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SheevShezarrine
Btw, what are some feats that 7th Gen vamps scale to? Just going by Bloodlines they seem like they're 9-A, but it seems kinda odd for them to be total wimps compared to the 6th Gens that are just a generation superior to them. Do they got any feats scaling them to 7-C Mummies, perhaps?
SheevShezarrine
Another tangential question: how does this affect WoD's tiering?
Udlmaster
I wouldn't necessarily rank based on Generation alone.
I'd rank them based on what's their maximum Dot, so do they have Dot 3 or 4?
Some Low generation vampires have few Dots due to diablorie, so they have yet to make use of their superior generation.
Likewise, some higher genes can become stronger than their masters, which is how diablorie often happens.
I'd rank them based on what's their maximum Dot, so do they have Dot 3 or 4?
Some Low generation vampires have few Dots due to diablorie, so they have yet to make use of their superior generation.
Likewise, some higher genes can become stronger than their masters, which is how diablorie often happens.
Udlmaster
As for Ultima's thread, it just makes all the Tier 0s on the site High 1-A except for I AM THAT I AM, who doesn't even have a profile yet lol
SheevShezarrine
Ah I see. Displayed/categorized strength such as feats and Dots respectively take precedent in scaling over Generation, then. Are Dots pretty consistent across game lines? For example, a VtM PC and a WtA PC both with 7 Dots in Strength would have the same max on bench press, not counting their supernatural physicals buffs?
Udlmaster
Nah, they're completely different.
MtA has the highest Dot scaling with their magick but the lowest on their physicals.
Likewise, Werewolf has by far and away the highest physical scaling
And Vampire is in the middle.
So functionally, they're all case by case. As for Dot 7 v Dot 7 Strength, they're supposed to be the same across the gamelines, but they never are in story.
MtA has the highest Dot scaling with their magick but the lowest on their physicals.
Likewise, Werewolf has by far and away the highest physical scaling
And Vampire is in the middle.
So functionally, they're all case by case. As for Dot 7 v Dot 7 Strength, they're supposed to be the same across the gamelines, but they never are in story.
SheevShezarrine
I have some more questions regarding the physiology page
I'm kinda at a loss for resistances. I'm aware of some (such as vamps with high humanity being able to null bits of the vampiric curse), but given that by virtue of VtM being a ttrpg first and foremost, where technically the characters get the chance to resist just about any attack in the game, should that be noted in their resistances or just chalked up to purely game mechanics?
Also, do you know what resources I could consult to get the stat spreads for NPCs, such as Nines, Jeanette, Dracula, Jack, etc.?
I'm kinda at a loss for resistances. I'm aware of some (such as vamps with high humanity being able to null bits of the vampiric curse), but given that by virtue of VtM being a ttrpg first and foremost, where technically the characters get the chance to resist just about any attack in the game, should that be noted in their resistances or just chalked up to purely game mechanics?
Also, do you know what resources I could consult to get the stat spreads for NPCs, such as Nines, Jeanette, Dracula, Jack, etc.?
Udlmaster
Yeah, the ability to resist spells is noted as a part of their inherent physiology, just like in D&D.
As for the stats, look for the most recent version of their stats (following the canonical hierarchy of 20th first)
As for the stats, look for the most recent version of their stats (following the canonical hierarchy of 20th first)
SheevShezarrine
What sorta materials should I look for stat spreads in? I've got a pdf of the VtM 20th corebook but couldn't find spreads for specific NPCs in it, only for enemy types such as Garou.
I'm not a stickler for Scans, just a reference like