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KingPin0422
KingPin0422
Sure thing. What do you need, exactly?
ThePirateKing777
ThePirateKing777
Well for starters are the works of writers like August Derleth and Ramsey Campbell considered canon?

If so that I have info of Derleth’s novel “The Lurker of The Threshold” where in the story The Elder Gods are depicted in being the top dogs of the mythos and are said to be the creators of Azathoth and Ubbo-Sathla and made them their slaves. Azzy and Ubbo then created the Great Old Ones to be servants of the elder gods as well. This information can be found in “The Horror in the Gallery”.

After that Ubbo in an act of rebellion, stole the Elder Records, a library of tablets that contained various knowledge of the Elder Gods. Ubbo-Sathla invoked the powers he learned from the tablets, and thus the Earth fell from its original plane into the actual universe.

Not long after, the Elder Gods entered the universe and instaured their power in Betelgeuse. They broke into a war with the The great old ones with Azathoth as their leader. It was a cosmic upheaval akin to Lucifer's rebellion in Christian mythology.

In a passage attributed to the Necronomicon of Abdul Alhazred, Derleth writes:

“(T)hose daring to oppose the Elder Godswho ruled from Betelgueze, the Great Old Ones who fought against the Elder Gods...were instructed by Azathoth, who is the blind idiot god, and by Yog-Sothoth....”

In The End The Elder Gods stood victorious and imprisoned the Great old ones in the Earth or other planets and dimensions as well as punishing Azathoth by rendering him mindless and blind.

in the future The Outer Gods and The Elder Gods Will do battle again with The Elders winning in the end.

“Then shal They return & on this great Return'g shal ye Great Cthulhu be fre'd from R'lyeh beneath ye Sea & Him Who Is Not To Be Nam'd shal come from His City which is Carcosa near ye Lake of Hali, & Shub-Niggurath shal come forth & mulitiply in his Hideousness, & Nyarlathotep shal carry ye word to all the Gr. Old Ones & their Minions, & Cthugha shal lay His Hand upon all that oppose Him & Destroy, & ye blind idiot, ye noxious Azathoth shal arise from ye middle of ye World where all is Chaos & Destruction where He hath bubbl'd & blasphem'd at Ye centre which is of All Things, which is to say Infinity, & Yog-Sothoth, who is ye All-in-One & One-in-All, shal bring his globes, & Ithaqua shal walk again, & from ye black-litt'n caverns within ye Earth shal come Tsathoggua, & togeth'r shal take possession of Earth and all things that live upon it, & shal prepare to do battle with ye Elder Gods when ye Lord of ye Great Abyss is apprised of their return'g & shal come with His Brothers to disperse ye Evil.”
ThePirateKing777
ThePirateKing777
I also feel it’s noteworthy that originally the story was but short fragments written by Lovecraft then published as a collaboration between Derleth and Lovecraft with 1,200 of the words in the novel were written by Lovecraft.

The total number of words were 50,000.
KingPin0422
KingPin0422
No, we do not recognize the works of August Derleth as canon to Lovecraft's Cthulhu Mythos. The reason for this is that Derleth's contributions to the Cthulhu Mythos largely contradict what was written by the rest of the Lovecraft Circle, with the Elder God stuff you mentioned being one of the strongest examples. If we ever decided to write profiles for the Cthulhu Mythos as told by Derleth, then they would have to be treated as a separate continuity, like how we separate Dragon Ball GT from the main Dragon Ball profiles.
ThePirateKing777
ThePirateKing777
And what of the family tree? The one Lovecraft drew up charting his and fellow writer Clark Ashton Smith's (a friend of his who jokingly claimed descent from Jupiter) shared descent from Azathoth, through Lovecraft's creation Nyarlathotep and Clark-Smith's Tsathoggua, respectively. Is it still relevant?

after this question will be my last question about the relationship of Yog-Sothoth, Azathoth, The Supreme Archetype.
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