that clash. But none of that matters, change King to Hybrid Queen and it's the same result; you end up with a Drake that can no sell Calamity tier attacks & a page one who's relative/greater than the calamities.

Oof, you guys continued without me.
@Eseseso
1.5 I forgot too why it did that, maybe it had enough of him? I'll recheck it later. But if the Kanzebo was really mindless/out of control it wouldn't have retreeted after the bomb exploded nor try search for Orochi in specific.
@Eminiteable
1. I think Eseseso's talking about this panel? I was gonna use Momo quickly recovering after the GB beatdown as a regen feat in the Wano Ctr in the works(likely a side-effect from having Kaido's lineage factor/fruit).

The Page One fight was before Sanji had been affected by wearing the Suit twice.

Sanji comments that his body began feeling weird only after wearing it three times, so Sanji not wearing the raid suit before/during the page one fight isn't relevant.

@Eseseso Sorry for bringing up this again but it think i figured out why, the Kazenbo attacked Orochi in the end after the bomb plan failed, made sense. And about BM not getting burned by Prometheus; she constantly covered with armament haki like Kaido which grants her heat resistance.

Wait, didn't Sanji say he was feeling weird after the second time he used the Raid Suit and not the third time?