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  1. Ultima_Reality

    The commoners thread: Discussing Ultima's "On the Many, Many Incoherences of the Tiering System"

    The Force is probably 0.
  2. Ultima_Reality

    The commoners thread: Discussing Ultima's "On the Many, Many Incoherences of the Tiering System"

    I'd say that depends on quite a few factors and ultimately kinda just falls into a similar area as the idea of using something from a 1-A realm to ascend past your reality. A lot of verses have this common trope of some power source that, by nature, is just "for the taking," so to speak, in...
  3. Ultima_Reality

    The commoners thread: Discussing Ultima's "On the Many, Many Incoherences of the Tiering System"

    Not really, I'd say. A higher being could just have the ability to shift states of reality, after all. You'd need that to be depicted in a really wacky way for it to end up as an anti-feat.
  4. Ultima_Reality

    The commoners thread: Discussing Ultima's "On the Many, Many Incoherences of the Tiering System"

    I mean another, related thing, yeah.
  5. Ultima_Reality

    The commoners thread: Discussing Ultima's "On the Many, Many Incoherences of the Tiering System"

    Depends on what the thing in question is. Generally, names alone tend to refer to things that have a bunch of differing views and models, so, in that case, additional context is needed to ascertain which version is being used. Yeah, that stuff is utter nonsense. These things are more or less...
  6. Ultima_Reality

    The commoners thread: Discussing Ultima's "On the Many, Many Incoherences of the Tiering System"

    The whole "That's NLF" deal got thrown out with the revisions. This stuff isn't really NLF at all, and nor is there any logical interpretation of them that lands lower. The example from inaccessible cardinals is making a demonstration about the old Tiering System, not the new one. The point is...
  7. Ultima_Reality

    The commoners thread: Discussing Ultima's "On the Many, Many Incoherences of the Tiering System"

    It's not exactly any more absurd than slapping Low 1-C into a character because of a statement like "There is an uncountably infinite number of universes, and I destroyed them all," or making a character High 1-A because of a statement involving inaccessible cardinals. The revisions really just...
  8. Ultima_Reality

    The commoners thread: Discussing Ultima's "On the Many, Many Incoherences of the Tiering System"

    I wouldn't really treat it as such. The term "Platonism" itself eventually just morphed into a signifier for general belief in mind-independent abstract objects that doesn't really attach itself to Plato's actual ontology. People who call themselves "Mathematical Platonists" often don't actually...
  9. Ultima_Reality

    The commoners thread: Discussing Ultima's "On the Many, Many Incoherences of the Tiering System"

    Has a nice ring to it.
  10. Ultima_Reality

    Revision about Duality

    While I agree that Nonduality is defined awfully at the moment, I'd rather bring that up as part of the ongoing Tiering System revisions, in some future time (Especially given this thread is pretty much unintelligible despite the points being somewhat valid). You mind if I close this?
  11. Ultima_Reality

    Gaea (marvel comics)

    I'm planning to deal with the Elder Gods (Gaea included) in a future revision, to be clear. Though, as it stands, I don't think the profile is very good at all, for reasons already noted.
  12. Ultima_Reality

    Real.

    Real.
  13. Ultima_Reality

    First of all about quantity, can inaccessible amount of baseline outerversal reach high...

    First of all about quantity, can inaccessible amount of baseline outerversal reach high outerversal? or would it still be baseline outerversal since it is still the same quality? It would remain baseline, yeah. I was thinking to myself about EMR (extended model realism) and apophatic theology...
  14. Ultima_Reality

    I mean, generally speaking, infinite-dimensional hilbert spaces are going to be just...

    I mean, generally speaking, infinite-dimensional hilbert spaces are going to be just mathematical models. They're really just convenient tools to do algebra with; so, in quantum mechanics you'll always see a system of x-many possible states being modelled as a space of x-many dimensions, each...
  15. Ultima_Reality

    You can ask them here.

    You can ask them here.
  16. Ultima_Reality

    New Tier 0 Clarifications

    The idea is pretty much that it can't exist as an "object among objects" or a "being among beings" at all; it doesn't exist inside a framework of differentiation and divisions, where it's separated from other things by some particularities and attributes that it has. It transcends such a...
  17. Ultima_Reality

    Removal of God of War's "Type 1 Concept Manipulation"

    Alright, so, I was told to read Grath's big post. Full disclosure: It's rather late here and I'm lazy, so I'll only read the other subsequent posts later. For this one, I'll just be focusing on the alleged crux of the evidence here. Right off the bat, I'll point out the part that concerns me...
  18. Ultima_Reality

    Depends entirely on the content of the actual question. Shoot.

