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You can be accidentally dishonest Deagonx and that’s not a bad thing. Just as you can be ignorant and that’s not a bad thing either. If I know nothing about say the Russian language, and I make a claim using the Russian language as a basis, I am being dishonest. Not intentionally so mind you. I am in no means attacking your character whatsoever.

I find it manipulative however when you delete all of my messages explaining to you that I’m not calling you a liar or deceitful. It’s poor taste man. You need to understand that people can make ignorant arguments that produce unintentionally dishonest claims and that’s not a bad thing. It happens.

Anyway, I’ll cease discussing that in thread as to not derail.

You are incorrect, the word "dishonest" inherently includes deceit. It is impossible to use it in a way that does not assign intent, even if you wish to do so. Do not use it against other people in the future.

By definition dishonesty doesn’t inherently make you intentionally deceitful.

That link lists the word "deceptive" right next to it as a synonym.

It's fine if you remain unconvinced, I am not attempting to change your mind, I'm just clarifying the rules. Do not use that word against other people here, phrase it differently without using words like "dishonest" or "lie" or et cetera.

So one of the definitions of dishonest is “characterized by lack of truth”. Which is the definition I was adhering to. Nowhere in there does it imply intentional deceit, only that the thing in question can be characterized by a non-truth. Like I don’t know how else to tell you that I, Arc7Kuroi, am not calling you, Deagonx, intentionally deceitful. I’d really appreciate it if you stopped accusing me of such. It’s just blatant slander to my character.

You linked me to a page just now which reads:

dishonest implies a willful perversion of truth in order to deceive, cheat, or defraud.

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That's on the page you linked. If you don't believe me, check.

Like I don’t know how else to tell you that I, Arc7Kuroi, am not calling you, Deagonx, intentionally deceitful. I’d really appreciate it if you stopped accusing me of such. It’s just blatant slander to my character.

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I understand, but you seem to misunderstand me. I am not here to characterize your intent. My correction was not based on what I believed you meant, it was based on what you said, the words you used. My purpose here is twofold:

a) Correcting a misunderstanding about the meaning of the word "dishonest"

b) Issue instructions on future conduct.

I do not need you to accept (a) necessarily, your notion of the word is not really my business. However, (b) is crucial. Regardless of what you believe the word means, I am instructing you not to use it in the way that you have, as -- per the page you linked to me -- it implies a willful perversion of truth in order to deceive. You used it incorrectly.

The page I linked defines dishonest primarily as characterized by a lack of truth. The definition does not need to inherently include intentional deceit. It can but it doesn’t have to inherently.

Did you find the quote I referenced on the link?

You know what. I apologize for upsetting you with my comment in the thread. I’ll ensure that won’t happen again. Thank you for pointing out this to me.

You know what. I apologize for upsetting you with my comment in the thread. I’ll ensure that won’t happen again

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This concerns me, because I don't want your main takeaway to be "I upset Deagon." I'm not all that concerned about what you said about me, people have said much worse. It is that you should not use the word "dishonest" against other people on the forum in the manner you did. I noticed that you cut off the words in the definition that came after "lack of truth" and you are being evasive about recognizing that the link you gave literally states that dishonest implies deception. But Merriam-Webster is not the only dictionary in the world, so let me show you some others:

deceptive or fraudulent; disposed to cheat or defraud or deceive

not honest; disposed to lie, cheat, or steal; not worthy of trust or belief:

Now, again, it's fine if you go forth thinking that "dishonest" ever means something other than intentional deceit. It's not fine if you go forth with the intention of calling other people that in the future here. Please do not, it will always be interpreted as an attack on their character no matter what words you surround it with.

Right I apologize for not being more receptive and aware of other definitions of the word dishonest that I was not previously well acquainted with. I do not wish to continue talking with you, so I will not engage you beyond this message.

Deagonx, we don't care.