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1. IIRC, in Toj It says that she's a Goddess, but she's both a Goddess and her own Avatar. It also states in ToJ that she's multiple other feminine deities throughout the universe such as Kali and the Morrigan.
2. Both are canon. ToJ Gehenna states the Novel is canon, same with 20th edition Vampire.
3. Her main weakness is the fact that she has multiple avatars, which for a God makes her vulnerable, though it'd be incredibly stupid to attempt anything on either avatar.
4. Not really, the final scream of Zappathrustra echoed into the other realms and had an effect in other Tapestries and Umbras but this doesn't mean much, he didn't damage anything and the extent of the changes are completely unknown. Even if I were to say it shook those Umbras, it would be an insane outlier for where Vampires are in the world.

1. In the book, titled in a box as 'on avatars' , it stated that she's not a goddess in the full sense of the word since she has a physical body, is this you referring here right?
2. The novel gehenna: the final night is canon too?
3. Not that kind of weakness but weakness like sunlight, age, faith, love and anger that stated in the book that tells us about Lilith powers(it is also titled too). What do you think of this especially about the weakness 'age'?
4. What do you mean it would be an insane outlier for where vampires are in the world?

1. Yeah, Lilith possesses a physical body that's also her avatar, while Gods usually are abstract with no "main" body at all.
2. Probably.
3. Ah, Age being her weakness is that her idea on humanity and such is informed by when she was around, which was hundreds of thousands of years ago chronologically, Vampires have the same weakness, they can't blend into a society they don't understand. Sunlight is a metaphor for God, ala "God is the sun casting illumination on everything", it's also why Vampires can't go into the sun, they're banished from God's sight.
4. Vampires of the highest order barely cross into Planetary, 99% of the other vampires are just so far below that, to argue Ante are like Tier 0 based on affecting the Umbra seems like an insane overestimation of their abilities.

3. It also stated that she has a mortal body so can it be possible that she isn't immortal?
4. Barely cross into planetary? Ravnos was able to make a universe right? So him reaching tier 0 isn't not that bad. I mean malkav and the word eater along with Caine have tier 0 hax so antes reaching that kinda level isn't a overestimation imo. Btw do antes are equal to archmages?

3. She's definitely immortal, given Adam died about 100,000 years ago chronologically. Just that a sufficiently powerful being (I.e another God) were to destroy her body, it would "kill" her as much as a God can die, which isn't much given Dead gods still do stuff. Still though, it likely wouldn't be a good time for her.
4. Ravnos never made a universe himself, it's just an ability the Ravnos have generally with the details for it being super vague. Malkav might not have Word Eater's abilities, as for Word Eater, that's just 0 hax, Caine also might not have Word Eater's hax, since Word Eater didn't get his powers from Malkav but from a unique mutation within himself.

It's why Caine wouldn't have all the Tremere magick.

As for Antes v Archmages, feats wise, no. They're in different weight classes