    Depends entirely on the content of the actual question. Shoot.
  19. Ultima_Reality

    New Tier 0 Clarifications

    In this case, "transcending all qualities" is really just a provocative (Though ultimately accurate) way to say "It transcends all distinctions and divisions and oppositions between things." As in, it exceeds the differentiation between any plurality of things whatsoever and as such transcends...
  20. Ultima_Reality

    The commoners thread: Discussing Ultima's "On the Many, Many Incoherences of the Tiering System"

    Entirely out of convenience. I needed a name and that one worked, so.
  21. Ultima_Reality

    Tiering System Revisions: Tier 0

    Yes. And rewriting the explanation pages accordingly. I'm working on that as we speak.
  22. Ultima_Reality

    The commoners thread: Discussing Ultima's "On the Many, Many Incoherences of the Tiering System"

    Haven't heard that name in a while.
  23. Ultima_Reality

    Não recordo disso. Vou ver.

    Não recordo disso. Vou ver.
  24. Ultima_Reality

    The commoners thread: Discussing Ultima's "On the Many, Many Incoherences of the Tiering System"

  25. Ultima_Reality

    Dragonball: 1-B Timeline

    Parallel temporal dimensions don't actually net Tier 1. Higher temporal dimensions is what does. Same thing as the difference between a 2-dimensional object and two lines that just stand parallel to each other on a 2-D plane.
  26. Ultima_Reality

    The commoners thread: Discussing Ultima's "On the Many, Many Incoherences of the Tiering System"

    True. If there's a fight going on outside of the portal and somehow earthquakes from the outside are felt on the inside, for example, that's problematic. (Though it can be chalked up to PIS depending on how adamant the verse otherwise is about the realm's transcendence and the potential fewness...
  27. Ultima_Reality

    The commoners thread: Discussing Ultima's "On the Many, Many Incoherences of the Tiering System"

    That's not actually the argument. The point is less that and more "The building on Earth is a gateway to the higher realm and not the higher realm in-and-of-itself." If it actually was the whole realm somehow circumscribed inside of ordinary space, though, I obviously would agree. Not exactly...
  28. Ultima_Reality

    The commoners thread: Discussing Ultima's "On the Many, Many Incoherences of the Tiering System"

    As a serious answer: I don't believe the House of Ideas' claim to 1-A or higher is invalidated, no. I'm tired as shit right now, though, so more in-depth explanation ought to come later. (Hopefully you people at least realize that the "It's a building in Connecticut" point is really damn stupid...
  29. Ultima_Reality

    The commoners thread: Discussing Ultima's "On the Many, Many Incoherences of the Tiering System"

    9-A House of Ideas confirmed. Damn.
  30. Ultima_Reality

    Tiering System Revisions: Tier 0

    Depends. "Reality/Unreality" might very well not be a dichotomy that's actually indicative of power whatsoever. For instance, in DC, the Sphere of the Gods and its realms are referred to as "fictions" where the physical realm is reality, but the former are not really ontologically inferior to...
  31. Ultima_Reality

    Extended Modal Realism is pretty problematic because it's basically just fancy trivialism in its...

    Extended Modal Realism is pretty problematic because it's basically just fancy trivialism in its acceptance of all contradictory things as corresponding to "valid" states-of-affairs. I wouldn't tier it at all, myself, at least not in its full glory. If you water it down a bit it's probably just...
  32. Ultima_Reality

    Tiering System Revisions: Tier 0

    Either way: From what can be gathered, the margin of agreement-to-disagreement is 8 to 1, so far, and Qaws hasn't been around to this in a hot minute despite the recent ping. In my mind there is no necessity for further reinforcement, either, so, I'd say it's fine to call the wraps on this.
  33. Ultima_Reality

    Tiering System Revisions: Tier 0

    Pretty much, yeah.
  34. Ultima_Reality

    Tiering System Revisions: Tier 0

    There are different types of possibility that you can juggle up in metaphysics (Nomological, metaphysical and logical), so to qualify for High 1-A+ at all, I'd want a statement clarifying that the "Actualization of possibilities" in question specifically refers to logical possibility. So...
  35. Ultima_Reality

    Tiering System Revisions: Tier 0

    We commonly use "n-D" to indicate the dimensionality of characters, so extending the tiers to include "D" ends would probably be way too confusing. I have a fair few, more minimalistic, ideas of my own. Topic for the next thread, as said.
  36. Ultima_Reality

    Tiering System Revisions: Tier 0

    That is true, in a way. "High 1-A+ first type" and "High 1-A+ second type" are pretty closely related, but they're also distinct in that, as said, the latter is stronger than the former. If there was a character of the former type and a character of the latter type in the same verse, and then a...
  37. Ultima_Reality

    Tiering System Revisions: Tier 0

    Noted.
  38. Ultima_Reality

    Tiering System Revisions: Tier 0

    This can probably be clarified by elucidating the "ladder" going from the two types of High 1-A+ to Tier 0. Basically, I'd say: High 1-A+ (First type) = Character who can actualize arbitrarily large logical possibilities High 1-A+ (Second type) = Character who embodies all possibilities. 0 =...
  39. Ultima_Reality

    Thor Abstract Existence and Conceptual Manipulation

    The first paragraph just totally misses the point. This being that Ares embodies the concept of war, as an actual abstract universal, because Gods aren't just dudes arbitrarily claiming that a given facet of reality is their own. So Nate noting that this embodiment spans "every plane and every...
  40. Ultima_Reality

    Tiering System Revisions: Tier 0

    Noted.
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